(09-01-2013 08:49 PM)EaglesDare Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 08:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:54 PM)EaglesDare Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:22 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The NDSU vs Kansas St thread was not intended to be a FCS thread or a game thread. It was simply an interesting storyline where the dominating 2 time defending FCS national champs were playing the defending Big 12 champs. Nothing more.

And there's your mistake, assuming that anyone here gives a rat's ass what the defending FCS champion does.

It ended up being a hell of a game, but the "interesting storyline" carries no weight here.

I will agree that it carries no weight with you. That is by no means a unanimous opinion on this board as has already been pointed out to you. It appears to be mostly your take on it and a few other oddly irrational posters. Seems strange that if what you believe is true that the rest of the nation sees it differently. The agenda here is being exposed.

What the hell are you talking about? The overwhelming majority of this board does not care at all about FCS championships, of that I can assure you.

I have said not on word about and FCS Championships. My thread was about upsets by FCS teams and the arguably narrowing gap between them and FBS. That was all. Do you read or think before you try to talk down to people. I don't need your assurances. If no one is interested in a thread it will die. But no, you have to take on yourself to decide who is interested in what. Apparently all it takes is someone who roots for a SB school to get his nose out joint and Bam! Doesn't seem to matter how nasty they are either. Other posters are allowed a lot of liberty on this board with the rules but not anyone who happens to be a GS fan. That is the agenda I am speaking of. It seems as we have to always be reminded that some other GS poster said something stupid and we have a small football mentality because we were FBS and therefore are unworthy. You moved this thread to the smack board and you still can't let it go. Are you obsessed with GS or something? Why are you and some others so threatened to even allow someone to mention FCS. Your reasoning is flawed. Your bias is exposed yet you still can't let it go.

I don't have the ability to move threads on this board pal. Just one of many assumptions you've made here friend.

(09-01-2013 08:59 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Good to know you are ok with upset in progress FCS over FBS threads. At least we can post those moving forward. I am actually surprised you support those.

Upset in progress threads have always been a part of this board, threads about FCS teams, regardless of how many titles they've won, have never been a part of this board.

(09-01-2013 09:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 08:49 PM)EaglesDare Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 08:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:54 PM)EaglesDare Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And there's your mistake, assuming that anyone here gives a rat's ass what the defending FCS champion does.

It ended up being a hell of a game, but the "interesting storyline" carries no weight here.

I will agree that it carries no weight with you. That is by no means a unanimous opinion on this board as has already been pointed out to you. It appears to be mostly your take on it and a few other oddly irrational posters. Seems strange that if what you believe is true that the rest of the nation sees it differently. The agenda here is being exposed.

What the hell are you talking about? The overwhelming majority of this board does not care at all about FCS championships, of that I can assure you.

I have said not on word about and FCS Championships. My thread was about upsets by FCS teams and the arguably narrowing gap between them and FBS. That was all. Do you read or think before you try to talk down to people. I don't need your assurances. If no one is interested in a thread it will die. But no, you have to take on yourself to decide who is interested in what. Apparently all it takes is someone who roots for a SB school to get his nose out joint and Bam! Doesn't seem to matter how nasty they are either. Other posters are allowed a lot of liberty on this board with the rules but not anyone who happens to be a GS fan. That is the agenda I am speaking of. It seems as we have to always be reminded that some other GS poster said something stupid and we have a small football mentality because we were FBS and therefore are unworthy. You moved this thread to the smack board and you still can't let it go. Are you obsessed with GS or something? Why are you and some others so threatened to even allow someone to mention FCS. Your reasoning is flawed. Your bias is exposed yet you still can't let it go.

I don't have the ability to move threads on this board pal. Just one of many assumptions you've made here friend.

Oh! you're a mod, thought you had the thunder. You're right I did assume that. Otherwise, just stating what I have observed, and still you cannot let it go.

(09-01-2013 09:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 08:49 PM)EaglesDare Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 08:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:54 PM)EaglesDare Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And there's your mistake, assuming that anyone here gives a rat's ass what the defending FCS champion does.

It ended up being a hell of a game, but the "interesting storyline" carries no weight here.

I will agree that it carries no weight with you. That is by no means a unanimous opinion on this board as has already been pointed out to you. It appears to be mostly your take on it and a few other oddly irrational posters. Seems strange that if what you believe is true that the rest of the nation sees it differently. The agenda here is being exposed.

What the hell are you talking about? The overwhelming majority of this board does not care at all about FCS championships, of that I can assure you.

I have said not on word about and FCS Championships. My thread was about upsets by FCS teams and the arguably narrowing gap between them and FBS. That was all. Do you read or think before you try to talk down to people. I don't need your assurances. If no one is interested in a thread it will die. But no, you have to take on yourself to decide who is interested in what. Apparently all it takes is someone who roots for a SB school to get his nose out joint and Bam! Doesn't seem to matter how nasty they are either. Other posters are allowed a lot of liberty on this board with the rules but not anyone who happens to be a GS fan. That is the agenda I am speaking of. It seems as we have to always be reminded that some other GS poster said something stupid and we have a small football mentality because we were FBS and therefore are unworthy. You moved this thread to the smack board and you still can't let it go. Are you obsessed with GS or something? Why are you and some others so threatened to even allow someone to mention FCS. Your reasoning is flawed. Your bias is exposed yet you still can't let it go.

I don't have the ability to move threads on this board pal. Just one of many assumptions you've made here friend.

You said yesterday that you review threads on the SBC, then PM the SBC mods on whether or not you think they are appropriate. So essentially you moderate two boards. I will say you are a dedicated person to do so much pro bono work.

Sun Belt boys know the score. The elite of the FCS are every bit as talented as the Sun Belt. Here is what you won't hear from them. Every single FCS vs FBS game is played at the FBS stadium. Big advantage. Every single one of those games at the FBS stadium uses that home team's conference officials. Monster advantage.

That doesn't happen in FBS vs FBS games.

(09-02-2013 05:50 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Sun Belt boys know the score. The elite of the FCS are every bit as talented as the Sun Belt. Here is what you won't hear from them. Every single FCS vs FBS game is played at the FBS stadium. Big advantage. Every single one of those games at the FBS stadium uses that home team's conference officials. Monster advantage.

That doesn't happen in FBS vs FBS games.

Good point on the officials as you can count on a few critical calls to go against you. In the Alabama game we had a 3rd down conversion pass that was ruled complete on the field overturned. No way that it was indisputable evidence on the replay.

And we know the obvious huge penalty in the UGA game last year. We were about to punch it in on 4th and 1 and the end of the half to take a 14-10 halftime lead, but the officials call a phantom chop block that made it 4th and 16 instead of 1st and goal from the 2.

They are having a hard time with the fact Ga So and App will be competing for conference championships from the beginning. They can talk or post till they are blue in the face about the superiority of the SB over FCS but those two school will not buy into the hype.

(09-02-2013 11:53 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  They are having a hard time with the fact Ga So and App will be competing for conference championships from the beginning. They can talk or post till they are blue in the face about the superiority of the SB over FCS but those two school will not buy into the hype.

But really though....

(09-02-2013 11:53 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  They are having a hard time with the fact Ga So and App will be competing for conference championships from the beginning. They can talk or post till they are blue in the face about the superiority of the SB over FCS but those two school will not buy into the hype.

Not to mention 4 of the conference games will be at our stadium where we have won 16 out of the last 17.

(09-02-2013 12:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-02-2013 11:53 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  They are having a hard time with the fact Ga So and App will be competing for conference championships from the beginning. They can talk or post till they are blue in the face about the superiority of the SB over FCS but those two school will not buy into the hype.

But really though....

Last time you used that picture was when I said NDSU would win the SBC. Based on your response, I am guessing you're predicting that the Cajuns will beat Kansas St by 3 touchdowns or more. Once again you will be wrong in your prediction.

Your delusions about top FCS teams are laughable and have no logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnY2BE3_u...ata_player

Think we can't compete? We should have won this game against basically the same team that knocked off ksu.

(09-01-2013 08:07 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 07:10 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  NDSU would win the SBC because they are a great team.

We'll see how well the SBC favorites ULL do at Kansas St next week. I will be pulling for ULL though.

Go ahead and get your excuse ready.

If Kansas State beats Louisiana all it means is NDSU was better than K State on the day they playef and the Cajuns were not. There is no transitive property of football.

We beat Georgia Tech last year in Atlanta by three touchdowns and they nearly won their division, we beat them far worse than NDSU beat K State and we didn't win the belt.

We still don't even really know what Kansas State is, all you want to focus on is the fact that they are defending Big XII champs, which sounds great until you realize they rank T-122nd in returning starters this year with 8. Among those not coming back were conference players of the year on both sides of the ball Colin Klein and Arthur Brown.

NDSU is a very talented and well coached team, but with 63 scholarships, they aren't winning any FBS league. They're absolutely good enough to beat every team in the Sun Belt in a one game setting(not saying that they would, just that they could) but they couldn't play 8 league games, along with likely at least two paycheck games and come away with the 7 or 8 wins they'd need to win the league. Flat out, not happening and if you truly believe that NDSU as presently constructed could play 12 FBS games this year(or at least 11 FBS/1 FCS) and win the Sun Belt, you know far less about football than you think, or you're severely undervaluing your new conference home, you're probably guilty of both to be honest.

(09-02-2013 01:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnY2BE3_u...ata_player

Think we can't compete? We should have won this game against basically the same team that knocked off ksu.

It's funny, that after all this, you think I have any interest in watching whatever that video may be(btw you can imbed YouTube videos with the tv icon).

For one thing, you didn't beat them did you? There are no pictures(or videos), stories or asterisks in the record books. I couldn't care less what happened between you and NDSU last year if I tried, the game is beyond inconsequential to the argument because your argument is based around the ridiculous notion that because NDSU beat 8 starters off last year's Big XII champion, that they could win the Belt.

You and App will both compete well in the Sun Belt right away, didnt say you won't be competitive, but I'll be surprised if either of you finish in the top 4 in 2014, I'd be shocked if you both do.

(09-02-2013 02:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  You need to read up on what transitive property means as you obviously have no clue based on your explanation. Do your homework and then re-post.

What we are talking about here is NDSU playing Kansas st and the VERY next week ULL plaing the same exact team at the same location. That is not the transitive property.

Do my homework? Okay pal, let me break it down for you.(I'll do my best to use small words)

The transitive property states that if A=B and B=C than A=C. It also states that if A>B and B>C than A>C.

You're saying that NDSU(A) beat K State(B) so if K State(B) beats Louisiana(C ) than NDSU(A) would beat Louisiana(C ).

That is the transitive property of football you are basing your argument around. There are plenty of examples of team A beating team B, team B beating team C, and team C beating team A, which is why there is no transitive property of football.

What's really crazy is that you're extrapolating that to suggest that NDSU would win the Sun Belt based on what K State did last year and what prognosticators are picking Louisiana to do this year. You are beyond grasping at straws to somehow back up your claim when it's built entirely on faulty logic and assumptions(and the transitive property).

And I'm the clueless one...

Neutral opinion inbound: I feel like there was a severe overreaction to this thread. I detected no snark from the OP, just a legitimate inquiry about top-tier FCS vs FBS perspective. One would have thought that the guy was pimping the FCS and slandering the SBC with the venomous responses it got.

Another thing in his defense, any sort of comparison of the SBC or the other GO5 conferences to the upper echelon of the FCS is met with ungoldy amounts of anti-FBS kooliad drinking and bull **** from the rubes over on AGS. I guess there really isn't a forum available where people can discuss these comparisons objectively...

(09-02-2013 06:24 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Neutral opinion inbound: I feel like there was a severe overreaction to this thread. I detected no snark from the OP, just a legitimate inquiry about top-tier FCS vs FBS perspective. One would have thought that the guy was pimping the FCS and slandering the SBC with the venomous responses it got.

Another thing in his defense, any sort of comparison of the SBC or the other GO5 conferences to the upper echelon of the FCS is met with ungoldy amounts of anti-FBS kooliad drinking and bull **** from the rubes over on AGS. I guess there really isn't a forum available where people can discuss these comparisons objectively...

I think the problem is that those making the argument about the gap being smaller are taking a handful of games a year out of the what? nearly 100 games between FCS/FBS, and trying to draw a conclusion.

Again, take a look at the past 10-20 years of games between FCS/FBS... Pick any one team from FCS and show me a winning record. I think I'm fairly safe in saying you won't find one.

FCS wins against FBS teams will happen. It's the nature of the game. Is it the norm? Not hardly.

My only issue with the topic is trying to extrapolate large scale results over such a small sample size.

App's win over Michigan was honestly the second most impressive football thing I've ever witnessed. It was MONUMENTAL. But I think most App fans would agree that if that game was played 10 times, you wouldn't split the series. You guys caught lightning in a bottle and whipped Michigan that day, but it doesn't mean it would happen over a whole season.

Not counting GEorgia State, there were 28 FBS vs FCS games. They won seven. A winning percentage of .250.

(09-02-2013 08:48 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Not counting GEorgia State, there were 28 FBS vs FCS games. They won seven. A winning percentage of .250.

That was this past weekend. This coming weekend (and probably the weekend after that), there will be more.

I feel safe in saying that the winning percentage of .250 will fall as more games are played.

(09-02-2013 10:32 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(09-02-2013 08:48 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Not counting GEorgia State, there were 28 FBS vs FCS games. They won seven. A winning percentage of .250.

That was this past weekend. This coming weekend (and probably the weekend after that), there will be more.

I feel safe in saying that the winning percentage of .250 will fall as more games are played.

Significantly so, there may be as many or fewer FCS wins the rest of the way as there wwere in opening weekend.

(09-02-2013 12:50 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(09-02-2013 12:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-02-2013 11:53 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  They are having a hard time with the fact Ga So and App will be competing for conference championships from the beginning. They can talk or post till they are blue in the face about the superiority of the SB over FCS but those two school will not buy into the hype.

But really though....

Last time you used that picture was when I said NDSU would win the SBC. Based on your response, I am guessing you're predicting that the Cajuns will beat Kansas St by 3 touchdowns or more. Once again you will be wrong in your prediction.

Your delusions about top FCS teams are laughable and have no logic.

Going to be very funny when they get run out of the stadium.