Win at all costs. Do anything to keep your star player on the field. Too bad somebody didn't have the courage to sit this guy out long ago...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...re-arrest/

Can't say I'm surprised. *** is scum

ohio st. HC...perfect fit

I will wait until the full article comes out before reaching conclusions. Who are the sources etc.

Here's the full article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-...the-huddle

Virtually all of the quotes are not sourced?

So Urban calls out some recent actions done by some down in Florida and in turn this coincidentally comes out.

What an ugly game all of these folks are playing. This article, if true, is just the very tip of the iceberg.

You folks really think Urban is the only guy that would do these things in those situations? By no means am I defending the guy if this is true and in fact if it is....there may be some legal ramifications if it is. If it isn't then the magazine that printed this may very well be facing some litigation of it's own soon. This is a huge statement to be made at this time with that court case going on.

Weird how all things like this manage to never come up until just before the season...

Also, the Stones's article does not name Urban. It just brushes across the topic. That NBC writer is going that extra mile to make that connection. Attributing it to the original article isn't exactly truthful although one would generally assume Urban would have had to know about this. Whether or not his word would be final on it or if there might be others above him telling him to not do anything, who knows.

Quote:Since 2007, he’s been charged with, or linked to, the shootings of six people in four incidents. Three of the victims were gruesomely murdered. One survivor, a former friend named Alexander Bradley, has had multiple operations and lost his right eye. The other two survivors were shot in their car outside a Gainesville, Florida, bar after an altercation involving Hernandez and two of his teammates his freshman year at the University of Florida. While in Gainesville, he sucker-punched a guy and shattered the fellow’s eardrum, and reportedly failed multiple drug tests, though he was suspended only once for those offenses.

(08-28-2013 01:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Also, the Stones's article does not name Urban. It just brushes across the topic. That NBC writer is going that extra mile to make that connection. Attributing it to the original article isn't exactly truthful although one would generally assume Urban would have had to know about this. Whether or not his word would be final on it or if there might be others above him telling him to not do anything, who knows.

Quote:Since 2007, he’s been charged with, or linked to, the shootings of six people in four incidents. Three of the victims were gruesomely murdered. One survivor, a former friend named Alexander Bradley, has had multiple operations and lost his right eye. The other two survivors were shot in their car outside a Gainesville, Florida, bar after an altercation involving Hernandez and two of his teammates his freshman year at the University of Florida. While in Gainesville, he sucker-punched a guy and shattered the fellow’s eardrum, and reportedly failed multiple drug tests, though he was suspended only once for those offenses.

I'm not a fan of Urban Meyer, but the article seems to point to more of a football culture issue at UF than it does to Urban in particular. It reminds me alot of the issues that took place at Penn State. The most alarming part of the article to me is the actions of the Gainesville PD and DA:

"The matter seems to have been settled quietly out of court, which was fine with Gainesville cops and the DA. They treated the punch-out as a juvie offense, giving Hernandez a deferred prosecution on the hush."

"The Pounceys were questioned as witnesses to the crime, but Hernandez invoked his right to counsel and never gave a statement, most odd since he was also called as a witness. No charges have ever been filed, and the case is still open. Again, he walked away unscathed: He wasn’t even named in the police report."

(08-28-2013 01:41 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Also, the Stones's article does not name Urban. It just brushes across the topic. That NBC writer is going that extra mile to make that connection. Attributing it to the original article isn't exactly truthful although one would generally assume Urban would have had to know about this. Whether or not his word would be final on it or if there might be others above him telling him to not do anything, who knows.

Quote:Since 2007, he’s been charged with, or linked to, the shootings of six people in four incidents. Three of the victims were gruesomely murdered. One survivor, a former friend named Alexander Bradley, has had multiple operations and lost his right eye. The other two survivors were shot in their car outside a Gainesville, Florida, bar after an altercation involving Hernandez and two of his teammates his freshman year at the University of Florida. While in Gainesville, he sucker-punched a guy and shattered the fellow’s eardrum, and reportedly failed multiple drug tests, though he was suspended only once for those offenses.

I'm not a fan of Urban Meyer, but the article seems to point to more of a football culture issue at UF than it does to Urban in particular. It reminds me alot of the issues that took place at Penn State. The most alarming part of the article to me is the actions of the Gainesville PD and DA:

"The matter seems to have been settled quietly out of court, which was fine with Gainesville cops and the DA. They treated the punch-out as a juvie offense, giving Hernandez a deferred prosecution on the hush."

"The Pounceys were questioned as witnesses to the crime, but Hernandez invoked his right to counsel and never gave a statement, most odd since he was also called as a witness. No charges have ever been filed, and the case is still open. Again, he walked away unscathed: He wasn’t even named in the police report."

Definitely seems like a much bigger issue than what a head coach could do by himself. If anything, this all could have been done without him if the Police were the ones scrubbing this. Big time Gator fans on the force in Gainesville?

Hernandez played at the same time as Tebow correct?

(08-28-2013 01:41 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  I'm not a fan of Urban Meyer, but the article seems to point to more of a football culture issue at UF than it does to Urban in particular.

True, but that is a culture in which Urban Meyer was very much at home, and one which he helped to perpetuate (he was not some graduate assistant), and was rewarded handsomely for doing so.

The people who run the NFL and their "college" stud-farms (like the ones in Gainesville FL and Columbus OH) have made billions of dollars by harnessing (sort of) the anti-social tendencies and extreme violence of young men like Aaron Hernandez. As the full life-story of this 23-year-old man unfolds in the coming weeks and months, several of those people will make pious statements to the media, declaring (in so many words) that they had no idea he was the kind of person to get arrested for murder. When those statements are made, I hope there will be some loud voices off-stage screaming "BULLSH*T!" at the top of their lungs. Karma demands no less.

(08-28-2013 12:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So Urban calls out some recent actions done by some down in Florida and in turn this coincidentally comes out.

What an ugly game all of these folks are playing. This article, if true, is just the very tip of the iceberg.

You folks really think Urban is the only guy that would do these things in those situations? By no means am I defending the guy if this is true and in fact if it is....there may be some legal ramifications if it is. If it isn't then the magazine that printed this may very well be facing some litigation of it's own soon. This is a huge statement to be made at this time with that court case going on.

Cover up for a player involved in a drive-by shooting and could potentially turn into an attempted murder case? Yeah, I think he might be the only one.

(08-29-2013 09:54 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 12:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So Urban calls out some recent actions done by some down in Florida and in turn this coincidentally comes out.

What an ugly game all of these folks are playing. This article, if true, is just the very tip of the iceberg.

You folks really think Urban is the only guy that would do these things in those situations? By no means am I defending the guy if this is true and in fact if it is....there may be some legal ramifications if it is. If it isn't then the magazine that printed this may very well be facing some litigation of it's own soon. This is a huge statement to be made at this time with that court case going on.

Cover up for a player involved in a drive-by shooting and could potentially turn into an attempted murder case? Yeah, I think he might be the only one.

It would take a whole lot more than Urban to do this and if you really think Urban is that much dirtier than most other college football coaches then you really aren't paying attention. Did you see Sumlin squirming on the stand? Hell, I am not even sure where Urban would stand in terms of ranking the dirtiest coaches of all time in the SEC, let alone in the country.

He just seems to be the guy everyone is looking at due to the actions of Hernandez. There have been plenty of other crimes done by college football guys, especially alleged actions that in the end couldn't be proven.

(08-29-2013 10:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 09:54 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 12:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So Urban calls out some recent actions done by some down in Florida and in turn this coincidentally comes out.

What an ugly game all of these folks are playing. This article, if true, is just the very tip of the iceberg.

You folks really think Urban is the only guy that would do these things in those situations? By no means am I defending the guy if this is true and in fact if it is....there may be some legal ramifications if it is. If it isn't then the magazine that printed this may very well be facing some litigation of it's own soon. This is a huge statement to be made at this time with that court case going on.

Cover up for a player involved in a drive-by shooting and could potentially turn into an attempted murder case? Yeah, I think he might be the only one.

It would take a whole lot more than Urban to do this and if you really think Urban is that much dirtier than most other college football coaches then you really aren't paying attention. Did you see Sumlin squirming on the stand? Hell, I am not even sure where Urban would stand in terms of ranking the dirtiest coaches of all time in the SEC, let alone in the country.

He just seems to be the guy everyone is looking at due to the actions of Hernandez. There have been plenty of other crimes done by college football guys, especially alleged actions that in the end couldn't be proven.

Oh I know they are all dirty on some level. But if true, then covering up an attempted murder and covering for your player getting paid for autographs are not even close to comparable.

(08-29-2013 10:53 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 10:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 09:54 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 12:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So Urban calls out some recent actions done by some down in Florida and in turn this coincidentally comes out.

What an ugly game all of these folks are playing. This article, if true, is just the very tip of the iceberg.

You folks really think Urban is the only guy that would do these things in those situations? By no means am I defending the guy if this is true and in fact if it is....there may be some legal ramifications if it is. If it isn't then the magazine that printed this may very well be facing some litigation of it's own soon. This is a huge statement to be made at this time with that court case going on.

Cover up for a player involved in a drive-by shooting and could potentially turn into an attempted murder case? Yeah, I think he might be the only one.

It would take a whole lot more than Urban to do this and if you really think Urban is that much dirtier than most other college football coaches then you really aren't paying attention. Did you see Sumlin squirming on the stand? Hell, I am not even sure where Urban would stand in terms of ranking the dirtiest coaches of all time in the SEC, let alone in the country.

He just seems to be the guy everyone is looking at due to the actions of Hernandez. There have been plenty of other crimes done by college football guys, especially alleged actions that in the end couldn't be proven.

Oh I know they are all dirty on some level. But if true, then covering up an attempted murder and covering for your player getting paid for autographs are not even close to comparable.

The original article makes no mention of him at all. The finger seems more pointed at the police. Seems on some level you want it to be pointed at Urban though. I am not saying fingers shouldn't be pointed at him but so far all the finger pointing over that incident is unfounded. It's not even really fair to the guy for folks to be making such serious claims.

(08-28-2013 05:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:41 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Also, the Stones's article does not name Urban. It just brushes across the topic. That NBC writer is going that extra mile to make that connection. Attributing it to the original article isn't exactly truthful although one would generally assume Urban would have had to know about this. Whether or not his word would be final on it or if there might be others above him telling him to not do anything, who knows.

Quote:Since 2007, he’s been charged with, or linked to, the shootings of six people in four incidents. Three of the victims were gruesomely murdered. One survivor, a former friend named Alexander Bradley, has had multiple operations and lost his right eye. The other two survivors were shot in their car outside a Gainesville, Florida, bar after an altercation involving Hernandez and two of his teammates his freshman year at the University of Florida. While in Gainesville, he sucker-punched a guy and shattered the fellow’s eardrum, and reportedly failed multiple drug tests, though he was suspended only once for those offenses.

I'm not a fan of Urban Meyer, but the article seems to point to more of a football culture issue at UF than it does to Urban in particular. It reminds me alot of the issues that took place at Penn State. The most alarming part of the article to me is the actions of the Gainesville PD and DA:

"The matter seems to have been settled quietly out of court, which was fine with Gainesville cops and the DA. They treated the punch-out as a juvie offense, giving Hernandez a deferred prosecution on the hush."

"The Pounceys were questioned as witnesses to the crime, but Hernandez invoked his right to counsel and never gave a statement, most odd since he was also called as a witness. No charges have ever been filed, and the case is still open. Again, he walked away unscathed: He wasn’t even named in the police report."

Definitely seems like a much bigger issue than what a head coach could do by himself. If anything, this all could have been done without him if the Police were the ones scrubbing this. Big time Gator fans on the force in Gainesville?

Hernandez played at the same time as Tebow correct?

Sounds like another situation (PSU) What has college sports come to.

(08-29-2013 09:32 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 05:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:41 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Also, the Stones's article does not name Urban. It just brushes across the topic. That NBC writer is going that extra mile to make that connection. Attributing it to the original article isn't exactly truthful although one would generally assume Urban would have had to know about this. Whether or not his word would be final on it or if there might be others above him telling him to not do anything, who knows.

Quote:Since 2007, he’s been charged with, or linked to, the shootings of six people in four incidents. Three of the victims were gruesomely murdered. One survivor, a former friend named Alexander Bradley, has had multiple operations and lost his right eye. The other two survivors were shot in their car outside a Gainesville, Florida, bar after an altercation involving Hernandez and two of his teammates his freshman year at the University of Florida. While in Gainesville, he sucker-punched a guy and shattered the fellow’s eardrum, and reportedly failed multiple drug tests, though he was suspended only once for those offenses.

I'm not a fan of Urban Meyer, but the article seems to point to more of a football culture issue at UF than it does to Urban in particular. It reminds me alot of the issues that took place at Penn State. The most alarming part of the article to me is the actions of the Gainesville PD and DA:

"The matter seems to have been settled quietly out of court, which was fine with Gainesville cops and the DA. They treated the punch-out as a juvie offense, giving Hernandez a deferred prosecution on the hush."

"The Pounceys were questioned as witnesses to the crime, but Hernandez invoked his right to counsel and never gave a statement, most odd since he was also called as a witness. No charges have ever been filed, and the case is still open. Again, he walked away unscathed: He wasn’t even named in the police report."

Definitely seems like a much bigger issue than what a head coach could do by himself. If anything, this all could have been done without him if the Police were the ones scrubbing this. Big time Gator fans on the force in Gainesville?

Hernandez played at the same time as Tebow correct?

Sounds like another situation (PSU) What has college sports come to.

See the news today regarding three thugs who beat that poor kid half to death on a school bus? It's not just college sports and schools. It is out of control kids in general. I wonder why? Oh yeh...we can't spank them anymore. I stayed out of trouble because I knew my dad would beat my a**. That's pretty rare now, as most kids do not have one living at home. Just the culture we live in. We are supposed to just reason with our kids. How has that worked out? Love is discipline. Discipline is love. I am glad my dad prepared me for the world... it's much tougher than his belt was. My rant for the night.

(08-29-2013 10:04 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 09:32 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 05:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:41 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Also, the Stones's article does not name Urban. It just brushes across the topic. That NBC writer is going that extra mile to make that connection. Attributing it to the original article isn't exactly truthful although one would generally assume Urban would have had to know about this. Whether or not his word would be final on it or if there might be others above him telling him to not do anything, who knows.

I'm not a fan of Urban Meyer, but the article seems to point to more of a football culture issue at UF than it does to Urban in particular. It reminds me alot of the issues that took place at Penn State. The most alarming part of the article to me is the actions of the Gainesville PD and DA:

"The matter seems to have been settled quietly out of court, which was fine with Gainesville cops and the DA. They treated the punch-out as a juvie offense, giving Hernandez a deferred prosecution on the hush."

"The Pounceys were questioned as witnesses to the crime, but Hernandez invoked his right to counsel and never gave a statement, most odd since he was also called as a witness. No charges have ever been filed, and the case is still open. Again, he walked away unscathed: He wasn’t even named in the police report."

Definitely seems like a much bigger issue than what a head coach could do by himself. If anything, this all could have been done without him if the Police were the ones scrubbing this. Big time Gator fans on the force in Gainesville?

Hernandez played at the same time as Tebow correct?

Sounds like another situation (PSU) What has college sports come to.

See the news today regarding three thugs who beat that poor kid half to death on a school bus? It's not just college sports and schools. It is out of control kids in general. I wonder why? Oh yeh...we can't spank them anymore. I stayed out of trouble because I knew my dad would beat my a**. That's pretty rare now, as most kids do not have one living at home. Just the culture we live in. We are supposed to just reason with our kids. How has that worked out? Love is discipline. Discipline is love. I am glad my dad prepared me for the world... it's much tougher than his belt was. My rant for the night.

Normally, I don't respond to the "tough love" statements... but you're 100% correct with this one.

When I was a kid (and it was not that long ago) I knew that if I skipped school, stole or did anything that I knew was wrong, I would be punished. In many circles, it's not like that now.

There is some data that shows both the good and the bad of younger generations: (1) they have a sense of "entitlement" and the thought of being told what to do in business or anywhere else is unheard of. (2) They are also MUCH more frugal than their parent's generation... I digress.