(09-04-2013 11:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  air force was founded in the 50s and played colorado for every year of their existence as a football school until the vietnam war. the vietnam war protests caused some pretty big issues between these two schools as boulder is an ultra liberal, anti war, hippie hotbed whereas colorado springs is a conservative, pro military, city.

people say that texas-aggie, pitt-psu, & ku-mizz are the worst rivalries to be lost in cfb, but I think that honor goes to AF/CU. it wasnt a lawsuit, conference realignment, or some sports beef that split these two schools but politics and a national tragedy. the colorado fanbase did some pretty nasty stuff to the visiting AF teams and its pretty shameful as a buff that we have that sort of history. id really like to see the hatchet buried and the rivalry renewed and let the past be the past. both schools are open to it but the issues relate more to a finding a schedule opening as the pac 12 has a 9 game schedule and AF has the MWC + army, navy, & ND

i can see how you would think 16 total games, havent played in 39 years.... this isnt a big rivalry, but sometimes theres a lot more to it than meets the eye

It may have been somewhat of a rivalry at one time, but it is obvious that it simply isn't important to either school anymore or else they would have played at least once in 39 years.

Clemson and Davidson used to be a big rivalry. Davidson was one of the few teams that would travel to tiny Calhoun, SC (the town changed it's name to Clemson in the 1940's) in the early days of our program. Then the schools drifted apart. After all this time it's no longer a rivalry.

(09-05-2013 10:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 11:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  air force was founded in the 50s and played colorado for every year of their existence as a football school until the vietnam war. the vietnam war protests caused some pretty big issues between these two schools as boulder is an ultra liberal, anti war, hippie hotbed whereas colorado springs is a conservative, pro military, city.

people say that texas-aggie, pitt-psu, & ku-mizz are the worst rivalries to be lost in cfb, but I think that honor goes to AF/CU. it wasnt a lawsuit, conference realignment, or some sports beef that split these two schools but politics and a national tragedy. the colorado fanbase did some pretty nasty stuff to the visiting AF teams and its pretty shameful as a buff that we have that sort of history. id really like to see the hatchet buried and the rivalry renewed and let the past be the past. both schools are open to it but the issues relate more to a finding a schedule opening as the pac 12 has a 9 game schedule and AF has the MWC + army, navy, & ND

i can see how you would think 16 total games, havent played in 39 years.... this isnt a big rivalry, but sometimes theres a lot more to it than meets the eye

It may have been somewhat of a rivalry at one time, but it is obvious that it simply isn't important to either school anymore or else they would have played at least once in 39 years.

Clemson and Davidson used to be a big rivalry. Davidson was one of the few teams that would travel to tiny Calhoun, SC (the town changed it's name to Clemson in the 1940's) in the early days of our program. Then the schools drifted apart. After all this time it's no longer a rivalry.

yeah but its kinda like wvu-marshall some schools have those inseparable bonds that cant be torn no matter how often they dont play.

if colorado & AF restarted their rivalry im sure it would be a yearly series. the issues with it not being reinstated today are more related to lingering bad blood & scheduling logistics.

our student body has a very large presence from colorado springs (its the 2nd biggest city in colorado) and from a fan standpoint its a no brainer giving the people down there a chance to see the buffs come to town every other year and vice versa. the geographical plus vast differences between the two schools will make it a good rivalry again. some things dont die out. 2 d1 schools with less than one and a half hrs of driving time between the two not playing in 40 years is ridiculous.

boulder still has a lot of lingering affects from the vietnam war and this rivalry not being played is a pretty big sign that we are not as far removed from those times as we would like.

and it was not "somewhat of a rivalry" back in the day. they kidnapped ralphie. probably one of the better college pranks we have seen

(09-05-2013 10:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 11:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  air force was founded in the 50s and played colorado for every year of their existence as a football school until the vietnam war. the vietnam war protests caused some pretty big issues between these two schools as boulder is an ultra liberal, anti war, hippie hotbed whereas colorado springs is a conservative, pro military, city.

people say that texas-aggie, pitt-psu, & ku-mizz are the worst rivalries to be lost in cfb, but I think that honor goes to AF/CU. it wasnt a lawsuit, conference realignment, or some sports beef that split these two schools but politics and a national tragedy. the colorado fanbase did some pretty nasty stuff to the visiting AF teams and its pretty shameful as a buff that we have that sort of history. id really like to see the hatchet buried and the rivalry renewed and let the past be the past. both schools are open to it but the issues relate more to a finding a schedule opening as the pac 12 has a 9 game schedule and AF has the MWC + army, navy, & ND

i can see how you would think 16 total games, havent played in 39 years.... this isnt a big rivalry, but sometimes theres a lot more to it than meets the eye

It may have been somewhat of a rivalry at one time, but it is obvious that it simply isn't important to either school anymore or else they would have played at least once in 39 years.

Clemson and Davidson used to be a big rivalry. Davidson was one of the few teams that would travel to tiny Calhoun, SC (the town changed it's name to Clemson in the 1940's) in the early days of our program. Then the schools drifted apart. After all this time it's no longer a rivalry.

Yeah, once again you and I agree. If a rivalry is important, a school will make time for it. Colorado and AF have just grown apart.

FCS schools shouldn't count towards bowl eligibility at all, and conferences should impose limits on one, MAYBE two, G5 schools per year. That's what I'd like to see.

(09-05-2013 11:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 10:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 11:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  air force was founded in the 50s and played colorado for every year of their existence as a football school until the vietnam war. the vietnam war protests caused some pretty big issues between these two schools as boulder is an ultra liberal, anti war, hippie hotbed whereas colorado springs is a conservative, pro military, city.

people say that texas-aggie, pitt-psu, & ku-mizz are the worst rivalries to be lost in cfb, but I think that honor goes to AF/CU. it wasnt a lawsuit, conference realignment, or some sports beef that split these two schools but politics and a national tragedy. the colorado fanbase did some pretty nasty stuff to the visiting AF teams and its pretty shameful as a buff that we have that sort of history. id really like to see the hatchet buried and the rivalry renewed and let the past be the past. both schools are open to it but the issues relate more to a finding a schedule opening as the pac 12 has a 9 game schedule and AF has the MWC + army, navy, & ND

i can see how you would think 16 total games, havent played in 39 years.... this isnt a big rivalry, but sometimes theres a lot more to it than meets the eye

It may have been somewhat of a rivalry at one time, but it is obvious that it simply isn't important to either school anymore or else they would have played at least once in 39 years.

Clemson and Davidson used to be a big rivalry. Davidson was one of the few teams that would travel to tiny Calhoun, SC (the town changed it's name to Clemson in the 1940's) in the early days of our program. Then the schools drifted apart. After all this time it's no longer a rivalry.

yeah but its kinda like wvu-marshall some schools have those inseparable bonds that cant be torn no matter how often they dont play.

if colorado & AF restarted their rivalry im sure it would be a yearly series. the issues with it not being reinstated today are more related to lingering bad blood & scheduling logistics.

our student body has a very large presence from colorado springs (its the 2nd biggest city in colorado) and from a fan standpoint its a no brainer giving the people down there a chance to see the buffs come to town every other year and vice versa. the geographical plus vast differences between the two schools will make it a good rivalry again. some things dont die out. 2 d1 schools with less than one and a half hrs of driving time between the two not playing in 40 years is ridiculous.

boulder still has a lot of lingering affects from the vietnam war and this rivalry not being played is a pretty big sign that we are not as far removed from those times as we would like.

and it was not "somewhat of a rivalry" back in the day. they kidnapped ralphie. probably one of the better college pranks we have seen

Ill feelings and outright hatred only intensify a rivalry. Clemson cadets marched on The Horshoe at South Carolina with swords and fixed bayonets in 1902.

http://www.thestate.com/2009/11/25/10427...table.html

Quote:Today's rivalry is nothing compared to the old days. When USC dealt the Tigers the only blemish to their record with a 12-6 victory, it was the first time since 1896 the Gamecocks could celebrate.

USC students paraded a transparency of a Gamecock crowing over a Tiger around the city. Clemson followers demanded it not be displayed in the Elk's parade the next day, but USC fans defied the city law enforcement's recommendation that the banner be banned.

Following the parade, Clemson cadets marched to the Sumter Street entrance of the school with fixed bayonets and swords drawn. A small group of USC students armed with pistols and clubs crouched down behind a brick wall prepared to repel the invaders.

But Christie Benet, a Columbia attorney and USC assistant coach, acted as a spokesman and reportedly offered to fight any person selected by Clemson to settle the dispute. Police and faculty arrived before blood was shed, and six students were selected to arbitrate the dispute, the transparency was burned and both sides cheered. It was six years before the schools met again.

(09-06-2013 02:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 11:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 10:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 11:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  air force was founded in the 50s and played colorado for every year of their existence as a football school until the vietnam war. the vietnam war protests caused some pretty big issues between these two schools as boulder is an ultra liberal, anti war, hippie hotbed whereas colorado springs is a conservative, pro military, city.

people say that texas-aggie, pitt-psu, & ku-mizz are the worst rivalries to be lost in cfb, but I think that honor goes to AF/CU. it wasnt a lawsuit, conference realignment, or some sports beef that split these two schools but politics and a national tragedy. the colorado fanbase did some pretty nasty stuff to the visiting AF teams and its pretty shameful as a buff that we have that sort of history. id really like to see the hatchet buried and the rivalry renewed and let the past be the past. both schools are open to it but the issues relate more to a finding a schedule opening as the pac 12 has a 9 game schedule and AF has the MWC + army, navy, & ND

i can see how you would think 16 total games, havent played in 39 years.... this isnt a big rivalry, but sometimes theres a lot more to it than meets the eye

It may have been somewhat of a rivalry at one time, but it is obvious that it simply isn't important to either school anymore or else they would have played at least once in 39 years.

Clemson and Davidson used to be a big rivalry. Davidson was one of the few teams that would travel to tiny Calhoun, SC (the town changed it's name to Clemson in the 1940's) in the early days of our program. Then the schools drifted apart. After all this time it's no longer a rivalry.

yeah but its kinda like wvu-marshall some schools have those inseparable bonds that cant be torn no matter how often they dont play.

if colorado & AF restarted their rivalry im sure it would be a yearly series. the issues with it not being reinstated today are more related to lingering bad blood & scheduling logistics.

our student body has a very large presence from colorado springs (its the 2nd biggest city in colorado) and from a fan standpoint its a no brainer giving the people down there a chance to see the buffs come to town every other year and vice versa. the geographical plus vast differences between the two schools will make it a good rivalry again. some things dont die out. 2 d1 schools with less than one and a half hrs of driving time between the two not playing in 40 years is ridiculous.

boulder still has a lot of lingering affects from the vietnam war and this rivalry not being played is a pretty big sign that we are not as far removed from those times as we would like.

and it was not "somewhat of a rivalry" back in the day. they kidnapped ralphie. probably one of the better college pranks we have seen

Ill feelings and outright hatred only intensify a rivalry. Clemson cadets marched on The Horshoe at South Carolina with swords and fixed bayonets in 1902.

http://www.thestate.com/2009/11/25/10427...table.html

Quote:Today's rivalry is nothing compared to the old days. When USC dealt the Tigers the only blemish to their record with a 12-6 victory, it was the first time since 1896 the Gamecocks could celebrate.

USC students paraded a transparency of a Gamecock crowing over a Tiger around the city. Clemson followers demanded it not be displayed in the Elk's parade the next day, but USC fans defied the city law enforcement's recommendation that the banner be banned.

Following the parade, Clemson cadets marched to the Sumter Street entrance of the school with fixed bayonets and swords drawn. A small group of USC students armed with pistols and clubs crouched down behind a brick wall prepared to repel the invaders.

But Christie Benet, a Columbia attorney and USC assistant coach, acted as a spokesman and reportedly offered to fight any person selected by Clemson to settle the dispute. Police and faculty arrived before blood was shed, and six students were selected to arbitrate the dispute, the transparency was burned and both sides cheered. It was six years before the schools met again.

The most underrated rivalry in college FB in my opinion. Most people don't understand the pure hatred that comes with great instate rivalries. ND/So Cal or Ohio St/Michigan is great, but after a loss you don't have to deal with opposing fans every single day for a whole year. In South Carolina, everyone is either a Clemson or USC fan and everyone has a side

Ok that South Carolina and Clemson story of the past is just pure crazy. Swords and Bayoneted rifles vs pistols and clubs. I can't even make a proper comedic comparison for that confrontation, it is just pure crazy.

Despite it being crazy, that is a Very interesting historical story.

(09-05-2013 05:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Adcorbett....why do you wish to wound me so deeply? Comparing me to buckaineer? Seriously...please, pull out the knife. I have never been anything but complimentary towards you on either board.

I am sorry. That was low. I just wanted to get your attention though

(09-05-2013 05:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  In regards to balancing? Every program has it's ups and downs. Balancing divisions based on current day performance, to me, is a bad idea. Balancing them based upon geography is a much better method, in my opinion, because it sets up your conference for the long run.

I agree with this. Balancing based on today is bad. But unbalanced leagues have also been what has lead to nearly every conference breakup that ever happened. Unbalanced divisions caused those on one side to think the other side was not pulling it's weight and they would be better off without them, on a per school basis. Thus it is very relevant. That was the point, or one of the points, I was making. When a conference gets too large, factions form. And in time, that usually causes problems.

The Big Ten is probably best equipped to handle this, due to the way the operate. But in time, too large of a conference has inherent stability problems, either with geographical, power, or loyalty factions (old B10 vs. new schools) that can cause problems that even truckloads of money can't cure. Then again, those same truckloads usually do cure all of the problems, so....

(09-06-2013 11:53 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok that South Carolina and Clemson story of the past is just pure crazy. Swords and Bayoneted rifles vs pistols and clubs. I can't even make a proper comedic comparison for that confrontation, it is just pure crazy.

Despite it being crazy, that is a Very interesting historical story.

Let me choose the battlefield, and I'll take pistols and clubs. Given the right battlefield, rifles can be made next to useless...

Well, back in the 1870's, Rutgers and Princeton would routinely steal a Revolutionary War cannon from each other. At one time, the towns of New Brunswick and Princeton more or less declared war on each other. Cooler heads did eventually prevail before things got out of hand. But as a Loyal Son Of Rutgers, I say Princeton stole Colonel Henry Rutgers cannon from us.

(09-06-2013 11:56 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 05:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Adcorbett....why do you wish to wound me so deeply? Comparing me to buckaineer? Seriously...please, pull out the knife. I have never been anything but complimentary towards you on either board.

I am sorry. That was low. I just wanted to get your attention though

(09-05-2013 05:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  In regards to balancing? Every program has it's ups and downs. Balancing divisions based on current day performance, to me, is a bad idea. Balancing them based upon geography is a much better method, in my opinion, because it sets up your conference for the long run.

I agree with this. Balancing based on today is bad. But unbalanced leagues have also been what has lead to nearly every conference breakup that ever happened. Unbalanced divisions caused those on one side to think the other side was not pulling it's weight and they would be better off without them, on a per school basis. Thus it is very relevant. That was the point, or one of the points, I was making. When a conference gets too large, factions form. And in time, that usually causes problems.

The Big Ten is probably best equipped to handle this, due to the way the operate. But in time, too large of a conference has inherent stability problems, either with geographical, power, or loyalty factions (old B10 vs. new schools) that can cause problems that even truckloads of money can't cure. Then again, those same truckloads usually do cure all of the problems, so....

I get where you are going with this but still, I'm just not a believer in the idea that such a break up of either the SEC or Big Ten or even the PAC is at all likely. The major difference is Network Contracts. The schools that "don't pull their weight" actually do pull their weight. The rules have changed.

I don't see Any possible geographical division set ups for the Big Ten or SEC that could break them apart. I could see some division set ups for a potential future PAC that could cause some consternation but I don't see them causing a break up of the PAC. That would be too costly for everyone.

I'm sorry but I really cant be sold on the idea that these three Major conferences can break apart. I don't see any decisions by them later on being looked at with regret. This process isn't happening at the speed of light. It is happening at the speed of a tortoise and that is due to due diligence.

What's funny about all of this is that Nebraska made this a trend because they couldn't win the Big12 anymore, so they left for the perceptively weaker B1G. Texas also had a lot to do with it. Then Texas A&M got pissed and left. And Colorado. Somehow, this all starts with Alabama whipping Texas in 2010 BCS Championship game (2009 season). Ever since they got beat, they have tried to make up for it with money. Not exactly sure what the point of the Longhorn Network is, but it completely ruined the Big12, then the MWC, then the BigEAST, then the ACC, but most of all, the traditions that have endured the parodies of college football. So thanks Texas. You screwed yourself, your conference, other conferences, traditional rivalries, and the BCS. The funniest part about it all is your biggest arch rival, the Texas A&M Aggies, benefited the most out of all of this turmoil. You screwed college football, Texas. I hope you're happy with what you've caused.

I'm aware that my opinion is all over the place, but that's how I saw it when all his started.