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2013 Pitchers in the Rookie League
So, Tyler Spurlin, who probably threw 30 innings or less at Rice is dominating in the Rookie League AZ posts a sub 1.00 ERA, but was not considered to throw at Rice for 4 years is not worthy of a few paltry innings at Rice? Turns out his ERA shows as a .90 against some of the guys the Brewers paid in excess of 1M to sign with 20 innings pitched and 23 K's? Really? And no, I am not a cousin, dad, mom, uncle, or any relation to Tspur whatsoever.....aaaah.....Houston, we have a problem. And yes, to not slight our performers in 2013...they threw their guts out and deserved their bonuses.......
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RE: 2013 Pitchers in the Rookie League
(08-24-2013 08:23 PM)justahooter Wrote:  So, Tyler Spurlin, who probably threw 30 innings or less at Rice is dominating in the Rookie League AZ posts a sub 1.00 ERA, but was not considered to throw at Rice for 4 years is not worthy of a few paltry innings at Rice? Turns out his ERA shows as a .90 against some of the guys the Brewers paid in excess of 1M to sign with 20 innings pitched and 23 K's? Really? And no, I am not a cousin, dad, mom, uncle, or any relation to Tspur whatsoever.....aaaah.....Houston, we have a problem. And yes, to not slight our performers in 2013...they threw their guts out and deserved their bonuses.......

I mean, that's great for Tyler. But to other parts of your comment, it is rookie league. He is way overage for the league, so I would hope he could dominate. I don't know why Tyler didn't get more innings at Rice, but I trust the OG's judgment.
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I don't.
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And, it is Rookie League, but I was there watching, were you?
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Didn't think so.
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would have been nice to have had a fresher bullpen in Raleigh...
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If Spurlin had put up those types of #'s in any of his opportunities in 2010, 2011, or last year, or in the fall of spring of last year, he'd probably have a pitched a lot more.
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Did Spurlin ever show signs of greatness while at Rice or in the summer leagues? If so, then this is a legitimate criticism that you bring. If not, then this is unfair criticism. The original poster's analysis needs to go deeper than what Spurlin has done in a short time span after college.

Coach Graham has gotten incredibly good results (arguably the maximum potential in some cases) from players at Rice who have then gone on to do very little under other coaches.
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I'm happy to hear Spurlin is doing well. I'm not qualified to say whether he was underutilized at Rice. It's possible he was.

It would behoove us to give Graham a huge benefit of doubt.
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Probably second only to JustaHooter, I am guessing that Graham is rooting for Spurlin and pleased and proud of his success.
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RE: 2013 Pitchers in the Rookie League
(08-24-2013 08:23 PM)justahooter Wrote:  So, Tyler Spurlin, who probably threw 30 innings or less at Rice is dominating in the Rookie League AZ posts a sub 1.00 ERA, but was not considered to throw at Rice for 4 years is not worthy of a few paltry innings at Rice? Turns out his ERA shows as a .90 against some of the guys the Brewers paid in excess of 1M to sign with 20 innings pitched and 23 K's? Really? And no, I am not a cousin, dad, mom, uncle, or any relation to Tspur whatsoever.....aaaah.....Houston, we have a problem. And yes, to not slight our performers in 2013...they threw their guts out and deserved their bonuses.......

Congratulations, Tyler, way to go. Keep it up.

As for the allegations, let's see:

1. It's the Arizona Rookie League. There are not a bunch of guys that the Brewers or anybody else paid over $1 million to sign there. College guys drafted high enough to get $1 million or more start a couple of levels higher at short-season A ball, or at least at advanced rookie ball. The top draft choices at this level are HS guys drafted generally based on upside. The Brewers roster shows one million-dollar guy, HS RHP Devin Williams. The rest are mostly middle-round draft choices or free agents who signed probably in the $50,000 range, if that much. That's pretty common for this level. Astros sent three of their top nine 2013 draft choices to the same level, only one of them a college pitcher, and none of them a million dollar guy.

2. Tyler is about two years older than league average for legitimate prospects (excluding guys like Micah Owings who is trying to restart his career). That's a huge two years, and definitely skews statistics.

3. The ERA number may be a bit misleading. He's given up 2 earned runs but 9 total runs (a runs/9 innings rate of 4.05). The peripherals (WHIP, K/BB) actually support the ERA, so perhaps not, but it is a legitimate question.

4. The sample size is very small, certainly far too small to support the sweeping inferences in the OP.

5. One reason the sample size is so small is that he is the 9th most utilized pitcher on the staff. And keep in mind that at this stage the roles (starter, closer) are not well defined, and frequently guys get looks in multiple roles to see what fits best. At the same time, Tyler's stats (12 games, 20 IP, 8 games finished, 1 save) suggest pretty strongly that he is being used as the mop up guy. Looks like he may have ranked as high or higher on the Rice staff than he does here. Perhaps your complaint would be better directed at the Brewers than at Wayne.

That being said, let me repeat. Well done, Tyler. Keep up the good work.
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RE: 2013 Pitchers in the Rookie League
There have been other guys who were fairly lightly used at Rice and have had notable success in pro ball.

Lucas Luetge has spent quite a bit of time in the majors but he was IIRC a peripheral part of the mix at Rice.

Kyle Gunderson spent a couple of years in pro ball and I think he had fewer than 10 IP in his career at Rice.

There was another lefty JC transfer whose name I can't pull. He was basically buried mid season and was then drafted in the low 20s.

All of that said, I'm more impressed with how he gets great mileage out of guys whom the pros don't see as prospects.
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(08-25-2013 05:13 PM)MemOwl Wrote:  There was another lefty JC transfer whose name I can't pull. He was basically buried mid season and was then drafted in the low 20s.

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(08-25-2013 05:13 PM)MemOwl Wrote:  There have been other guys who were fairly lightly used at Rice and have had notable success in pro ball.

Lucas Luetge has spent quite a bit of time in the majors but he was IIRC a peripheral part of the mix at Rice.

Kyle Gunderson spent a couple of years in pro ball and I think he had fewer than 10 IP in his career at Rice.

There was another lefty JC transfer whose name I can't pull. He was basically buried mid season and was then drafted in the low 20s.

All of that said, I'm more impressed with how he gets great mileage out of guys whom the pros don't see as prospects.

And then there are the plethora of guys who were not highly regarded out of high school (oftentimes undrafted), who The OG turned into elite college pitchers and high draft picks (e.g., Aardsma, Degerman, Greer, Ber-ry, Ojala, Cox, CSC, Bramhall, Cingrani, Duffey, Chargois, Langwell, Jared Rogers and, most recently, Lamond).

There is no better developer of pitching talent in the college ranks than The OG. Period. It's one of the reasons I'm optimistic about Dunlap.
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