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RE: State your Schools Case- Which Group of 5 Schools deserve to be a part of Division 4?
my bad, meant 96.
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RE: State your Schools Case- Which Group of 5 Schools deserve to be a part of Division 4?
(08-30-2013 05:44 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-30-2013 05:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(08-30-2013 04:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-30-2013 03:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  That shrinks FBS from 126 to 92 and cuts away some of the deadwood

You arbitrarily choose 92 as the cutoff point -- you want to kick 34 teams (presumably not including your favorite team) to the curb. But there's no objective reason why cutting to 92 is good while cutting to 70 is bad, just like there's no objective reason why Eastern Michigan should be "in" while North Dakota State is "out".

arbitrary, adj- based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

92 was determined by deciding what the optimum number of teams in a playoff should be (8), and the optimum number of teams in a conference (12) should be. 12x8=92. there is nothing arbitrary about the number.

it's not set in stone either, I would be fine with 10 conferences and 126 teams remaining in FBS, an added step would be needed to determine which 8 conference champs played in the playoffs under the original proposed scenario. I would be willing to go with that.

12 x 8 ≠ 92.

Other notions that are arbitrary (or, if you prefer, "whimsical"):

-- Athletic conferences must all be the same size.

-- Said size must be 12 teams.

-- Every conference, regardless of shape, size, or merit, must get a quota of one and only one -- not zero, two, three, or four -- reserved places in a football playoff.

There's no objective reason why we can't have a playoff that uses some format or procedure for choosing the 4, 8, or 16 best teams and then has a tournament of those teams. You think it's unfair that Ohio State was "born into" the Big Ten while Ohio U was not? OK. So don't reserve a guaranteed place for anyone. Choose the best teams without giving a quota or preference to any conference or independent.

I was saying the number 96 was not arbitrary in relation to the structure I recommended. Of course the structure itself can be deemed arbitrary because I created it based on my own idea of what I thought would be an interesting and successful playoff format.

you argue that it should be the best teams in the playoffs but you don't want that distinction to be decided on the field. you want opinions to decide who is the best. THAT, is arbitrary.
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RE: State your Schools Case- Which Group of 5 Schools deserve to be a part of Division 4?
(08-25-2013 08:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  my cutoff is

unlv, memphis, nevada, byu, utah st. Air force, colorado state, new mexico, wyoming, idaho, smu, tulsa, Houston, LA monroe, tulane, new mexico st. ucf, usf, uconn, cincy, ohio, buffalo, arkansas st. navy, & army.

thats 27 schools where id like to see the cutoff.

i think we could look at niu, umass, temple, LA lafayette & ecu but if you take those schools then you open up a whole bunch of other schools like georgia st & la tech to d4. and i just dont think that should happen.

we have to look at the bigger picture. should NC really have 5 schools and ohio only 1? yes this may be inferred to as a potential bias, but the way id see it id take a flagship state school out west for the 3rd, or 5th best state school from north carolina or alabama.

what are you smoking if you think ULM would get in before either LaTech or ULL?
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RE: State your Schools Case- Which Group of 5 Schools deserve to be a part of Division 4?
(08-26-2013 12:33 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(08-25-2013 11:51 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(08-25-2013 11:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(08-25-2013 11:26 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  Here are the schools I think should merge to create a new Best of the Rest Conference and be included in D4:

MWC schools making up a West Conference:
Boise State
SDSU
Colorado Sate
Air Force
New Mexico
Fresno State
Utah State

AAC schools making up an East Conference:
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
UCF
USF
Houston
SMU

Combine these 14 into the National Athletic Conference (The NAC or The National)

Independents who would join Notre Dame in the D4:
BYU
Army
Navy (who would bolt from whatever was left of the AAC)

i like where you are going with this however buffalo nevada & unlv should also be included instead of sdsu/frenso and especially bsu.

bsu is never gonna happen but IF were gonna let sdsu/frenso join in then you have to include tulane, LA monroe, & tulsa. a lot of people are pushing the ECU thing personally i dont see it but if ecu gets in that only opens the door for idaho/wyoming/new mexico st.

oh my gawd, someone has fallen off their rocker and/or is just stirring the pot. Buffalo doesn't even average 15k for football, nevada has problems averaging 20k when they're ranked in the top 20, same for tulsa... I can't believe I read all the way down to Tulsa, considering you listed La Monroe??????? really? USU attendance last year was barely 20k

I can't even believe I replied to this

la monroe is easily the mid major powerhouse of the future. i see a lot of good things coming out of that program. and like ive stated 100x before. d4 wont be decided by which schools are the best, but which schools are the best connected, have solid name brand recognition (not just sports wise), and come from a region that other p5 schools will be comfortable with allowing a d4 school to exist

ULM has none of those things...ULM is at best 4th in the sunbelt when it comes to potential behind Arkansas State, Louisiana, and Texas State, and probably WKU. Louisiana has the finances to get stuff done. And Texas state is in a great area and has some nice new facilities. Arkansas state is back to back SBC champs that has allowed 1 TD on defense in their last three games and 1 of only 2 FBS teams in the state. WKU is making Kentucky its own oersonal whipping boy. Last two years. The only thing ULM did was beat an extremely over rated poorly led Arkansas team
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RE: State your Schools Case- Which Group of 5 Schools deserve to be a part of Division 4?
Cincinnati's Case

*We beat Oregon State, Virginia Tech, Purdue, Vanderbilt, NC State, Illinois, and Duke over the last few seasons. All of which are power 5 teams. Not the best P5 teams, but If they are P5, there is no reason to keep us out.

* We have an endowment of more than one billion dollars.

* We have been named the best return on investment, the top public university, and one of America's most beautiful campuses.

* We live in a large media market
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RE: State your Schools Case- Which Group of 5 Schools deserve to be a part of Division 4?
(09-01-2013 07:32 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Cincinnati's Case

*We beat Oregon State, Virginia Tech, Purdue, Vanderbilt, NC State, Illinois, and Duke over the last few seasons. All of which are power 5 teams. Not the best P5 teams, but If they are P5, there is no reason to keep us out.

* We have an endowment of more than one billion dollars.

* We have been named the best return on investment, the top public university, and one of America's most beautiful campuses.

* We live in a large media market

If you have so much money why couldn't you spring to enable game tracker for all teams in your weekend volleyball tournament. Never seen a school so inhospitable that hosts a tournament, sends video of your own games, and doesn't even enable game tracker for the other teams.

Behavior like that is why you're small time.
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(09-01-2013 07:00 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(09-01-2013 07:32 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Cincinnati's Case

*We beat Oregon State, Virginia Tech, Purdue, Vanderbilt, NC State, Illinois, and Duke over the last few seasons. All of which are power 5 teams. Not the best P5 teams, but If they are P5, there is no reason to keep us out.

* We have an endowment of more than one billion dollars.

* We have been named the best return on investment, the top public university, and one of America's most beautiful campuses.

* We live in a large media market

If you have so much money why couldn't you spring to enable game tracker for all teams in your weekend volleyball tournament. Never seen a school so inhospitable that hosts a tournament, sends video of your own games, and doesn't even enable game tracker for the other teams.

Behavior like that is why you're small time.

LOL really?!?!?!?

No it's called who gives a sh%#@ about volleyball.

"Hey, set up game tracker so we can follow our volleyball team", said nobody, ever.
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(09-01-2013 07:25 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(09-01-2013 07:00 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(09-01-2013 07:32 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Cincinnati's Case

*We beat Oregon State, Virginia Tech, Purdue, Vanderbilt, NC State, Illinois, and Duke over the last few seasons. All of which are power 5 teams. Not the best P5 teams, but If they are P5, there is no reason to keep us out.

* We have an endowment of more than one billion dollars.

* We have been named the best return on investment, the top public university, and one of America's most beautiful campuses.

* We live in a large media market

If you have so much money why couldn't you spring to enable game tracker for all teams in your weekend volleyball tournament. Never seen a school so inhospitable that hosts a tournament, sends video of your own games, and doesn't even enable game tracker for the other teams.

Behavior like that is why you're small time.

LOL really?!?!?!?

No it's called who gives a sh%#@ about volleyball.

"Hey, set up game tracker so we can follow our volleyball team", said nobody, ever.

Just illustrates what a cheap small time program you have. Every other program shows way more class. Even teams in the Horizon league.
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(09-01-2013 08:26 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(09-01-2013 07:25 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(09-01-2013 07:00 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(09-01-2013 07:32 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Cincinnati's Case

*We beat Oregon State, Virginia Tech, Purdue, Vanderbilt, NC State, Illinois, and Duke over the last few seasons. All of which are power 5 teams. Not the best P5 teams, but If they are P5, there is no reason to keep us out.

* We have an endowment of more than one billion dollars.

* We have been named the best return on investment, the top public university, and one of America's most beautiful campuses.

* We live in a large media market

If you have so much money why couldn't you spring to enable game tracker for all teams in your weekend volleyball tournament. Never seen a school so inhospitable that hosts a tournament, sends video of your own games, and doesn't even enable game tracker for the other teams.

Behavior like that is why you're small time.

LOL really?!?!?!?

No it's called who gives a sh%#@ about volleyball.

"Hey, set up game tracker so we can follow our volleyball team", said nobody, ever.

Just illustrates what a cheap small time program you have. Every other program shows way more class. Even teams in the Horizon league.

yup...oh well.
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