Why would it not be a good idea to advance the new division idea into a new division of 1 large conference? That way the GOR's can become irrelevant, the 80 schools can then collectively demand all the money they want for 1st tier thru 5th tier rights to the various networks, they can divide their schools into as many regional divisions as they deem necessary, they can come up with their own playoff system for the new division championship (national championship in everyones eyes) and pretty much have their cake and eat it too.

The individual schools (presidents/AD's) would lose a great deal of influence in this scenario. I would imagine the ruling body (however it is composed) would quickly become seen as the NCAA is seen today as over bureaucratic and cumbersome but more importantly they would be seen as "they".

Right now most schools in the P5 conferences (somewhat different in the G5) feel a sense ownership to their conference.

All of that and the fact that it would be stupid at that level to keep paying so many entrance and exit fees since schools move around so much.

This is ultimately, where we might head. If not directly united for everything, they could leverage their TV contracts very well together (since they would have a monopoly). I think it would ultimately severely lessen interest in the game (being NFL junior is not going to help the sport in my mind), but that would be down the roads a bit.

Still, too many issues and too many egos for it to come about soon. If the $ value of contracts of the power conferences start to align though and the conference start getting desperate for cash (something I expect in the next decade), I could definitely see something like this happening eventually for at least football.

Never happen though.

Iowa doesn't want Iowa State having equal prestige and so forth. If you listen to some of the comments Delany and Slive think this all a two-player game, SEC and Big 10 and the other "peer" conferences are along for the ride.

As long as ESPN commands huge market power this nor a different division aren't happening.
It's not in ESPN's best interest for there to be greater consoldidation nor is it in ESPN's interest to see a third or half of FBS taken out of the equation and devalue their investments in TV rights and bowl games.

Can you imagine telling the fans of the SEC that their "SEC, SEC, SEC!" chant is about to be irrelevant? Can you imagine telling the highbrow ACC that they are going to be intermixed with the SEC? Can you imagine telling the Big Ten to order a brand new and much bigger CIC boardroom table?

The individuals that run these groupings are very country club oriented in their psychological thinking processes. To just take them all together and wipe away the cultural identity of these conferences, I just cant see it happening.

The closest we will come to this will be the conferences having stronger ties with each other across the board in terms of those that make it into this new division.

If we end up with a more ordered method of deciding who makes it into the Postseason then it technically acts in the same way.

That is why I believe the idea of conference tournaments leading to conference champions having an autobid to an 8 team playoff is eventually going to happen. That puts together a pseudo structure above the conferences that still allows them to maintain their individual identities.

This was how it used to be done with the CFA. There is no way they return to that.

What about all the other sports? Is Georgetown now not allowed to be a top tier team because they don't play big time football? 2 of the 3 teams who won the Big East regular season bball title last year wouldn't be considered top tier because of football?

Thats a big snag for this plan.

I've been wondering for a year or so now if the major conferences weren't headed for a long-phase consolidation.

EVERYONE would make less money in this situation. Schools are worth more combined than alone.

The basic problem is that no matter where you draw the line (40 schools? 60? 80? 100?), it's purely arbitrary. It's inherently "unfair". Is there really a significant difference between the #60 program and the #61 program?

That's just the way it is.

D1 is like the pacific

About half on one side, half on the other with a massive ocean between them and only a few scattered islands in between.

This is about those on the other side if the ocean trying to preserve the illusion that they are still D1 schools and not just the lucky recipients of outdated NCAA standards that they don't even attempt to enforce

Big 10 with 6 divisions of 10 works fine. Might be better if its the pac 10 with 6 divisions of 10 since the pac 10 owns its network 100%.

(08-25-2013 11:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Can you imagine telling the fans of the SEC that their "SEC, SEC, SEC!" chant is about to be irrelevant? Can you imagine telling the highbrow ACC that they are going to be intermixed with the SEC? Can you imagine telling the Big Ten to order a brand new and much bigger CIC boardroom table?

The individuals that run these groupings are very country club oriented in their psychological thinking processes. To just take them all together and wipe away the cultural identity of these conferences, I just cant see it happening.

The closest we will come to this will be the conferences having stronger ties with each other across the board in terms of those that make it into this new division.

If we end up with a more ordered method of deciding who makes it into the Postseason then it technically acts in the same way.

That is why I believe the idea of conference tournaments leading to conference champions having an autobid to an 8 team playoff is eventually going to happen. That puts together a pseudo structure above the conferences that still allows them to maintain their individual identities.

I agree with you. That is why I never believed that the ACC would going to get carved up and the Big Ten was going to end up with 20 schools.

Too many parochial and competing interests, too many cultural and regional bias/differenfces and too many fiefdoms and egos for those things to happen.

About 90 Programs. Maybe 95. Any less and solid commodities will be cut off. Anymore and the product will be diluted.