I think I am gonna go make a thread called "Syracuse vs UConn. Go!"

You guys have some serious issues going on up there in New England don't ya?

(08-19-2013 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think I am gonna go make a thread called "Syracuse vs UConn. Go!"

You guys have some serious issues going on up there in New England don't ya?

And my big brother can beat up your big brother...

(08-19-2013 07:46 PM)UHCougar07 Wrote:  I don't see how Card guy. Syracuse is non existent. I may have had on other conversation about that team in my lifetime and it had to do with conference realignment. Syracuse is nothing in football. UConn has at least been to the Fiesta bowl in recent years.

Thanks son...your depth of knowledge is very evident. BTW, Cuse actually won major New Year's Day bowl games and didn't back into one as a 4 loss team. You can tune into ABC on opening Saturday and educate yourself.

(08-19-2013 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think I am gonna go make a thread called "Syracuse vs UConn. Go!"

You guys have some serious issues going on up there in New England don't ya?

Hey New York is not a part of New England! We are mid Atlantic...

(08-19-2013 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think I am gonna go make a thread called "Syracuse vs UConn. Go!"

You guys have some serious issues going on up there in New England don't ya?

As a hardcore, bandwagon Rutgers fan your lack of geography of the Northeast is appalling. See if you can guess which school isn't in New England?

(08-19-2013 11:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think I am gonna go make a thread called "Syracuse vs UConn. Go!"

You guys have some serious issues going on up there in New England don't ya?

As a hardcore, bandwagon Rutgers fan your lack of geography of the Northeast is appalling. See if you can guess which school isn't in New England?

Hey now, no need to draw blood!

I do know the answer to your question though, but Im not going to answer it because I need to go get a band aid for that scratch.

(08-19-2013 11:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 11:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think I am gonna go make a thread called "Syracuse vs UConn. Go!"

You guys have some serious issues going on up there in New England don't ya?

As a hardcore, bandwagon Rutgers fan your lack of geography of the Northeast is appalling. See if you can guess which school isn't in New England?

Hey now, no need to draw blood!

I do know the answer to your question though, but Im not going to answer it because I need to go get a band aid for that scratch.

my claws are sharp.

(08-18-2013 09:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  And you never did answer my question from a couple of days ago. Do you think that the Acc could have gotten the recently announced deal with MSG, if Syracuse was still apart of the BE?

You are confusing MSG with NYC. MSG is a regional network which broadcasts in the Mid Atlantic, including all of Upstate NY and parts of New England.

MSG carries the Buffalo Sabers. Does that somehow tell us of the popularity of Buffalo's NHL team in NYC?

Clearly Syracuse helped bring the ACC the contract with MSG because of the interest upstate. I'm equally sure that it was the total package which creates interest in the NYC part of the market with the key members being Notre Dame, Duke, and BC as well as Miami football in addition to Syracuse. No single school brings the NYC market.

We'll have a better idea of which schools were key to the contract when we see which schools actually show up on the games being broadcast.

Clearly the ACC is trying to market itself as the conference of the East Coast, stretching from Boston to Miami. I expect that this package with a modest 23 basketball games and 10 football games is a trial balloon to see if the ACC + MSG is a viable partnership. We will all find out when the ratings come in.

This ACC marketing strategy is in serious jeopardy now that the Big Ten has moved into the Northeast with serious intent. The addition of Rutgers and Maryland to Penn State creates a formidable B1G presence in the NY - Washington corridor. The long term potential for the B1G in the Mid Atlantic market is far greater in combining the B1G inventory with that trio than is the ACC with Syracuse + Pitt in the remote upstate outposts of Syracuse in NY and Pittsburgh in PA. Notre Dame is the ACC's salvation in NYC and frankly I'll be very surprised if ND-ACC football games don't show up on that MSG schedule.

(08-19-2013 11:24 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 09:19 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 05:52 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  UConn's IMG contract is for $8 million a year, signed in 2008.

Syracuse's IMG contract is for $6 million a year, signed in 2013.

UConn therefore has the more powerful brand as measured by a company paid to make money on it.

IMG Merchandise Collegiate Ranking

If you aggregate those numbers you get some interesting findings:

SEC - Average 17, Range 2-58, not using IMG - Mississippi State
B12 - Average 21, Range 1-46, not using IMG - Baylor, K-State, Iowa State
B10 - Average 32, Range 4-67, not using IMG - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan State
ACC - Average 32, Range 3-57, not using IMG - NC State, Wake Forest
P12 - Average 38, Range 29-50, not using IMG - USC, Oregon

If you know a little about the schools not using IMG and can estimate where they should fall if they used IMG you get something akin to the following:

SEC - Average 19 (MSU est. in the low 50's)
B12 - Average 28 (Baylor, ISU, KSU est in the low 50's)
B10 - Average 29 (OSU est. 5, Indiana, 20, MSU, 25)
P12 - Average 35 (USC and Oregon est. low 20's)
ACC - Average 36 (NC State est. mid 40's, WF 75)


If you then look at the AAC numbers, their average is 58 but that's only with 6 schools having a report in the top 75 - Cincy is best at 48, then UConn at 53, ECU at 54 and the two Florida schools in the low 60's.

As far as recent conference additions over the last decade:

B10:

Neb - 14
Rutgers - 57
MD - 45

Average 38.7

ACC

ND -3
VT - 27
Syr - 31
Miami - 37
Pitt - 52
BC - 57

Average 34.5

SEC

TAMU - 12
Mizzou - 20

Average - 16

P12

Colorado - 50
Utah - 36

Average 43

B10

TCU - 46
West Va - 17

Average 31.5

Now, before you read too much into the numbers, you have to attempt to take into account the effects of competition in areas that have multiple schools crowded together or bunched with professional franchises versus those that are somewhat the only game in town - however one thing is clear, it's good to be a State school in a southern state.

Syracuse- 31 Uconn -53

Those are the only 2 numbers that matter in this discussion between us.

(08-19-2013 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think I am gonna go make a thread called "Syracuse vs UConn. Go!"

You guys have some serious issues going on up there in New England don't ya?

Uconn and Syracuse had a nice little hotly contested rivalry in the BE. Thats why you see Uconn fans constantly trying to discredit anything that anybody says that is positive about SU, even if it was a non SU fan who said it. This thread is a good example. It wasnt about Syracuse.

But to be fare, I understand Uconn fans plight and I might be a little bitter too, if SU and Uconns roles were reversed.

(08-20-2013 04:08 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  snip

We'll have a better idea of which schools were key to the contract when we see which schools actually show up on the games being broadcast.

Clearly the ACC is trying to market itself as the conference of the East Coast, stretching from Boston to Miami. I expect that this package with a modest 23 basketball games and 10 football games is a trial balloon to see if the ACC + MSG is a viable partnership. We will all find out when the ratings come in.

This ACC marketing strategy is in serious jeopardy now that the Big Ten has moved into the Northeast with serious intent. The addition of Rutgers and Maryland to Penn State creates a formidable B1G presence in the NY - Washington corridor. The long term potential for the B1G in the Mid Atlantic market is far greater in combining the B1G inventory with that trio than is the ACC with Syracuse + Pitt in the remote upstate outposts of Syracuse in NY and Pittsburgh in PA. Notre Dame is the ACC's salvation in NYC and frankly I'll be very surprised if ND-ACC football games don't show up on that MSG schedule.

While I get that past performance should never be the sole indicator of future returns why do you feel that PSU/Rutgers/MD will trump ND/'Cuse/BC in the NE? If PSU wanted into the NYC area they didn't need to wait for Rutgers to join the B1G. The same is true for the DC area. UMD having PSU and OSU on the schedule won't help sell out Byrd Stadium.

As you've stated, the battle is really over carriage fees and having a compelling enough package to get broad based access. But in the heavily pro teams markets in question, I'm not sure it really matters as I think there is very little to expand into.

(08-19-2013 10:57 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 07:46 PM)UHCougar07 Wrote:  I don't see how Card guy. Syracuse is non existent. I may have had on other conversation about that team in my lifetime and it had to do with conference realignment. Syracuse is nothing in football. UConn has at least been to the Fiesta bowl in recent years.

Thanks son...your depth of knowledge is very evident. BTW, Cuse actually won major New Year's Day bowl games and didn't back into one as a 4 loss team. You can tune into ABC on opening Saturday and educate yourself.

I would heed your advice, but I couldn't be less interested.

(08-20-2013 06:34 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think I am gonna go make a thread called "Syracuse vs UConn. Go!"

You guys have some serious issues going on up there in New England don't ya?

Uconn and Syracuse had a nice little hotly contested rivalry in the BE. Thats why you see Uconn fans constantly trying to discredit anything that anybody says that is positive about SU, even if it was a non SU fan who said it. This thread is a good example. It wasnt about Syracuse.

But to be fare, I understand Uconn fans plight and I might be a little bitter too, if SU and Uconns roles were reversed.

To be fair, it was Syracuse fans who inexplicably turned this into a comparison of SU and UConn.

Seems as though the Orange fans are feeling a little insecure these days.

(08-20-2013 07:44 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 04:08 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  snip

We'll have a better idea of which schools were key to the contract when we see which schools actually show up on the games being broadcast.

Clearly the ACC is trying to market itself as the conference of the East Coast, stretching from Boston to Miami. I expect that this package with a modest 23 basketball games and 10 football games is a trial balloon to see if the ACC + MSG is a viable partnership. We will all find out when the ratings come in.

This ACC marketing strategy is in serious jeopardy now that the Big Ten has moved into the Northeast with serious intent. The addition of Rutgers and Maryland to Penn State creates a formidable B1G presence in the NY - Washington corridor. The long term potential for the B1G in the Mid Atlantic market is far greater in combining the B1G inventory with that trio than is the ACC with Syracuse + Pitt in the remote upstate outposts of Syracuse in NY and Pittsburgh in PA. Notre Dame is the ACC's salvation in NYC and frankly I'll be very surprised if ND-ACC football games don't show up on that MSG schedule.

While I get that past performance should never be the sole indicator of future returns why do you feel that PSU/Rutgers/MD will trump ND/'Cuse/BC in the NE? If PSU wanted into the NYC area they didn't need to wait for Rutgers to join the B1G. The same is true for the DC area. UMD having PSU and OSU on the schedule won't help sell out Byrd Stadium.

As you've stated, the battle is really over carriage fees and having a compelling enough package to get broad based access. But in the heavily pro teams markets in question, I'm not sure it really matters as I think there is very little to expand into.

Location. Location. Location.

Penn State will now not only be the college team with the 2nd highest TV ratings in NYC behind ND, but they will actually be playing games in NJ and MD. Big difference between getting TV ratings and actually having market presence. In contrast, Syracuse & Pitt are hundreds of miles away from the big Mid Atlantic cities.

I think Pitt is pretty close to Pittsburgh, which a nice sized city.

(08-21-2013 08:10 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Location. Location. Location.

Penn State will now not only be the college team with the 2nd highest TV ratings in NYC behind ND, but they will actually be playing games in NJ and MD. Big difference between getting TV ratings and actually having market presence. In contrast, Syracuse & Pitt are hundreds of miles away from the big Mid Atlantic cities.

Melky...if you are in the Tri-state area or Upstate NY and have Time Warner you can watch Syracuse play four preseason games over the next 4 days against Canadian Teams up in Canada.

I think CH 197 downstate...or you can order it as Pay Per View.

I know how you think Cuse doesn't resonate anywhere but Onondaga County. Hmmm I don't see any other schools doing this in the NYC area.


http://www.suathletics.com/news/2013/8/1...81913.aspx

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball...cart_river

(08-21-2013 08:10 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:44 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 04:08 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  snip

We'll have a better idea of which schools were key to the contract when we see which schools actually show up on the games being broadcast.

Clearly the ACC is trying to market itself as the conference of the East Coast, stretching from Boston to Miami. I expect that this package with a modest 23 basketball games and 10 football games is a trial balloon to see if the ACC + MSG is a viable partnership. We will all find out when the ratings come in.

This ACC marketing strategy is in serious jeopardy now that the Big Ten has moved into the Northeast with serious intent. The addition of Rutgers and Maryland to Penn State creates a formidable B1G presence in the NY - Washington corridor. The long term potential for the B1G in the Mid Atlantic market is far greater in combining the B1G inventory with that trio than is the ACC with Syracuse + Pitt in the remote upstate outposts of Syracuse in NY and Pittsburgh in PA. Notre Dame is the ACC's salvation in NYC and frankly I'll be very surprised if ND-ACC football games don't show up on that MSG schedule.

While I get that past performance should never be the sole indicator of future returns why do you feel that PSU/Rutgers/MD will trump ND/'Cuse/BC in the NE? If PSU wanted into the NYC area they didn't need to wait for Rutgers to join the B1G. The same is true for the DC area. UMD having PSU and OSU on the schedule won't help sell out Byrd Stadium.

As you've stated, the battle is really over carriage fees and having a compelling enough package to get broad based access. But in the heavily pro teams markets in question, I'm not sure it really matters as I think there is very little to expand into.

Location. Location. Location.

Penn State will now not only be the college team with the 2nd highest TV ratings in NYC behind ND, but they will actually be playing games in NJ and MD. Big difference between getting TV ratings and actually having market presence. In contrast, Syracuse & Pitt are hundreds of miles away from the big Mid Atlantic cities.

Maybe. But it's not like PSU is moving from Happy Valley to Yonkers though. And IMO, unless NY State allows one of the SUNY's to be the flagship univ. like UConn or Rutgers, college football won't ever be a passionate diversion in that area of the country.

I'm not doubting the B1G won't make money in these new markets. But I don't expect in 20 years that Rutgers will be the next Ohio State or that one could go to NYC and see tons of Nittany Lion gear.

(08-21-2013 09:40 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 08:10 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:44 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 04:08 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  snip

We'll have a better idea of which schools were key to the contract when we see which schools actually show up on the games being broadcast.

Clearly the ACC is trying to market itself as the conference of the East Coast, stretching from Boston to Miami. I expect that this package with a modest 23 basketball games and 10 football games is a trial balloon to see if the ACC + MSG is a viable partnership. We will all find out when the ratings come in.

This ACC marketing strategy is in serious jeopardy now that the Big Ten has moved into the Northeast with serious intent. The addition of Rutgers and Maryland to Penn State creates a formidable B1G presence in the NY - Washington corridor. The long term potential for the B1G in the Mid Atlantic market is far greater in combining the B1G inventory with that trio than is the ACC with Syracuse + Pitt in the remote upstate outposts of Syracuse in NY and Pittsburgh in PA. Notre Dame is the ACC's salvation in NYC and frankly I'll be very surprised if ND-ACC football games don't show up on that MSG schedule.

While I get that past performance should never be the sole indicator of future returns why do you feel that PSU/Rutgers/MD will trump ND/'Cuse/BC in the NE? If PSU wanted into the NYC area they didn't need to wait for Rutgers to join the B1G. The same is true for the DC area. UMD having PSU and OSU on the schedule won't help sell out Byrd Stadium.

As you've stated, the battle is really over carriage fees and having a compelling enough package to get broad based access. But in the heavily pro teams markets in question, I'm not sure it really matters as I think there is very little to expand into.

Location. Location. Location.

Penn State will now not only be the college team with the 2nd highest TV ratings in NYC behind ND, but they will actually be playing games in NJ and MD. Big difference between getting TV ratings and actually having market presence. In contrast, Syracuse & Pitt are hundreds of miles away from the big Mid Atlantic cities.

Maybe. But it's not like PSU is moving from Happy Valley to Yonkers though. And IMO, unless NY State allows one of the SUNY's to be the flagship univ. like UConn or Rutgers, college football won't ever be a passionate diversion in that area of the country.

I'm not doubting the B1G won't make money in these new markets. But I don't expect in 20 years that Rutgers will be the next Ohio State or that one could go to NYC and see tons of Nittany Lion gear.

Given the progress Rutgers has made in the last 20 years, anything is possible in the next 20 years. c

(08-21-2013 09:12 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I think Pitt is pretty close to Pittsburgh, which a nice sized city.

(08-21-2013 09:28 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 08:10 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Location. Location. Location.

Penn State will now not only be the college team with the 2nd highest TV ratings in NYC behind ND, but they will actually be playing games in NJ and MD. Big difference between getting TV ratings and actually having market presence. In contrast, Syracuse & Pitt are hundreds of miles away from the big Mid Atlantic cities.

Melky...if you are in the Tri-state area or Upstate NY and have Time Warner you can watch Syracuse play four preseason games over the next 4 days against Canadian Teams up in Canada.

I think CH 197 downstate...or you can order it as Pay Per View.

I know how you think Cuse doesn't resonate anywhere but Onondaga County. Hmmm I don't see any other schools doing this in the NYC area.


http://www.suathletics.com/news/2013/8/1...81913.aspx

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball...cart_river

Utica,Elmira,Syracuse,Schectady are likely big for syracuse

Are Buffalo,Rochester,albany and binghamton big for syracuse?

Maybe Troy and Plattsburgh and Cortland?