(09-07-2013 11:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-07-2013 08:32 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

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(09-07-2013 10:34 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 12:05 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  This was not a football issue. This was an administrative failure (above Joe Paterno). According to your logic, banning all PSU sports would also be a valid way to teach PSU to "get its priorities in order."

Now, some of you will circle back to NOTHING WAS ABOVE JOE PATERNO. We will then reply CITY AND STATE GOVERNMENTS WERE ABOVE JOE PATERNO. If they did nothing and/or failed, why is Joe held to a higher standard? The prosecution of Sandusky's case saw ZERO blame to point towards Paterno...but many of you--with nothing to gain except a lingering angst--want to keep the righteous indignation way up high.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinio....html?_r=0

This was not a football issue???

If Sandusky was not part of the football program, what was he doing there? If the head coach isn't responsible for members of the football program, who is?

Sandusky was a retired coach in 2001. As a retiree he had access to university facilities. Paterno was NOT responsible for him at that point in time. Noone knew what he had done in 1998 at the Alamo Bowl until the last year or so.

Paterno was the highest paid person at the university, probably the highest paid state employee. If he can't handle this situation and has to bump it upstairs, why is he being paid all that money?

The football coach is NOT the police chief. He had NO business handling it. It needed to go to those responsible for the police and for retiree access to facilities. He absolutely did the right thing-at first. It was later he failed when nothing was done.

Apparently you think, that football issues are only those related to team performance, student athletes and management of the program. I wonder if Paterno would have so circumscribed his job responsibilities when it came to negotiating his contract. To so limit his range of responsibilities and his level of authority totally contradicts the stature he was accorded both informally and formally within the institution. This is not an intramural coach we're talking about here. Or even the coach of a minor sport. The LAX coach at Duke was fired for far less even when the information at hand proved tone unreliable. The fact that Paterno had far greater standing within the PSU community doesn't mean that he should be held to less of a standard; it means that he should be held to a higher standard.

I hate these ridiculous emotional comments. There's no excuse for everyone's lack of action at Penn St. But blaming people for the wrong things is just silly. Unless you believe that Paterno was actively stopping things going forward, he was only guilty of a serious sin of omission, turning a blind eye to likely crimes. But he did everything he was legally required to. Morally is a totally different issue and Paterno understood that. Spanier, Curley and Schultz are the ones who may go to jail and they are the ones with the biggest failures. They are the ones who most likely failed their legal obligations in addition to possible perjury.

The fact that you dismiss my remarks as "emotional" shows how out of touch with reality you are. Any normal person is obviously "emotional" about child rape. The fact that you claim not to be speaks volumes about you.

The fact that Sandusky was "a retired coach" with privileges is irrelevant. He was part of Paterno's football family. He was only on campus because of his connection to the football program. To dismiss it as not football related shows once again that you are out of touch with reality and compartmentalizing events in a way that allows you to turn a blind eye to what happened and to what Paterno's responsibilities were to his subordinate, McQueery he witnessed the rape. That's not an emotional reaction, it's simply a fact that i know as someone who worked in the administration of a public institution.

I don't believe for a minute that Sandusky's activities in 1998 were not known to Paterno at the time of the McQueery report. You can believe what you want, but reading between the lines, it seems patently obvious to me thatthe 1998 incident and others earlier are precisely why Sandusky was "retired" when he was. It has "deal" written all over it.

Your claim that Paterno did everything he was required to do is what you want to believe. So you latch on to this latest quote. Louis Freeh had a different opinion, one that is every bit as legitimate. We'll see what happens when the lawsuit gets settled.

Your emotionalism is why your comments aren't worth taking seriously. You didn't even read my comments. I said the quote from the prosecutor was meaningless and shouldn't change anyone's opinion. He simply stated what everyone with any sense already knew. There was no evidence Paterno covered things up. That doesn't mean he didn't, but there is simply no evidence. You have to make assumptions about what really happened either way.

Your thinking Paterno didn't do everything he was required legally to do is emotional and without basis. Paterno did not witness the event. He was not responsible for the police. He was not responsible for Sandusky being on school property. That was a university policy. And as I said and your emotionalism blinds you, morally is a very different issue from legally.

The people who think everything was covered up in a conspiracy with the AD in 2000 are a whole lot more nuts than the students who were rioting. Paterno didn't control the county police. Did Paterno have suspicions and that is why Sandusky retired, maybe. But the prosecutor being killed or committing suicide because he was pressured to let Sandusky go? Get real.

Do you really believe he did everything possible in the as far as Sandusky is concerned? Either you are trolling or just can't get it.

Okay. This thread is going nowhere. Penn State fans can't see how molesting children is such a big deal, especially if it tarnishes the memory of JoePa or the football program...

The rest of us think anyone who defends JoePa or PSU are totally removed from reality...

Let's leave it at that...