No plans to expand and sees no expansion or realignment taking place by any conference for at least 6 and possibly as many as 10 years...mentions current conference contracts as the reason. Says Big 12 has largest per team payout of any conference. Said we are in a time of stability now...

welp, AAC ain't a bad place to land

If the B12 doesn't want to expand and none of the leagues want to test the legality of a GOR then realignment is over for a while.

He sounded pretty convincing...of course, all it takes is one conference deciding to tip a domino...

Well, chip brown is going with texas order of leaving the big 12 as ACC, Big 10, than pac 12. My guess is the acc would give texas the same deal as ND but wouldn't bring in any other big 12 school's. I could be wrong and they would bring in KU and OU but other than those 2, i don't see any way the acc brings in lower profile big 12 school's. I could see the big 10 add KU and OU to go with texas but no other big 12 school's. I would think KU and OU join the big 10 if texas did join the acc in an ND type deal...maybe OU and OK state would pair up for the sec/pac 12 if texas left. As for the pac 10, i could see them jump to 16-20 with big 12 school's if texas is shopping. I think it would be hard for texas to leave ship and go solo to the acc, so i'd go with a pac 20 as the most likely spot if texas ever did leave the big 12 since they could take the most friends in such a setup. Colorado and utah get shifted to the east to join 8 texas friends, they can complain but they also get out voted.

Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

(08-26-2013 09:13 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

They offer the Basketball equivalent of Alabama in Football.

(08-26-2013 09:13 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

It makes for better story lines. Plus, how can you set up the nice and tidy 4 by 16 model if certain conferences actually don't want certain schools? How can the PAC rocket up to 16 to fit the narrative if it does not have Boise linked to it at least as a possibility???

(08-26-2013 09:00 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  He sounded pretty convincing...of course, all it takes is one conference deciding to tip a domino...

I think he's right for the P5. I think there is the potential for a lot of shuffling among the G5.

The continued addition of FCS schools could really hurt the CUSA and Sun Belt schools. I don't think its any coincidence that the MAC added EMU, CMU, Ball St. and NIU, who all recruit the same territory as the older 6 schools, in the mid-70s and went 20 years without a ranked team after having 6 in the 8 previous years from 3 different schools.

Cut off everything below AAC and MWC and let's play!


I keed, I keed...

(08-26-2013 09:13 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

Because our small market and mediocre football don't make us very compelling as a #12, 13, or 14. But if the discussion moves towards getting a 15 and 16, our high profile basketball brand brings value. We'd still likely essentially be #16, and need to be paired with an appropriate #15. I'm not convinced it's going to happen, but despite OU not being in the AAU, from a purely athletic point of view the combination of OU & KU makes good speculation fodder because it'd strengthen both football and basketball, and we'd also serve as the geographic bridge to maintain the contiguous footprint.

(08-26-2013 09:13 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

I think it was because they weren't one of the schools going out and talking to other conferences those few years back. Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, and supposedly Missouri were (MU got grilled about it because of that rumor they were being offered a Big Ten spot)...Kansas wasn't as aggressive.

Kansas made it onto that "potential interest" cluster back in the 90's when it was thought not all the Big 8 schools would join the Big XII. I think they were additions were Nebraska and Colorado to join. I think this is where the notion of them eventually going someday came from. However, Missouri was also a "tagalong" candidate. Didn't happen in the 90's, nor did it in '10 or '12.

(08-26-2013 09:13 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

How do we know KU was left out? We have no idea what kind of back door communication was going on. It just never got that far.

How long did the Maryland-Rutgers rumors stir before press conference? Not long. Most people thought Nebraska was the end of the story.

Big 10 likes Pearl Harbor expansion stories.

Not saying they are going to expand, but that they play the cards close so silence is no sign of anything.

If they get their post 2016 TV deal done and don't add anyone then obviously we enter a quiet period.

(08-26-2013 12:26 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 09:13 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

I think it was because they weren't one of the schools going out and talking to other conferences those few years back. Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, and supposedly Missouri were (MU got grilled about it because of that rumor they were being offered a Big Ten spot)...Kansas wasn't as aggressive.

Kansas made it onto that "potential interest" cluster back in the 90's when it was thought not all the Big 8 schools would join the Big XII. I think they were additions were Nebraska and Colorado to join. I think this is where the notion of them eventually going someday came from. However, Missouri was also a "tagalong" candidate. Didn't happen in the 90's, nor did it in '10 or '12.

Boy where did you get the idea that not all the Big 8 schools would join the Big12? That is really out of left field. Never heard anything like that

23 pages of Kansas-to-? talk.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=248...49571&p=23

It's just not healthy. Can't see the Big 12 making it through its GoR at this rate. Or will it die down?

I won't be convinced that realignment is going to end till both of the following happens..

1.) the NCAA meeting in January takes place.

2.) the B1G signs their new tier 1 contract for 2016

Just my 2 cents.

(08-26-2013 03:50 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 12:26 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 09:13 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

I think it was because they weren't one of the schools going out and talking to other conferences those few years back. Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, and supposedly Missouri were (MU got grilled about it because of that rumor they were being offered a Big Ten spot)...Kansas wasn't as aggressive.

Kansas made it onto that "potential interest" cluster back in the 90's when it was thought not all the Big 8 schools would join the Big XII. I think they were additions were Nebraska and Colorado to join. I think this is where the notion of them eventually going someday came from. However, Missouri was also a "tagalong" candidate. Didn't happen in the 90's, nor did it in '10 or '12.

Boy where did you get the idea that not all the Big 8 schools would join the Big12? That is really out of left field. Never heard anything like that

Colorado could have been in the PAC in 1996. The Board of Regents voted 5 to 4 to decline an invitation from the PAC. At that time, the majority of the Board wanted to be in the same conference as Texas. Texas had already stated a preference for the Big 12. Had Colorado accepted the invitation, Utah would have been invited.

I never heard anything about Colorado being invited to the Big 10. That just doesn't make any sense.

(08-27-2013 03:06 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 03:50 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 12:26 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 09:13 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Why is everyone so convinced Kansas is going to the B1G? Last round, when the Big12 was on its death bed, Kansas was left out. Why's it different now?

I think it was because they weren't one of the schools going out and talking to other conferences those few years back. Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, and supposedly Missouri were (MU got grilled about it because of that rumor they were being offered a Big Ten spot)...Kansas wasn't as aggressive.

Kansas made it onto that "potential interest" cluster back in the 90's when it was thought not all the Big 8 schools would join the Big XII. I think they were additions were Nebraska and Colorado to join. I think this is where the notion of them eventually going someday came from. However, Missouri was also a "tagalong" candidate. Didn't happen in the 90's, nor did it in '10 or '12.

Boy where did you get the idea that not all the Big 8 schools would join the Big12? That is really out of left field. Never heard anything like that

Colorado could have been in the PAC in 1996. The Board of Regents voted 5 to 4 to decline an invitation from the PAC. At that time, the majority of the Board wanted to be in the same conference as Texas. Texas had already stated a preference for the Big 12. Had Colorado accepted the invitation, Utah would have been invited.

I never heard anything about Colorado being invited to the Big 10. That just doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, the PAC invited UC in '94 (I think), but the Buffs declined. I've heard over the years that the interest came from varying matters, from not being happy with additional Texas schools, to being concerned over their "fit" as a school with a significant west coast enrollment in a Great Plains conference. They REALLY wanted a school that pushed the conference westward, but saw opportunity in having Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas in one place.

After the PSU pickup, there was a lot of chatter of pushing the Big Ten's membership up to 12. This is where, supposedly, Rutgers started talking to the conference, and some informal chatter with some of the Big 8 schools. Because of the issues with Texas and A&M each probing alternative conference choices, the media deal, and overall viability were in question. Again, nothing as formal as an invite, but some discussion were there a block of big state schools available to the conference.

I think the only formal discussions the Big Ten had about member #12 before UNL came aboard was with Notre Dame in the late 90's.

The Big Ten does their business on the sly. "Secret meetings," informal chats, lobbying support (it didn't hurt UNL's chances any at the time that Perlman and Spanier were close). Like a bad spy novel, really.