(09-05-2013 09:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 06:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  CommieTom hates free speech when it does not fit his communist agenda. CommieTom is the lying propagandist. Pleased to meet you, clown.

Wrong as usual. I love free speech. It lets us all see that you're nothing but an ignorant old racist.

Hmmmm, everybody is always wrong but you........ Explain away, fool.

(09-05-2013 10:14 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 09:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 06:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  CommieTom hates free speech when it does not fit his communist agenda. CommieTom is the lying propagandist. Pleased to meet you, clown.

Wrong as usual. I love free speech. It lets us all see that you're nothing but an ignorant old racist.

Hmmmm, everybody is always wrong but you........ Explain away, fool.

Wrong again old man. I'm wrong lots of times. At least I have the stones to admit it, correct the record, and apologize.

Seems a lot of libs and progs aren't really on board with this whole Syria thing, either.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/insi...z2e1xRBgsa

The gas Syria has came from Iraq. The missing WMD's. You give these clowns months to react and it gets moved to Iran. Shame We have No leadership at the top anymore.

(09-06-2013 05:09 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The gas Syria has came from Iraq. The missing WMD's. You give these clowns months to react and it gets moved to Iran. Shame We have No leadership at the top anymore.

Iraq has had no production capacity since 1991. Syria has been importing precursors from Europe from the 1970s well into the 2000s and has significant chemical facilities to process them. Syria may have Iraq's missing WMDs, but those are likely to be insignificant in quality and volume compared to what they have acquired and processed independently.

If the US "leadership" acts like clowns, does nothing, and the WMDs get moved to Iran, that would be the best of all possible outcomes. Sadly, that won't happen (the second part, not the first, we've taken the circus on the road to the international venue).

(09-06-2013 05:09 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The gas Syria has came from Iraq. The missing WMD's. You give these clowns months to react and it gets moved to Iran. Shame We have No leadership at the top anymore.

Such claims are better debated with a source. Thanks.

(09-04-2013 08:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here is what I wonder about this. If these were Saddam's weapons that escaped to Syria, then it would figure that they would go to the side that Saddam favored. Based on today's alignment, that would be the rebels--Sunni, al-Qaeda, more so than Shia, Hezbollah. But this is the Middle East, where alliances turn on a dime. And al-Qaeda would clearly gas their own troops if it served their ulterior purposes.

What country would Saddam have had it moved to?
Turkey - Not likely
Iran - Not in this lifetime
Israel - Enough said
Jordan - Small possibility
Syria - Most likely by far.

(09-06-2013 09:36 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here is what I wonder about this. If these were Saddam's weapons that escaped to Syria, then it would figure that they would go to the side that Saddam favored. Based on today's alignment, that would be the rebels--Sunni, al-Qaeda, more so than Shia, Hezbollah. But this is the Middle East, where alliances turn on a dime. And al-Qaeda would clearly gas their own troops if it served their ulterior purposes.

What country would Saddam have had it moved to?
Turkey - Not likely
Iran - Not in this lifetime
Israel - Enough said
Jordan - Small possibility
Syria - Most likely by far.

At the time, where I thought they were ultimately headed was North Korea. There were several developments at the time to suggest that. Obviously that's one of those intelligence types of guesstimates, and I no longer have access to the kinds of information that one would need to confirm or deny. I still think that's a realistic possibility, for multiple reasons. There are certainly other possibilities, including that there were none, which I still tend to doubt.

Saddam wouldn't have shipped it by sea to be intercepted by our navy. Too many chances of losing it all.
Ground shipments, as close as can be, so he can get it back when it's convenient to protect himself against
his own countrymen, or Iran or Israel.

(09-06-2013 09:36 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  What country would Saddam have had it moved to?
Iran - Not in this lifetime

But, he did move planes to Iran (I think in 1991). And his lifetime has thankfully gone by the wayside...

(09-06-2013 09:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Saddam wouldn't have shipped it by sea to be intercepted by our navy. Too many chances of losing it all.
Ground shipments, as close as can be, so he can get it back when it's convenient to protect himself against
his own countrymen, or Iran or Israel.

I don't think it went by sea. And I think what went was more the capability, the equipment and the technical people, and that could have gone by air. As noted elsewhere, the gas itself would have a rather short shelf life. It could have gone to Syria. But would Sunni Saddam have sent it to Shia Assad or the Sunni rebels? I know alliances are short lived in the world of "my brother and I will fight my cousin." But that seems a little strange to me. Of course, in the end he would have shipped it anywhere that offered asylum. When you're staring death in the face, religious denominations suddenly mean a lot less. And it is the land of "my brother and I will fight my cousin."

We found virtually no evidence of chemical or biological weapons in Iraq. We found virtually no evidence of their being moved. We found virtually no evidence of their being destroyed, either. Would have been hard to move or destroy them without leaving some trail. And we know there were some at one time. So what happened? Did he use them all up and become unable to replace them? We have something to explain here, and the known facts provide no explanation. That's where intel starts going to work. I wish I still had access, I'd love to see the raw intel that we have on this. We'll never know for sure.

And I think the deal was a promise of asylum. Interestingly, just before Baghdad fell, the US Navy suddenly decided to run a massive training exercise in the Sea of Japan. That's one of several things that sort of begs for an explanation, and convincing the NK's not to accept Saddam could have been one reason.

I don't have any hard information. It's more looking at things that don't seem to fit and figuring out how and why they could have happened. That's the way you do good intel.

(09-06-2013 09:52 AM)I45owl Wrote:  But, he did move planes to Iran (I think in 1991).

Iran kept those planes.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/31/world/...afety.html