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(08-22-2013 04:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 09:57 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
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(08-21-2013 06:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  None. I don't pull for any conferences, I pull for individual teams.

This. I find the conference pride thing kind of odd. I wish ECU could realistically operate as an Independent. Sadly those days are long gone.


Obviously, I agree with you and find it odd.

Why anyone would care about another team in a certain sports grouping/collective other than the team they follow/cheer for escapes me.

If I were an Indiana University fan, for instance, why would I care that Ohio State won a bowl or a championship? What good would that do me or Indiana?

I don't get it at all, never have.

I am a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. I don't chant "AFC North, AFC North" if the Ravens are playing.

I root for the Ravens and Bengals to lose every time.

The same in baseball. I root for the Pirates. I could care less about the Cardinals or Reds winning a playoff game or the World Series.

I sure have never chanted "NL Central, NL Central" these past 15 years or so, I can tell you that.........

TerryD,

I understand what you're saying, but there's a key difference that I think even you would begrudgingly agree with: competing for a national championship in football highly (if not directly) depends upon *who* you beat (and even in basketball, this matters a ton for seeding and at-large bids in the NCAA Tournament) and for all but less than a handful of teams, that means your conference. As long as that's the case, you logically need your opponents to play well enough so that if/when you beat them, those wins will get the requisite respect (both in the human polls and computer metrics) even if you otherwise despise those opponents at an emotional level in every other way. The strength of the SEC was absolutely the difference between Alabama getting into the national championship game over Oklahoma State in 2011 and LSU getting into the national championship game over a slew of 2-loss teams in 2007. Those are direct instances where being in the better conference mattered when it came down to comparing teams with the same records, and this is going to be exacerbated in the new 4-team playoff era. As a result, the strength of your conference has become very critical in the BCS era and fans have reacted in their rational best interests accordingly (where SEC fans now realize that it's in their own teams' best interests for other SEC teams to win and so on and so forth with every other conference). You grew up in a very different era where the mere thought of wanting one of your rivals to win was insanity, but the cold hard logic of today's world says that you want (or more accurately, need) everyone on your schedule to be as good as possible when you end up playing them.

This is much different than pro sports, where strength of schedule and the perceived reputation of the NL Central or AFC North in the minds of a bunch of sportswriters and coaches that vote in a poll have zero bearing on whether the Pirates or Steelers make it to the playoffs. There is no logical reason for you to want to see the Ravens play well, but Notre Dame does receive a very direct boost if schools that I presume that you hate old school style (i.e. Michigan and USC) end up with gaudy records. This is taken even further when you're in a conference and always seeing the same opponents.


Not really, Frank. You may have just picked bad examples.

After ND beat Michigan last year, I hardly bothered to see how they did the rest of the season. How did they finish? I still don't know.

After ND beat Southern Cal, I really enjoyed the Sun Bowl and the fact that the Trojans finished 6-7. (Yes, I do know how Southern Cal finished). :)

I pretty much want ND's "hate old school" opponents like Michigan and Southern Cal to lose every game they play, including the ones against the Irish.

I view them as direct competitors for recruits and want them to do poorly.

I love Lane Kiffin and the fact that ND has beaten Southern Cal the last two trips to Los Angeles.

I never saw or heard of any Trojan and Wolverine fans lamenting that ND was down under Willingham and Weis and pulling for the Irish to win more games . :)

If ND were in the ACC, I would want them to become good enough to win big and let the chips fall.

I wouldn't care how FSU or Clemson did or even pull for them.

Hell, I would view them as direct competition and hope they lose
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(08-22-2013 04:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 09:57 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 07:14 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 06:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  None. I don't pull for any conferences, I pull for individual teams.

This. I find the conference pride thing kind of odd. I wish ECU could realistically operate as an Independent. Sadly those days are long gone.


Obviously, I agree with you and find it odd.

Why anyone would care about another team in a certain sports grouping/collective other than the team they follow/cheer for escapes me.

If I were an Indiana University fan, for instance, why would I care that Ohio State won a bowl or a championship? What good would that do me or Indiana?

I don't get it at all, never have.

I am a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. I don't chant "AFC North, AFC North" if the Ravens are playing.

I root for the Ravens and Bengals to lose every time.

The same in baseball. I root for the Pirates. I could care less about the Cardinals or Reds winning a playoff game or the World Series.

I sure have never chanted "NL Central, NL Central" these past 15 years or so, I can tell you that.........

TerryD,

I understand what you're saying, but there's a key difference that I think even you would begrudgingly agree with: competing for a national championship in football highly (if not directly) depends upon *who* you beat (and even in basketball, this matters a ton for seeding and at-large bids in the NCAA Tournament) and for all but less than a handful of teams, that means your conference. As long as that's the case, you logically need your opponents to play well enough so that if/when you beat them, those wins will get the requisite respect (both in the human polls and computer metrics) even if you otherwise despise those opponents at an emotional level in every other way. The strength of the SEC was absolutely the difference between Alabama getting into the national championship game over Oklahoma State in 2011 and LSU getting into the national championship game over a slew of 2-loss teams in 2007. Those are direct instances where being in the better conference mattered when it came down to comparing teams with the same records, and this is going to be exacerbated in the new 4-team playoff era. As a result, the strength of your conference has become very critical in the BCS era and fans have reacted in their rational best interests accordingly (where SEC fans now realize that it's in their own teams' best interests for other SEC teams to win and so on and so forth with every other conference). You grew up in a very different era where the mere thought of wanting one of your rivals to win was insanity, but the cold hard logic of today's world says that you want (or more accurately, need) everyone on your schedule to be as good as possible when you end up playing them.

This is much different than pro sports, where strength of schedule and the perceived reputation of the NL Central or AFC North in the minds of a bunch of sportswriters and coaches that vote in a poll have zero bearing on whether the Pirates or Steelers make it to the playoffs. There is no logical reason for you to want to see the Ravens play well, but Notre Dame does receive a very direct boost if schools that I presume that you hate old school style (i.e. Michigan and USC) end up with gaudy records. This is taken even further when you're in a conference and always seeing the same opponents.

Exactly. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
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(08-22-2013 04:18 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I, and most UConn fans were full of Big East pride. It is what it is, but was also a regional thing for most of us I think. We didn't want southern, midwestern, or western schools to win anything over our eastern brethren. Those days are gone now though, at least for me, for now.

Yeah, I think that it depends upon history and how strong the bonds are within a conference. That's why it's no accident that the Big Ten and SEC have long been considered to be the most powerful conferences off-the-field (even before the current explosion in TV contracts). The more attributes that you have in common (i.e. similar students profiles, close geography, similar institutional profiles, common population centers where alumni live, etc.), the stronger the bond for your conference. The very strongest conferences are an inherent part of the identity of their members - this is certainly the case for the Big Ten schools (and even more so for the most prestigious conference of them all: the Ivy League).

For displaced schools like UConn or fans of strivers like ECU or Boise State, I can definitely understand that conference membership (at least post-Big East split) has little bearing on their identities because their respective conferences are really scheduling arrangements as opposed to true institutional groupings with multiple commonalities.

The point is that different conferences are going to have different bonds. I like TerryD a lot, but in the college football context, he's kind of like your one single bachelor friend that keeps telling everyone else that's married that the institution of marriage is inherently stupid, we were way more fun years ago when we were single/independent, he's never going to get married because there's no point to attachments and that the rest of us have been duped by BIG WEDDING. So, he seems to have the position that the dynamics of all conference relationships are the same in a strictly utilitarian manner, which couldn't be any further from the truth. That's like saying that the dynamics of all friendships or romantic relationships among all people are the same. Fans of Big Ten or SEC schools are going to have a heck of a lot different emotions toward their conferences compared to fans of the AAC schools.
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(08-21-2013 09:57 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 07:14 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 06:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  None. I don't pull for any conferences, I pull for individual teams.

This. I find the conference pride thing kind of odd. I wish ECU could realistically operate as an Independent. Sadly those days are long gone.


Obviously, I agree with you and find it odd.

Why anyone would care about another team in a certain sports grouping/collective other than the team they follow/cheer for escapes me.

If I were an Indiana University fan, for instance, why would I care that Ohio State won a bowl or a championship? What good would that do me or Indiana?

I don't get it at all, never have.

I am a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. I don't chant "AFC North, AFC North" if the Ravens are playing.

I root for the Ravens and Bengals to lose every time.

The same in baseball. I root for the Pirates. I could care less about the Cardinals or Reds winning a playoff game or the World Series.

I sure have never chanted "NL Central, NL Central" these past 15 years or so, I can tell you that.........

One day, when your (Norte Dame's) situation changes, you will develop a different attitude. 04-cheers
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(08-22-2013 04:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The strength of the SEC was absolutely the difference between Alabama getting into the national championship game over Oklahoma State in 2011 and LSU getting into the national championship game over a slew of 2-loss teams in 2007.

Except Oklahoma State had the better SOS ranking at the end of the regular season for most rankings.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2011/12/final...-rankings/

Ok St appears in the top 10 SOS rankings for 4 of the methods. Alabama only appears twice with one of them only based on their opponents win %.

Let's not kid ourselves, Oklahoma State got screwed due to $EC bia$. No offense to our SEC posters here. I'm not going to do the research for 2007 but I'd expect to see a similar result.

If by "strength" you mean name brand and box office strength I agree with you.
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(08-22-2013 04:45 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(08-22-2013 04:18 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I, and most UConn fans were full of Big East pride. It is what it is, but was also a regional thing for most of us I think. We didn't want southern, midwestern, or western schools to win anything over our eastern brethren. Those days are gone now though, at least for me, for now.

Yeah, I think that it depends upon history and how strong the bonds are within a conference. That's why it's no accident that the Big Ten and SEC have long been considered to be the most powerful conferences off-the-field (even before the current explosion in TV contracts). The more attributes that you have in common (i.e. similar students profiles, close geography, similar institutional profiles, common population centers where alumni live, etc.), the stronger the bond for your conference. The very strongest conferences are an inherent part of the identity of their members - this is certainly the case for the Big Ten schools (and even more so for the most prestigious conference of them all: the Ivy League).

For displaced schools like UConn or fans of strivers like ECU or Boise State, I can definitely understand that conference membership (at least post-Big East split) has little bearing on their identities because their respective conferences are really scheduling arrangements as opposed to true institutional groupings with multiple commonalities.

The point is that different conferences are going to have different bonds. I like TerryD a lot, but in the college football context, he's kind of like your one single bachelor friend that keeps telling everyone else that's married that the institution of marriage is inherently stupid, we were way more fun years ago when we were single/independent, he's never going to get married because there's no point to attachments and that the rest of us have been duped by BIG WEDDING. So, he seems to have the position that the dynamics of all conference relationships are the same in a strictly utilitarian manner, which couldn't be any further from the truth. That's like saying that the dynamics of all friendships or romantic relationships among all people are the same. Fans of Big Ten or SEC schools are going to have a heck of a lot different emotions toward their conferences compared to fans of the AAC schools.

(08-22-2013 05:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 09:57 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 07:14 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 06:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  None. I don't pull for any conferences, I pull for individual teams.

This. I find the conference pride thing kind of odd. I wish ECU could realistically operate as an Independent. Sadly those days are long gone.


Obviously, I agree with you and find it odd.

Why anyone would care about another team in a certain sports grouping/collective other than the team they follow/cheer for escapes me.

If I were an Indiana University fan, for instance, why would I care that Ohio State won a bowl or a championship? What good would that do me or Indiana?

I don't get it at all, never have.

I am a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. I don't chant "AFC North, AFC North" if the Ravens are playing.

I root for the Ravens and Bengals to lose every time.

The same in baseball. I root for the Pirates. I could care less about the Cardinals or Reds winning a playoff game or the World Series.

I sure have never chanted "NL Central, NL Central" these past 15 years or so, I can tell you that.........

One day, when your (Norte Dame's) situation changes, you will develop a different attitude. 04-cheers


Lol, that is not a bad analogy, Frank.

But I view it a little differently.

In the conference context, I am not telling married friends that they are being duped or are stupid.

Whatever other people want to do is their own business.

I am saying that I don't care who is married to whom, I just prefer to stay single (in a football context, in case my wife sees this). :)
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I think having conference interests makes college sports more fun. If I just root for my own team, that's only one game a week of interest.

Adding conferences in there, I can find several interesting games to watch where I can root for or against somebody.
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(08-22-2013 02:23 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-21-2013 10:06 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  PAC12 is my drug of choice for all sports:)

My #2 in Basketball has been the Big East hands down, but recent events and realignments may change that opinion in the future.
My #2 in Football Is the BIG, Tradition that's it and that's all. There is something about the rivalries in that conference that just do it for me.

I have to ask: how do you like UW and WSU at the same time? I was in Seattle (GREAT city) the other day and I saw a lot of WSU gear, so you're not alone. I wasn't expecting that. What's the deal?

Well being up in the NW most people feel kind of isolated and disrespected by the rest of the country. which is completely unfounded i'm sure but we feel it all the same. So even though I love my huskies I have a soft spot in my heart for our red headed step child east of the mountains. It is kind of a "us against the world mentality". Plus when your rival is good and you are able to beat them it kind of validates you and your place in the football world. So yes I root for the cougs but when they play UW I want to see the Huskies kick there heads in. I'm a complicated man
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(08-22-2013 04:18 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I, and most UConn fans were full of Big East pride. It is what it is, but was also a regional thing for most of us I think. We didn't want southern, midwestern, or western schools to win anything over our eastern brethren. Those days are gone now though, at least for me, for now.

It is a shame what happened to the Big East and Northeast college football. I would have loved to see this come to fruition:

Pitt
Temple (with proper investment)
Penn State
BC
UConn
Rutgers
West Virginia
Maryland

I think in 10-15 years we'll see another big wave of realignment with conferences realizing TV sets didn't mean much in light of killing rivalries and relevant opponents. I see conferences "trimming the fat" and working towards a bit of geographic consolidation. The value of superconferences is inflated in my opinion. Hopefully then an Eastern conference is born
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I had a favorite conference, but the ACC (with ESPiN's backing) saw fit to rob it blind, burn it to the ground and piss on its ashes. Just because they could. So I don't have a favorite conference, or a 2nd favorite conference. Screw them all, especially the ACC!!!
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It's funny, I still detest the B1G (but thanks for all the dinero, jerks), and I don't think of the AAC as being a conference so much as a collection of college sports properties strung together by network execs to get good content on the cheap, so I guess my favorite conference is still the Big East and my second favorite is the MAC because the MAC is apple pie and America and rooting for the MAC is just the decent thing to do as a college football fan.
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I voted Big 12. I love the round robin play in football with a traditional championship.

The MAC would be a close 2nd.
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(08-22-2013 04:29 PM)TerryD Wrote:  If ND were in the ACC, I would want them to become good enough to win big and let the chips fall.

I wouldn't care how FSU or Clemson did or even pull for them.

Hell, I would view them as direct competition and hope they lose

Exactly. Everything good that happens to another ACC team is bad for Clemson since we are competing with them for conference championships. I have never understood how someone who wants the best for their team would pull for their biggest competitors.
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My favorite was when CUSA had UC, UoL and Memphis in it.

My second would be the old BE once it added FB.

Not much of a fan of the new line up at all - it is what it is.

I will watch my teams play - that's it. I will be playing golf or fishing during other college games and waiting for the NFL and Nascar on Sundays.
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(08-22-2013 11:53 PM)justinslot Wrote:  It's funny, I still detest the B1G (but thanks for all the dinero, jerks), and I don't think of the AAC as being a conference so much as a collection of college sports properties strung together by network execs to get good content on the cheap, so I guess my favorite conference is still the Big East and my second favorite is the MAC because the MAC is apple pie and America and rooting for the MAC is just the decent thing to do as a college football fan.

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MWC for me. I kind of root for them to compete with the bigs boys
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(08-23-2013 01:18 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-22-2013 04:29 PM)TerryD Wrote:  If ND were in the ACC, I would want them to become good enough to win big and let the chips fall.

I wouldn't care how FSU or Clemson did or even pull for them.

Hell, I would view them as direct competition and hope they lose

Exactly. Everything good that happens to another ACC team is bad for Clemson since we are competing with them for conference championships. I have never understood how someone who wants the best for their team would pull for their biggest competitors.

because the SEC has proven that way works better.
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Should do a least favorite. I think SEC would get a much bigger slice of that pie.
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