Now isn't this a better discussion?

I think Alabama will lose a conference game or 2 this year. I think Texas A&M will eventually have to vacate all wins that Johnny Manzell played in. I think Florida will not be that good this year. And Ohio State will play the PAC12 champ (Oregon or Stanford) in the BCS title game.

(08-27-2013 03:23 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Now isn't this a better discussion?

I think Alabama will lose a conference game or 2 this year. I think Texas A&M will eventually have to vacate all wins that Johnny Manzell played in. I think Florida will not be that good this year. And Ohio State will play the PAC12 champ (Oregon or Stanford) in the BCS title game.

What you say could very well happen since Arkansas, Auburn, and Ole Miss will all be improved this year. But, I wouldn't rule Georgia out if they can get by their opener with Clemson (the Dawgs always start slow) and if Clowney stays healthy I wouldn't rule South Carolina out of the championship picture either. They are much deeper than in the past. While I have respect for Stanford and Oregon and the schedules they play, and while you are likely right about the Buckeyes getting a shot, Ohio State simply doesn't play a reputable schedule at all this year. And one more caveat, Alabama will be viable with one loss. It will take two as you alluded to in order to knock them out. If they beat Texas A&M early all they have to do is clear L.S.U. and they are on their way. I think if they lose to A&M again they pick up their second loss to L.S.U.

The ACC has a chance to make a big staement this weekend. NC vs SC; Clemson vs Georgia; and Alabama vs VT. My prediction is Clemson beats Georgia but the other 2 ACC teams lose.

(08-27-2013 03:35 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has a chance to make a big staement this weekend. NC vs SC; Clemson vs Georgia; and Alabama vs VT. My prediction is Clemson beats Georgia but the other 2 ACC teams lose.

I think in two of them anything can happen (well it can in all three but with much less statistical chance in the VT/AL game). If South Carolina's defense is as good as expected it will be a low scoring game between North Carolina and a South Carolina offense, which while good, also struggles out of the gate every year. I think that game is in the neighborhood of 23 - 14 or even 19 to 10, but N.Carolina certainly has a good chance.

I wouldn't be surprised if Clemson won, but running on the Dawgs isn't going to be like running on Auburn last year and the Auburn game was way too close for Clemson to be as good as they were touted to be. The thing to watch in the Clemson / Georgia game will be the throwing accuracy of Aaron Murray early on in the contest. If Murray gets comfortable and the Clemson secondary (a huge weakness last year) is not improved significantly, then Georgia could put up some numbers on the Tigers. If Clemson can establish a run that's their ticket to victory. I think those will be the keys.

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(08-27-2013 03:35 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has a chance to make a big staement this weekend. NC vs SC; Clemson vs Georgia; and Alabama vs VT. My prediction is Clemson beats Georgia but the other 2 ACC teams lose.

The ACC always has that chance. Often times lately, that Clemson team has been higher ranked than Georgia, not the case anymore. Generally speaking, that VT team is ranked and many would claim ranked far too high and given far too much credit. They aren't even ranked this year. That North Carolina team? Yet another team that does very little with quite a bit of talent. We always see strong NFL drafts coming from North Carolina but where are the big results for UNC?

All three of those ACC squads aren't going to be prepared for what they have been put up against in this first week.

(08-27-2013 02:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 02:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Just keep reading my posts, brother and I promise you that your personal opinion of me will get much lower. And you know what? I won't give two schitts then either.

Brother, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME - nor I you - so please quit personalizing something so innocuous as the impact a television show may or may not have had on a major college football program. I honestly have no idea why you have chosen to get so pissy about such a stupid issue?

Here is your chance to prove your "fact" right. Please cite ONE other example of the phenomena you are insisting on. Is Rutgers' rise out of obscurity to bonafide mediocrity directly attributable to the success of The Jersey Shore? Isn't "Honey Boo-Boo" from Louisiana or some state like that? What impact has that show had on LSU's success? Going back to the time period we have been discussing, in the 80s Dennis Farina was in the show Crime Story, set in Las Vegas. What impact did that show have on the Runnin' Rebels' men's basketball success during that period?

Just give me one concrete comparable and I may reconsider. Otherwise I will continue to think that your theory is pure poppycock. If that hurts your feelings, I apologize in advance.

Where I come from we call this a hissy fit. You need to stop now while you have an ounce of credibility left.

Salvaging credibility with whom? You?! You have got to be kidding me!

Bother, I don't know how to make this any more clear? I couldn't give two schitts what you or any other kook on this board thinks of me. Please note that I have my own psychological evaluation of your behavior but out of politeness and I will choose to keep that analysis to myself.

You called me everything but a Christian and you are accusing ME of throwing a hissy fit because I refuse to agree with your moronic theory that the Miami Hurricane football program rose to prominence thanks to the success of a television show?

No, I am not going to go along with that because it is STUPID. Please note that I am not accusing you of being stupid but that theory is one of the dumbest ever advanced on this board.

(08-27-2013 06:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 03:35 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has a chance to make a big staement this weekend. NC vs SC; Clemson vs Georgia; and Alabama vs VT. My prediction is Clemson beats Georgia but the other 2 ACC teams lose.

The ACC always has that chance. Often times lately, that Clemson team has been higher ranked than Georgia, not the case anymore. Generally speaking, that VT team is ranked and many would claim ranked far too high and given far too much credit. They aren't even ranked this year. That North Carolina team? Yet another team that does very little with quite a bit of talent. We always see strong NFL drafts coming from North Carolina but where are the big results for UNC?

All three of those ACC squads aren't going to be prepared for what they have been put up against in this first week.

We'll see!!! I think Carolina is gonna surprise ya'll!!

(08-28-2013 09:14 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 02:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 02:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Just keep reading my posts, brother and I promise you that your personal opinion of me will get much lower. And you know what? I won't give two schitts then either.

Brother, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME - nor I you - so please quit personalizing something so innocuous as the impact a television show may or may not have had on a major college football program. I honestly have no idea why you have chosen to get so pissy about such a stupid issue?

Here is your chance to prove your "fact" right. Please cite ONE other example of the phenomena you are insisting on. Is Rutgers' rise out of obscurity to bonafide mediocrity directly attributable to the success of The Jersey Shore? Isn't "Honey Boo-Boo" from Louisiana or some state like that? What impact has that show had on LSU's success? Going back to the time period we have been discussing, in the 80s Dennis Farina was in the show Crime Story, set in Las Vegas. What impact did that show have on the Runnin' Rebels' men's basketball success during that period?

Just give me one concrete comparable and I may reconsider. Otherwise I will continue to think that your theory is pure poppycock. If that hurts your feelings, I apologize in advance.

Where I come from we call this a hissy fit. You need to stop now while you have an ounce of credibility left.

Salvaging credibility with whom? You?! You have got to be kidding me!

Bother, I don't know how to make this any more clear? I couldn't give two schitts what you or any other kook on this board thinks of me. Please note that I have my own psychological evaluation of your behavior but out of politeness and I will choose to keep that analysis to myself.

You called me everything but a Christian and you are accusing ME of throwing a hissy fit because I refuse to agree with your moronic theory that the Miami Hurricane football program rose to prominence thanks to the success of a television show?

No, I am not going to go along with that because it is STUPID. Please note that I am not accusing you of being stupid but that theory is one of the dumbest ever advanced on this board.

1. It's right there for anyone to read what I actually said and its context.

2. Your attack is there for everyone to read as well.

3. You attacked two points and were totally wrong on the issue of Miami being involved with the CIA during the early years of the Castro regime and intentionally misrepresented the tenor of my remarks about the time, the culture, and the cultural impact of Miami Vice.

4. You continue to scream the same ridiculous accusations and it is you that refuse to consult the history books, it is you that have hurled nothing but insults, and it is you who can offer no substantive argument against either of my assertions other than more ridicule, hyperbole, and the constant attempt through your statements to re-frame the issue into a more absurd position from which you hope to extricate yourself from an admission of your error and/or an apology for your behavior.

5. Every time you make another post you just confirm what I have said. I never said that a TV show created Miami's success in football. You have tried to spin it that way in order to get out of having to admit that you are wrong. What you are angry about is that I won't let you get away with that, or your ignorance over a period of history. Yet you are the only one to throw insults. What I said is that it provided free advertisement to the whole Miami area, its culture, and helped to augment all of its concerns including U of Miami's football team. All free publicity on positives matters help to create synergy which enhances all attributes in a area.

6. This is enough of this for this thread. Say anything further you wish to say in a PM. I would have already done that except you chose to try to ridicule the truth of what I said and me in public. So I chose to expose your ignorance in the same fashion. Your motto is "I root for common sense." Well, so far I haven't seen that from you.

I think that Miami, like many other universities, needs to hire the "right" coach who will put the program close to what it was 1983-2003.

Like many other programs who had great success, it has hit the doldrums due to a series of poor to mediocre coaching hires.

Nothing against Al Golden, who is a good coach. I just don't think that he is the "right" coach to re-ignite Miami's success.

Now, Miami doesn't have the facilities, fan base and other things that traditional programs like Ohio State, Michigan, ND, LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas and other programs who have recovered or are recovering from bad hires and "down periods", so it will be a bit tougher for the Hurricanes.

But, with the right, dynamic coach and the home grown talent available, there is no reason why Miami cannot recover to become a consistent top 10-15 program.

(08-28-2013 09:39 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 06:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 03:35 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has a chance to make a big staement this weekend. NC vs SC; Clemson vs Georgia; and Alabama vs VT. My prediction is Clemson beats Georgia but the other 2 ACC teams lose.

The ACC always has that chance. Often times lately, that Clemson team has been higher ranked than Georgia, not the case anymore. Generally speaking, that VT team is ranked and many would claim ranked far too high and given far too much credit. They aren't even ranked this year. That North Carolina team? Yet another team that does very little with quite a bit of talent. We always see strong NFL drafts coming from North Carolina but where are the big results for UNC?

All three of those ACC squads aren't going to be prepared for what they have been put up against in this first week.

We'll see!!! I think Carolina is gonna surprise ya'll!!

Good luck to your team in doing that. That would be a great win for you guys to start the season off with.

The guys who made Miami, "The U."

Miami, the city, had a veneer to it that made it seem very glamorous. It still has that to a much lesser degree today but the ugly truth came out about the city and it lost much of that false media driven luster.

Was Miami Vice directly responsible for the U's success? Of course not and it doesn't appear as if JR is saying that. What Miami Vice is absolutely a part of is that veneer that defined Miami back in that time. Miami Vice took that dirty underbelly of Miami and turned it into something that was "cool".

Being at Miami back then was absolutely Cool. Miami Vice was part of that. Just how much a part of it though? That is completely opinion and cannot really be proven from either direction. To state that the show was not a major part of American Culture at the time though is to either have been ignorant of it, or to simply deny that it was.

The U though, had some great coaching and some superstar players and it kept building upon that foundation much like we see Alabama doing now. There was a particular attitude and confidence that The U gave off that most definitely would be attractive to prospective recruits. That comes from the city itself too. Whether Miami Vice just did a great job of projecting that or if it had a hand in molding the people of Miami's mindsets and even more so the mindsets of people NOT from Miami, who knows.

I don't see why the talking point requires such ugliness in response though. Such ugliness certainly does not diminish the point, it only diminishes the user of such.