(08-26-2013 12:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 12:02 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 11:59 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 11:48 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  9% of Americans support this. With 91% of us against it, how are we going to allow it to happen?

Work the problem out. If we do nothing and some Syrian CW Agents explode in Tel Aviv, the some cities in the Middle East will get nuked.

The success rate of that happening with the current administration is just about equal to the support percentage...

I'm saying work the problem to its likely conclusions. People realize that there is high probability that nuclear weapons will be used if no action is taken, then public support for intervention will increase.

When the dem race was still between Billary and Obama, I had a dream that he won and we were eventually attacked by people in black suits, or gov agents... Within the last couple of weeks, I've been having dreams that we came under attack from the outside. Needless to say (since I've had foretelling dreams many times in the past) if we were to get attacked, it wouldn't surprise me...

(08-26-2013 11:59 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 11:48 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  9% of Americans support this. With 91% of us against it, how are we going to allow it to happen?

Work the problem out. If we do nothing and some Syrian CW Agents explode in Tel Aviv, the some cities in the Middle East will get nuked.

Really? Where/when has something similar happened before? Seems like another big bad wolf.

Obama shouldn't have drawn his silly red line. He should've just wiggled his finger pointing to Asad saying "bad arab" and we wouldn't be involved in this mess.

What are some other examples in US history of a President going against the will of 91% of the people he serves?

(08-26-2013 01:47 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  What are some other examples in US history of a President going against the will of 91% of the people he serves?

Looks like a two day cruise missile and Tactical Air exercise to "punish" Assad for use of Chemical Weapons.

In other words Air Strikes to decapitate Assad's Regime. Ought to get interesting if Assad shoots back. By the way there's a Russian warship off the Syrian coast that will be giving early warning of incoming missiles and aircraft, so it looks like some of the cruise missiles will come in the Back Door from Turkey. Turkey is apparently going to allow the use of Incirlik Air Base

If we go, we must have the following objectives, not necessarily in this order except the last one:
1) Sink their navy, every single ship
2) Eliminate their air force, first by taking out their bases and then by destroying all their aircraft on the ground
3) Level the presidential palace and any other known government buildings, ESPECIALLY the secret police headquarters
4) Kill Assad and as many of his inner circle as possible
5) Confiscate or destroy all biological and chemical weapons
6) Make sure the next guy understands that if he doesn't behave, we will be back to kill him
7) Get out.

(08-27-2013 12:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If we go, we must have the following objectives, not necessarily in this order except the last one:
1) Sink their navy, every single ship
2) Eliminate their air force, first by taking out their bases and then by destroying all their aircraft on the ground
3) Level the presidential palace and any other known government buildings, ESPECIALLY the secret police headquarters
4) Kill Assad and as many of his inner circle as possible
5) Confiscate or destroy all biological and chemical weapons
6) Make sure the next guy understands that if he doesn't behave, we will be back to kill him
7) Get out.

Agree. But this looks like a two day, toss some cruise missiles, and leave. A PR Attack, unless we get lucky and kill Assad.

Aspirin Factory Part II

(08-27-2013 11:54 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Looks like a two day cruise missile and Tactical Air exercise to "punish" Assad for use of Chemical Weapons.

In other words Air Strikes to decapitate Assad's Regime. Ought to get interesting if Assad shoots back. By the way there's a Russian warship off the Syrian coast that will be giving early warning of incoming missiles and aircraft, so it looks like some of the cruise missiles will come in the Back Door from Turkey. Turkey is apparently going to allow the use of Incirlik Air Base

Yeah, good thing Turkey and Syria aren't on the best of terms these days.

Now this type of cruise missile could destroy chemical weapons in their Bunkers

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdu_fLb8ISc...du_fLb8ISc

No concerns about collateral damage? If Assad is half as smart and devious as he seems, he'd locate the bunkers where the prevailing winds would blow the smoke (and chemical agents) over the population. Blowing them up in that way would help Assad.

Then he could blame Obama and the U.S. and the few in the region who don't already hate the U.S. could get on the bandwagon.

Of course, we need intel to know where the bunkers are. I have to wonder if we don't already have assets on the ground trying to ascertain that.

(08-28-2013 06:28 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  No concerns about collateral damage? If Assad is half as smart and devious as he seems, he'd locate the bunkers where the prevailing winds would blow the smoke (and chemical agents) over the population. Blowing them up in that way would help Assad.

Then he could blame Obama and the U.S. and the few in the region who don't already hate the U.S. could get on the bandwagon.

Of course, we need intel to know where the bunkers are. I have to wonder if we don't already have assets on the ground trying to ascertain that.

At some point, accomplishing the mission has to take priority over worries about collateral damage. That's been our problem. We let concerns about collateral damage trump getting the job done. The first time we don't, it won't be pretty. The second time we don't? There probably won't be a need for a second time.

These chemical weapons were probably in Iraq.

(08-28-2013 06:55 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  These chemical weapons were probably in Iraq.

Very likely possibility.

A war at our time and choosing and we left one of their major weapon depots unguarded for weeks

Damn, this really sucks for all those Iraqi refugess that have relocated to Syria over the last decade. Those no luck folks just can't catch a break.

(08-28-2013 06:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 06:55 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  These chemical weapons were probably in Iraq.

Very likely possibility.

So would that vindicate Bush on the whole WMD thingy?

(08-29-2013 11:08 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 06:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 06:55 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  These chemical weapons were probably in Iraq.

Very likely possibility.

So would that vindicate Bush on the whole WMD thingy?

OH LARDY!

(08-29-2013 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Damn, this really sucks for all those Iraqi refugess that have relocated to Syria over the last decade. Those no luck folks just can't catch a break.

If you are a refugee from anywhere and go to Syria of all places, then you were pretty ****** to begin with.

(08-23-2013 08:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-23-2013 08:34 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I fail to see how this is striking Syria serves our interests.

+1

Genocide has occurred before and we have done nothing. Our military resources are already spread thin let's not open another front.

That's exactly how I view this.