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I am one of the biggest Towson Football fans around but this talk about going FBS is crazy. To put a competitive FBS football team on the field Towson would have to add 22 more full football scholarships, which at 20K a pop would be 440K. To remain compliant with Title IX at the 60/40 ratio another 35 full scholarships would have to be added for women, which is 700K with a combined new scholarship bill of $1,100,000, minimum.

As of today the highest priced football season ticket now at Towson is a Gold Seat, priced at $90. To be a FBS program you have to average 15,000 paid fans per game. Take out the 4,000 students who pay thru their student fees and that means you need to have 11,000 seats sold per game, which is just 181 seats under the current capacity of Unitas Stadium. So take the highest price that is paid now, $90, x the remaining attendance minimum balance needed, 11,000, and you get a gross of $990,000 in ticket sales if every ticket was sold at full price at the highest price that is currently offered.

So without adding a single new staff position for the football team which is expanding by 25%, your net financial yield is already 120K in the hole. And that is without accounting for football game guarantees, additional travel costs for all 19 sports for joining a new league for all sports (pick one from the following: Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA, The American). None of these leagues have major television deals or bowl revenues that net any substantial offsetting profits.

Towson has never sold 2,000 season tickets and has only one sellout football game in the 44 year history of the program. We can't even get our games on a radio station without paying them through the nose. We have had two winning seasons in a row and are 1-6 in games against FBS opponents.

Moving to FBS is athletics suicide for Towson in my mind. I'd rather play at a level where we can compete for a championship than go to a level where we will be doormats and never have the chance to be relevant.
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(09-04-2013 05:18 PM)TigerNation82 Wrote:  I am one of the biggest Towson Football fans around but this talk about going FBS is crazy. To put a competitive FBS football team on the field Towson would have to add 22 more full football scholarships, which at 20K a pop would be 440K. To remain compliant with Title IX at the 60/40 ratio another 35 full scholarships would have to be added for women, which is 700K with a combined new scholarship bill of $1,100,000, minimum.

As of today the highest priced football season ticket now at Towson is a Gold Seat, priced at $90. To be a FBS program you have to average 15,000 paid fans per game. Take out the 4,000 students who pay thru their student fees and that means you need to have 11,000 seats sold per game, which is just 181 seats under the current capacity of Unitas Stadium. So take the highest price that is paid now, $90, x the remaining attendance minimum balance needed, 11,000, and you get a gross of $990,000 in ticket sales if every ticket was sold at full price at the highest price that is currently offered.

So without adding a single new staff position for the football team which is expanding by 25%, your net financial yield is already 120K in the hole. And that is without accounting for football game guarantees, additional travel costs for all 19 sports for joining a new league for all sports (pick one from the following: Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA, The American). None of these leagues have major television deals or bowl revenues that net any substantial offsetting profits.

Towson has never sold 2,000 season tickets and has only one sellout football game in the 44 year history of the program. We can't even get our games on a radio station without paying them through the nose. We have had two winning seasons in a row and are 1-6 in games against FBS opponents.

Moving to FBS is athletics suicide for Towson in my mind. I'd rather play at a level where we can compete for a championship than go to a level where we will be doormats and never have the chance to be relevant.

So, you would rather Towson play Monmouth, Wagner, Lehigh and Elon while the good FCS schools have left or are about to move up? And doormat? Seriously? No one has suggested to move to a BCS conference, however, if you think we wouldn't be competitive in a mid level conference we must be watching two completely different teams over the past 3 years.

Good grief, that's the mindset that have kept us handcuffed for the last 25 years. An additional 5 football scholarships over what we are doing currently along with the women's equivalent would be offset by the increased payout we would receive from the FBS opponents. Financially, this would be neutral in the worst case scenario. if we were to get into what I would deem as the best option AAC, they receive Television payouts in the 1mill area per team and each fbs conference will receive playoff money with the new system. The move will pay for itself, I like how ODU is going about the transition.

Very disappointed in some of the aspirations of folks on these boards, I think an awfully lot of people are selling this school and program short. Reminds me of when I first moved to Texas and started attending Ranger games when Nolan Ryan took over as GM. Being an outsider I could see the level of talent this team and they were very good but the people that followed them for years we're so jaded and content with mediocrity they couldn't embrace what was happening and the team went to the World Series. Same thing happened the following year yet the same fans were in denial. It really took two years for people to acknowledge the talent and level of quality was real and just as good if not better than almost the entire league. It really seems like folks don't accept the fact that this team is as good as SMU, North Texas, Navy, UConn .....maybe you should talk to an LSU or UConn Fan or better yet an honest Maryland Fan that was at the game.

My aspirations are for this team to win every game and run the table in the playoffs that aren't televised for the most part, win the national championship which is played in a soccer stadium in Frisco Texas that no one cares about down here except the two fan bases that fly down for the game.

However, moving forward my aspirations are to play in a conference that is a step up and I have no reason to fear playing Navy, Temple, UConn or Maryland. The LSU game was the proving ground in my eyes and a seminal moment in the history of our program. UConn was a nice win but playing a physical team like LSU really was the test and did more for the psyche of this team, guess most folks are still not believing in this program. Disappointing to say the least.
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(09-04-2013 10:18 PM)LoneStar Wrote:  
(09-04-2013 05:18 PM)TigerNation82 Wrote:  I am one of the biggest Towson Football fans around but this talk about going FBS is crazy. To put a competitive FBS football team on the field Towson would have to add 22 more full football scholarships, which at 20K a pop would be 440K. To remain compliant with Title IX at the 60/40 ratio another 35 full scholarships would have to be added for women, which is 700K with a combined new scholarship bill of $1,100,000, minimum.

As of today the highest priced football season ticket now at Towson is a Gold Seat, priced at $90. To be a FBS program you have to average 15,000 paid fans per game. Take out the 4,000 students who pay thru their student fees and that means you need to have 11,000 seats sold per game, which is just 181 seats under the current capacity of Unitas Stadium. So take the highest price that is paid now, $90, x the remaining attendance minimum balance needed, 11,000, and you get a gross of $990,000 in ticket sales if every ticket was sold at full price at the highest price that is currently offered.

So without adding a single new staff position for the football team which is expanding by 25%, your net financial yield is already 120K in the hole. And that is without accounting for football game guarantees, additional travel costs for all 19 sports for joining a new league for all sports (pick one from the following: Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA, The American). None of these leagues have major television deals or bowl revenues that net any substantial offsetting profits.

Towson has never sold 2,000 season tickets and has only one sellout football game in the 44 year history of the program. We can't even get our games on a radio station without paying them through the nose. We have had two winning seasons in a row and are 1-6 in games against FBS opponents.

Moving to FBS is athletics suicide for Towson in my mind. I'd rather play at a level where we can compete for a championship than go to a level where we will be doormats and never have the chance to be relevant.

So, you would rather Towson play Monmouth, Wagner, Lehigh and Elon while the good FCS schools have left or are about to move up? And doormat? Seriously? No one has suggested to move to a BCS conference, however, if you think we wouldn't be competitive in a mid level conference we must be watching two completely different teams over the past 3 years.

Good grief, that's the mindset that have kept us handcuffed for the last 25 years. An additional 5 football scholarships over what we are doing currently along with the women's equivalent would be offset by the increased payout we would receive from the FBS opponents. Financially, this would be neutral in the worst case scenario. if we were to get into what I would deem as the best option AAC, they receive Television payouts in the 1mill area per team and each fbs conference will receive playoff money with the new system. The move will pay for itself, I like how ODU is going about the transition.

Very disappointed in some of the aspirations of folks on these boards, I think an awfully lot of people are selling this school and program short. Reminds me of when I first moved to Texas and started attending Ranger games when Nolan Ryan took over as GM. Being an outsider I could see the level of talent this team and they were very good but the people that followed them for years we're so jaded and content with mediocrity they couldn't embrace what was happening and the team went to the World Series. Same thing happened the following year yet the same fans were in denial. It really took two years for people to acknowledge the talent and level of quality was real and just as good if not better than almost the entire league. It really seems like folks don't accept the fact that this team is as good as SMU, North Texas, Navy, UConn .....maybe you should talk to an LSU or UConn Fan or better yet an honest Maryland Fan that was at the game.

My aspirations are for this team to win every game and run the table in the playoffs that aren't televised for the most part, win the national championship which is played in a soccer stadium in Frisco Texas that no one cares about down here except the two fan bases that fly down for the game.

However, moving forward my aspirations are to play in a conference that is a step up and I have no reason to fear playing Navy, Temple, UConn or Maryland. The LSU game was the proving ground in my eyes and a seminal moment in the history of our program. UConn was a nice win but playing a physical team like LSU really was the test and did more for the psyche of this team, guess most folks are still not believing in this program. Disappointing to say the least.

Couldn't have said it any better. Now is the time to capitalize on the winning and Ambrose who will be gone if are stuck in FCS. Nobody said it will be easy but everything we've done in the past when moving up a division has been wrong. A lot more work to be done to get to that point, especially off the field.
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(09-04-2013 10:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Tim Leonard wasn't hired for status quo

You think? Still have a long way to go to change certain attitudes on campus.
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(09-04-2013 10:33 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Tim Leonard wasn't hired for status quo


Agreed! How's the lake level down there?
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(09-04-2013 10:33 PM)math123 Wrote:  
(09-04-2013 10:18 PM)LoneStar Wrote:  
(09-04-2013 05:18 PM)TigerNation82 Wrote:  I am one of the biggest Towson Football fans around but this talk about going FBS is crazy. To put a competitive FBS football team on the field Towson would have to add 22 more full football scholarships, which at 20K a pop would be 440K. To remain compliant with Title IX at the 60/40 ratio another 35 full scholarships would have to be added for women, which is 700K with a combined new scholarship bill of $1,100,000, minimum.

As of today the highest priced football season ticket now at Towson is a Gold Seat, priced at $90. To be a FBS program you have to average 15,000 paid fans per game. Take out the 4,000 students who pay thru their student fees and that means you need to have 11,000 seats sold per game, which is just 181 seats under the current capacity of Unitas Stadium. So take the highest price that is paid now, $90, x the remaining attendance minimum balance needed, 11,000, and you get a gross of $990,000 in ticket sales if every ticket was sold at full price at the highest price that is currently offered.

So without adding a single new staff position for the football team which is expanding by 25%, your net financial yield is already 120K in the hole. And that is without accounting for football game guarantees, additional travel costs for all 19 sports for joining a new league for all sports (pick one from the following: Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA, The American). None of these leagues have major television deals or bowl revenues that net any substantial offsetting profits.

Towson has never sold 2,000 season tickets and has only one sellout football game in the 44 year history of the program. We can't even get our games on a radio station without paying them through the nose. We have had two winning seasons in a row and are 1-6 in games against FBS opponents.

Moving to FBS is athletics suicide for Towson in my mind. I'd rather play at a level where we can compete for a championship than go to a level where we will be doormats and never have the chance to be relevant.

So, you would rather Towson play Monmouth, Wagner, Lehigh and Elon while the good FCS schools have left or are about to move up? And doormat? Seriously? No one has suggested to move to a BCS conference, however, if you think we wouldn't be competitive in a mid level conference we must be watching two completely different teams over the past 3 years.

Good grief, that's the mindset that have kept us handcuffed for the last 25 years. An additional 5 football scholarships over what we are doing currently along with the women's equivalent would be offset by the increased payout we would receive from the FBS opponents. Financially, this would be neutral in the worst case scenario. if we were to get into what I would deem as the best option AAC, they receive Television payouts in the 1mill area per team and each fbs conference will receive playoff money with the new system. The move will pay for itself, I like how ODU is going about the transition.

Very disappointed in some of the aspirations of folks on these boards, I think an awfully lot of people are selling this school and program short. Reminds me of when I first moved to Texas and started attending Ranger games when Nolan Ryan took over as GM. Being an outsider I could see the level of talent this team and they were very good but the people that followed them for years we're so jaded and content with mediocrity they couldn't embrace what was happening and the team went to the World Series. Same thing happened the following year yet the same fans were in denial. It really took two years for people to acknowledge the talent and level of quality was real and just as good if not better than almost the entire league. It really seems like folks don't accept the fact that this team is as good as SMU, North Texas, Navy, UConn .....maybe you should talk to an LSU or UConn Fan or better yet an honest Maryland Fan that was at the game.

My aspirations are for this team to win every game and run the table in the playoffs that aren't televised for the most part, win the national championship which is played in a soccer stadium in Frisco Texas that no one cares about down here except the two fan bases that fly down for the game.

However, moving forward my aspirations are to play in a conference that is a step up and I have no reason to fear playing Navy, Temple, UConn or Maryland. The LSU game was the proving ground in my eyes and a seminal moment in the history of our program. UConn was a nice win but playing a physical team like LSU really was the test and did more for the psyche of this team, guess most folks are still not believing in this program. Disappointing to say the least.

Couldn't have said it any better. Now is the time to capitalize on the winning and Ambrose who will be gone if are stuck in FCS. Nobody said it will be easy but everything we've done in the past when moving up a division has been wrong. A lot more work to be done to get to that point, especially off the field.


Matt,

Yes, you're right no way Rob sticks around to play FCS football. However, a mid level FBS conference and building something that not only Towson but the Baltimore community embraces could be very rewarding. I can't see the Texas schools staying in the AAC for long, there's been talk about them moving into the Big 12.
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I applaud the lofty thoughts about the future and moving and all, but why don't we all just focus on the 2013 season and Holy Cross. Everyone is all giddy about the UConn win but that's over and we have to move on.

I totally disagree with the attitude that no one cares about winning an FCS National Title as we have a lot better chance of doing that as opposed to winning a title as a FBS program. Would you rat hero 10-2 as an FCS program or go 5-7 as an FBS program? What will students and alumni take more pride in, buy more tickets for? Conference moves at the high level are done as media rights are assigned in the Big 10, SEC, Big 12 PAC 12 and ACC for the next dozen years. The team we just beat, UConn, got left behind in the football scramble and they have a great basketball program that is now left in the dust of the American, which is really the old CUSA. CUSA is made up of old Sun Belt schools and former FCS schools who made a move hoping for riches. None of these leagues have big TV money and the pay games that are now out there are going away as more FBS programs are playing home and homes with each other for strength of schedule reasons. I have some business associates who are boosters at A&M and they are not going to play FCS or low level FBs programs any more after 2014.
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"Good grief, that's the mindset that have kept us handcuffed for the last 25 years. An additional 5 football scholarships over what we are doing currently along with the women's equivalent would be offset by the increased payout we would receive from the FBS opponents. Financially, this would be neutral in the worst case scenario. if we were to get into what I would deem as the best option AAC, they receive Television payouts in the 1mill area per team and each fbs conference will receive playoff money with the new system. The move will pay for itself, I like how ODU is going about the transition."

Matt, I am sorry that my mindset disappoints you, but an additional 5 scholarships from the men's side would not get it done. That's an additional 22 scholarships for men and another 35 for women. Add in more football staff, more office space for football, plus the addition of another women's team and the associated facilities for that, and you are talking an additional 2.5m easily, which is about a 10% increase in the annual athletics budget. You think that Towson is on the radar of the American Athletic Conference? I love my alma mater but you are smoking some serious smack to think that Towson is ready on any level to compete week to week and especially budget wise with teams in the American. Again, the numbers do not add up. By my last check Towson is not even raising 1m a year with the Tiger Club, and that number has been doubled in the last 3 years. Even if fundraising was tripled and all of these items were funded that we are discussing per football and the addition of a women's sport to balance out the equity numbers, that means that nothing from the additional fundraising would be going to fund the other sports other than football and this new women's team that would need to be added, most likely rowing.

At this point I am gung ho Towson everything, but let's try winning 1 playoff game in football and making a basketball postseason tournament for the first time in two decades before we try and join the UConn's, Houston's and South Florida's of the world on a weekly basis.

Leonard was not brought here to maintain status quo, but the reality is status quo should be looking at excellence across the board in all sports, not just lumping all of the money towards a college football team that at the FBS level would be a major league doormat without almost doubling the current budget.
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Good article here on the added costs for ODU to move to FBS

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/08/bigger-f...sports-odu

Although opulent by Football Championship Subdivision standards, the 58,000-square-foot L.R. Hill Sports Complex - built in 2008 for $17 million - is too small for a FBS program. Teams can have 22 more scholarship players in FBS and features larger support staffs than FCS teams.

Wilder noted that the team picture taken in 2009, before ODU's first season, had 10 coaches and support staff in it. On Friday, during media day, there were 30.

ODU added five staff members in the offseason, and there aren't enough offices for everyone. Six computers are shared by five graduate assistants and eight student assistants.

"We're not unlike a family that has a couple of kids and outgrows its three-bedroom ranch," Wilder said.

Broderick said many questions need to be answered before a timetable for constructing the football or softball stadiums is set.

"What is the optimum size? Will the foot print we've proposed work? How much is it going to cost and how are you going to pay for it? Those are big issues that have to be tackled," he said.

Officials haven't given cost estimates for a new stadium, but three C-USA schools recently opened new stadiums.

North Texas spent $79 million and Florida Atlantic $70 million on stadiums that seat about 30,000. Both opened three years ago. UNC Charlotte's $45 million, 15,000-seat stadium opens this season.

ODU officials pledged last year that student fees would not rise to pay for the $3 million-per-year cost to move to C-USA. But fees likely will increase some to help pay for a new stadium and to add women's sports teams, Selig said.

With students already paying nearly three-fourths of ODU's athletic budget through fees, Broderick said he's sensitive to the concerns of students and their parents.

"We will need to obviously find a plan that will address our concerns about costs, but also a plan that addresses if you want to build a new stadium, how do you do it?" he said.



My point is this, there are no big money donors at Towson now, and the big dollars from the corporate community in Baltimore are going to the World Champion Ravens and the O's, then the Terps. Without having a major champion for Towson, we are 4th best in the sports spend.

ODU is the only school in their market. They also have 17,000 season tickets to our 1,000. Big difference.

Towson also has the highest student fees in the University of Maryland System and just cut a sport because of budget. Seems like we should be taking care of the current landscape before looking to expand in such an expensive way. I'd also bet the Board of Regents would not allow for Towson to up student fees to move football to FBS when the State Government is bailing out the baseball and softball programs. That's not smart business or politics. The answer we would most likely get is that Maryland is the D1 program in the state and that Towson should go back into the weeds.

I hope I am wrong, but like you said, this just may be my abused mindset after watching bad sports and seeing bad supporrt here for the last 30+ years.
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(09-05-2013 12:21 PM)TigerNation82 Wrote:  "Good grief, that's the mindset that have kept us handcuffed for the last 25 years. An additional 5 football scholarships over what we are doing currently along with the women's equivalent would be offset by the increased payout we would receive from the FBS opponents. Financially, this would be neutral in the worst case scenario. if we were to get into what I would deem as the best option AAC, they receive Television payouts in the 1mill area per team and each fbs conference will receive playoff money with the new system. The move will pay for itself, I like how ODU is going about the transition."

Matt, I am sorry that my mindset disappoints you, but an additional 5 scholarships from the men's side would not get it done. That's an additional 22 scholarships for men and another 35 for women. Add in more football staff, more office space for football, plus the addition of another women's team and the associated facilities for that, and you are talking an additional 2.5m easily, which is about a 10% increase in the annual athletics budget. You think that Towson is on the radar of the American Athletic Conference? I love my alma mater but you are smoking some serious smack to think that Towson is ready on any level to compete week to week and especially budget wise with teams in the American. Again, the numbers do not add up. By my last check Towson is not even raising 1m a year with the Tiger Club, and that number has been doubled in the last 3 years. Even if fundraising was tripled and all of these items were funded that we are discussing per football and the addition of a women's sport to balance out the equity numbers, that means that nothing from the additional fundraising would be going to fund the other sports other than football and this new women's team that would need to be added, most likely rowing.

At this point I am gung ho Towson everything, but let's try winning 1 playoff game in football and making a basketball postseason tournament for the first time in two decades before we try and join the UConn's, Houston's and South Florida's of the world on a weekly basis.

Leonard was not brought here to maintain status quo, but the reality is status quo should be looking at excellence across the board in all sports, not just lumping all of the money towards a college football team that at the FBS level would be a major league doormat without almost doubling the current budget.

That wasn't me you're responding to. And while I agree with most of the sentiments, this isn't just jumping on the UConn bandwagon. It's more about the future landscape of FCS/FBS. Let's see how it pans out but we also need to be proactive and not reactive.
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(09-05-2013 12:21 PM)TigerNation82 Wrote:  "Good grief, that's the mindset that have kept us handcuffed for the last 25 years. An additional 5 football scholarships over what we are doing currently along with the women's equivalent would be offset by the increased payout we would receive from the FBS opponents. Financially, this would be neutral in the worst case scenario. if we were to get into what I would deem as the best option AAC, they receive Television payouts in the 1mill area per team and each fbs conference will receive playoff money with the new system. The move will pay for itself, I like how ODU is going about the transition."

Matt, I am sorry that my mindset disappoints you, but an additional 5 scholarships from the men's side would not get it done. That's an additional 22 scholarships for men and another 35 for women. Add in more football staff, more office space for football, plus the addition of another women's team and the associated facilities for that, and you are talking an additional 2.5m easily, which is about a 10% increase in the annual athletics budget. You think that Towson is on the radar of the American Athletic Conference? I love my alma mater but you are smoking some serious smack to think that Towson is ready on any level to compete week to week and especially budget wise with teams in the American. Again, the numbers do not add up. By my last check Towson is not even raising 1m a year with the Tiger Club, and that number has been doubled in the last 3 years. Even if fundraising was tripled and all of these items were funded that we are discussing per football and the addition of a women's sport to balance out the equity numbers, that means that nothing from the additional fundraising would be going to fund the other sports other than football and this new women's team that would need to be added, most likely rowing.

At this point I am gung ho Towson everything, but let's try winning 1 playoff game in football and making a basketball postseason tournament for the first time in two decades before we try and join the UConn's, Houston's and South Florida's of the world on a weekly basis.

Leonard was not brought here to maintain status quo, but the reality is status quo should be looking at excellence across the board in all sports, not just lumping all of the money towards a college football team that at the FBS level would be a major league doormat without almost doubling the current budget.

I'm not Matt,

Regarding the scholarships the extra 22 in total results in an annual increase of 5 per year on the men's side and of course you would have to add the women's component. This is not an additional 22 on top of what we are doing in one year. We don't have the issue of building a stadium since we have one downtown. Georgia State's lease of the Georgia Dome is very minimal, I believe it was in the 20k per game range. Do you not see the FCS is not sustainable at 63 scholarships, hence, the good schools are moving up to the second tier which essential is a morphing of the best 1aa teams and teams that have never had a football team but are in major citys just like Baltimore and lower D1 schools like Navy, Temple etc...

Corporations like Under Armor / Legg Mason/ Black and Decker are much more likely to donate and get suites in M&T Bank Stadium vs Navy than buying Gold Chairbacks at Unitas Stadium to watch St Francis. I will fly to see us play away games that are a quality opponent like the teams I have already mentioned but to see a St.Francis etc...no thanks.

Just an FYI on season tickets in Football crazed Texas, TCU only had sold 13,000 season tickets as recently as 2009.

That's fine 82.

I understand why you see things the way you do, the darn school didn't start doing things the right way until Caret arrived and you feel comfortable playing at this level.

I just see this level deteriorating and the d2 schools of 5-10 years ago moving up to this level and all the schools that were worth their salt have moved up or will leave this show soon since financially the model isn't sustainable without the bigger paydays. We've been 1-AA for 25 years or so but have only funded the programs the right way over the last few years. I don't see any rationale why Towson Football can't wrestle Baltimore away from the fans that root for College Park. And you can't do this by playing St.Francis or Morgan State, we just see things differently. I see this as an opportunity and the school as a sleeping giant! Years ago I'm sure there were fans that rooted for the Redskins in the Baltimore area and not the Ravens but now those same fans jumped on board with Baltimore. I look at College Park and Navy as being vulnerable to a Towson team if we make the jump.
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Watching the Fordham vs Temple game and from the looks of it Temple isn't as talented as Connecticut. No doubt in my mind that we can step in and compete with these teams right now! We"ll see how Navy vs Delaware goes, for those that think we would be a doormat at this level I would kindly ask to please attend a game and look at the program for what it is now not 5 years ago. Not expecting to ever be BCS and perfectly fine playing Temple and Navy every year in a tier 2. FBS Conference.
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I like seeing all of the students coming to games but I would really like seeing more alumni coming back and buying tickets. The students are paying student fees but not buying tickets. Homecoming needs to be a statement game about Football at Towson.
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(09-15-2013 12:44 PM)TigerNation82 Wrote:  I like seeing all of the students coming to games but I would really like seeing more alumni coming back and buying tickets. The students are paying student fees but not buying tickets. Homecoming needs to be a statement game about Football at Towson.


I agree, the local alumni need to jump on board but I also think playing this type of opponent hurts the gate. Think if we would of opened with Delaware, JMU or quality opponent we would of had seating issues.
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This type of opponent helps get the confidence up and builds momentum. The CAA is a tough league and you can't always play a top 25 team. Quality opponents should not be driving an alum's decision to attend or not. Jesus H Christ, how about coming out to see Towson. I fly in from Texas several times a year and some local jerkuses don't drag tail over the the U because we are playing what they consider a weak opponent. bull**** my man. We are Towson and really have no right to look down our nose at anyone. We we 1-10 three years ago so coming out to the U to see this team kick someone's ass and watch 28 score and set records is a privilege and an honor.
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(09-15-2013 11:02 PM)TowsonTexasTiger Wrote:  This type of opponent helps get the confidence up and builds momentum. The CAA is a tough league and you can't always play a top 25 team. Quality opponents should not be driving an alum's decision to attend or not. Jesus H Christ, how about coming out to see Towson. I fly in from Texas several times a year and some local jerkuses don't drag tail over the the U because we are playing what they consider a weak opponent. bull**** my man. We are Towson and really have no right to look down our nose at anyone. We we 1-10 three years ago so coming out to the U to see this team kick someone's ass and watch 28 score and set records is a privilege and an honor.

I disagree completely, playing LSU and doing well builds confidence not the other way around. And if you think the same lack of interest doesn't happen at all levels of college football when you playing a much weaker opponent you're not being honest. Things have changed in the last 3 years, we are finally fully funded and this should of been happening for the last 20 years. Yes, we are Towson and now we are on a level playing field and no longer handcuffed financially, not looking down on anyone when it's an obvious mismatch and the Vegas line was -35. I can't fault anyone for not travelling to see this particular game or traveling to Holy Cross. A local alum within an hour drive, well I can't defend that one but that wasn't the type of alum I was referring since quite a bit live in Jersey, PA and Virginia.
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