(09-01-2013 12:10 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 11:53 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 11:29 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  How is NIU a bad loss? They were a BCS team last season and were only a 3 point dog.

Really? They have a tradition of excellence? Significantly better than Temple's They get spanked in the 2012 BCS game, give up 40 points to Army in 2012 and all of a sudden they should be beating Iowa on the road in 2013? They were a 3point dog Who'd they beat and in what decisive manner have they beat them? They were 12-2 last season Why didn't The American go after them then? They're out of footprint and fairly removed from Chicago.

Honestly, if I'm a fan of a P5 school, I can handle a loss to NIU much better than I can one to lowly Temple.

Temple's only success came when they played in the lowly MAC and briefly had a top coach in Al Golden. If NIU's success is measured because of winning in the MAC then they have set low goals for success and will never move forward. NIU is a poor man's version of Boise State except Boise actually schedules tough OOC teams to boost their recognition. At least Temple has the guts to schedules the likes of Penn State and ND OOC.

(09-02-2013 09:37 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 12:10 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 11:53 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 11:29 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  How is NIU a bad loss? They were a BCS team last season and were only a 3 point dog.

Really? They have a tradition of excellence? Significantly better than Temple's They get spanked in the 2012 BCS game, give up 40 points to Army in 2012 and all of a sudden they should be beating Iowa on the road in 2013? They were a 3point dog Who'd they beat and in what decisive manner have they beat them? They were 12-2 last season Why didn't The American go after them then? They're out of footprint and fairly removed from Chicago.

Honestly, if I'm a fan of a P5 school, I can handle a loss to NIU much better than I can one to lowly Temple.

Temple's only success came when they played in the lowly MAC and briefly had a top coach in Al Golden. If NIU's success is measured because of winning in the MAC then they have set low goals for success and will never move forward. NIU is a poor man's version of Boise State except Boise actually schedules tough OOC teams to boost their recognition. At least Temple has the guts to schedules the likes of Penn State and ND OOC.

The MAC, which you never won and consistently lost to the best teams while playing in the weaker East division.

Guts? How do you think Penn State and ND look at an opponent like Temple on their schedule?

NIU has played Ohio State (playing them again in 2015), Michigan, Wisconsin (multiple times), Tennessee, etc. in the last eight years.

(09-02-2013 05:03 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  The MAC, which you never won and consistently lost to the best teams while playing in the weaker East division.

Guts? How do you think Penn State and ND look at an opponent like Temple on their schedule?

NIU has played Ohio State (playing them again in 2015), Michigan, Wisconsin (multiple times), Tennessee, etc. in the last eight years.

I never understood arguments using the word "You" as if describing I actually play for the team I root for. Sure at one time I had the size (6'6", 266 lbs.) and strength (deadlifted near 500 lbs.) to play for Temple but I attended PSU and didn't play for them either.

Back to NIU. In 2007 they had 10 losses while playing in the MAC and 2008 they had 7 losses. In 2011 thery lost to Wisconsin 49 to 7, not exactly scaring them. In 2009 they played much better to the unranked Wisconsin team but still lost.

NUI has had some success prior to the flops of the 2007 and 2008 seasons and after those seasons but let's not get carried away with their success as it's not overwhelming. They NEVER remotely had success against a top team, one that finished a season in the top 10.

Regardless of Temple's success or failure, I'll root for them but will never wager on any team.

(09-02-2013 07:25 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-02-2013 05:03 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  The MAC, which you never won and consistently lost to the best teams while playing in the weaker East division.

Guts? How do you think Penn State and ND look at an opponent like Temple on their schedule?

NIU has played Ohio State (playing them again in 2015), Michigan, Wisconsin (multiple times), Tennessee, etc. in the last eight years.

I never understood arguments using the word "You" as if describing I actually play for the team I root for. Sure at one time I had the size (6'6", 266 lbs.) and strength (deadlifted near 500 lbs.) to play for Temple but I attended PSU and didn't play for them either.

Pointless tangent, but whatever...

(09-02-2013 07:25 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Back to NIU. In 2007 they had 10 losses while playing in the MAC and 2008 they had 7 losses. In 2011 thery lost to Wisconsin 49 to 7, not exactly scaring them. In 2009 they played much better to the unranked Wisconsin team but still lost.

NUI has had some success prior to the flops of the 2007 and 2008 seasons and after those seasons but let's not get carried away with their success as it's not overwhelming. They NEVER remotely had success against a top team, one that finished a season in the top 10.

I see what you did there, you like to pick and choose. Yes, in 2007 we were bad due to losing a lot of players to injury. But that season was a blip for us where that is the norm for Temple.

We beat Maryland in 2003 and i believe they finished 15th in the nation that season. If you don't respect us or think much of our program then i can only imagine what that says about Temple because they are a LONG way from being in the same realm.

(09-02-2013 07:25 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I never understood arguments using the word "You" as if describing I actually play for the team I root for.
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That's always been bewildering to me also. It's like I/you/any of us are personally responsible for losing games, counting and verifying attendance, the public conduct of student athletes, getting athletes to class, and my personal favorite; responsible for knucklehead posters who happen to be fans of the same program that I am. :)

(09-02-2013 09:38 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I see what you did there, you like to pick and choose. Yes, in 2007 we were bad due to losing a lot of players to injury. But that season was a blip for us where that is the norm for Temple.

We beat Maryland in 2003 and i believe they finished 15th in the nation that season. If you don't respect us or think much of our program then i can only imagine what that says about Temple because they are a LONG way from being in the same realm.

Apparently NIU fans can't comprehend what they read. I root for Temple but graduated from Penn State, a team that has won TWO national Championships and been undefeated 5 times. Regardless, I didn't play college football, so it's a mute point.

Temple, on the other hand, played so poorly and had attendance so poorly, that they got banished to the lowly MAC. NIU doesn't even get a sniff at any BCS conference including the then Big East or now AAC.

Since you use the word "We" when describing beating Maryland, what position did you play that year? Or were you old enough to shave yet because you certainly sound immature?

(09-03-2013 06:38 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-02-2013 09:38 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I see what you did there, you like to pick and choose. Yes, in 2007 we were bad due to losing a lot of players to injury. But that season was a blip for us where that is the norm for Temple.

We beat Maryland in 2003 and i believe they finished 15th in the nation that season. If you don't respect us or think much of our program then i can only imagine what that says about Temple because they are a LONG way from being in the same realm.

Apparently NIU fans can't comprehend what they read. I root for Temple but graduated from Penn State, a team that has won TWO national Championships and been undefeated 5 times. Regardless, I didn't play college football, so it's a mute point.

Temple, on the other hand, played so poorly and had attendance so poorly, that they got banished to the lowly MAC. NIU doesn't even get a sniff at any BCS conference including the then Big East or now AAC.

Since you use the word "We" when describing beating Maryland, what position did you play that year? Or were you old enough to shave yet because you certainly sound immature?

Your arguments are all over the place. You can't refute the facts so instead you want to argue semantics over the use of "we" and "you".

Have a nice day and let me know when Temple has done anything worth of note in football.

(09-02-2013 08:13 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 10:20 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(08-31-2013 10:59 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  There will be ZERO undefeated conferences at the end of tonight.

Bad losses by relevant conferences:

B!G has loss to Northern Illinois
SEC has loss to Western Kentucky
B12 has losses to Northern Iowa and North Dakota State
PAC 12 has loss to Eastern Washington
MWC has loss to Eastern Illinois

Notice that each bad loss comes at the expense of unusual directionally named teams. The ACC had two losses but neither was a bad loss (games still not complete)

Directional teams? Do you mean like Southern Cal or Southern Miss or Central Florida or South Florida or East Carolina or Northern Illinois?

Yes, except for Southern Cal.

Its a major program with a directional name.

This conference doesnt need to be making fun of directional schools.

(09-03-2013 07:56 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Your arguments are all over the place. You can't refute the facts so instead you want to argue semantics over the use of "we" and "you".

Have a nice day and let me know when Temple has done anything worth of note in football.

When facts are ever presented I'll let you know. You have a nice day as well.

(09-03-2013 09:52 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  This conference doesnt need to be making fun of directional schools.

I agree. I never understand some people's bad-mouthing of "directional schools". As noted, the University of Southern California is an "unusual directionally named team" per the OP. Anyone who loses to them must suck.

Would Northern Illinois have a better reputation among some of these college football "fans" if they were called the University of DeKalb? If so, why? Why do some people around here think being named after your city or town (Pittsburgh, Louisville, etc) makes your name "ok", but being named after a whole region of your state is bad? To me, being named after your city is more "small time" compared to being named after a region.

There are plenty of schools named after cities that don't have great football teams or aren't in power conferences. Why don't we have posts about schools losing to "city teams" when some P5 school loses to Troy, Fresno St, San Jose St, Toldeo, Boise St, Bowling Green, etc, etc.

Names are just names. Individual schools should be judged on their own merits.

Being a school named "<State name> State" or "University of <State name>" doesn't mean you are power team (Arkansas State, Idaho, Illinois State, Missouri State, Montana, Tennessee State, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine, Wyoming, Montana State, Alabama State, etc)

Being a "unusual directionally named team" (whatever that is supposed to mean) doesn't mean you suck.

(09-01-2013 05:51 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  North Dakota State is not a directional school. Just sayin' . . .

I read this whole thread and this is the one post that makes the most sense

(09-01-2013 10:20 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Directional teams? Do you mean like Southern Cal or Southern Miss or Central Florida or South Florida or East Carolina or Northern Illinois?

All are directional teams with the exception of USC. The term usually is reserved for public, non-flagship state schools with a direction in their name.

Just to clarify as the OP, the thread was started as a spoof in that the teams mentioned are not the names of teams that are expected to beat P5 teams. I had no idea that people on this board lack a sense of humor.

Regardless, the B!G fans will always call the NIU (MAC team) loss a bad loss for the conference, one that may/will hurt Ohio States SOS in hopes for a NC game.