(08-21-2013 04:04 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:27 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  That avatar trips me out. Uncle Sam meets the joker?

Pretty much. It's Captain Spaulding.

devils rejects b*tches
rob zombie is a personal hero

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 08:59 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 09:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 03:51 PM)gotem Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 03:34 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Johnny Jones would have done a good job here. Not a great job like Cal did, but no one else would have either. Cal screwed it all up by gambling on Derrick Rose so he could take a shot at a national championship. All that doesn't matter anyway. We got a better man.

How did he gamble on Rose? The NCAA cleared him to play...then declared him ineligible.

Who do you think arranged for Derrick to take the college test in MICHIGAN??

Don't start that. He was cleared to play by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Story over.

Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 08:59 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 09:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 03:51 PM)gotem Wrote:  How did he gamble on Rose? The NCAA cleared him to play...then declared him ineligible.

Who do you think arranged for Derrick to take the college test in MICHIGAN??

Don't start that. He was cleared to play by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Story over.

Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 08:59 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 09:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Who do you think arranged for Derrick to take the college test in MICHIGAN??

Don't start that. He was cleared to play by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Story over.

Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

I wasn't even referring to that; if the NCAA said he's good to go, he's good to go. I despise our former coach and would love to pin this on him, but I can't.

(08-21-2013 11:35 PM)Slamdunk Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 09:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 03:51 PM)gotem Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 03:34 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Johnny Jones would have done a good job here. Not a great job like Cal did, but no one else would have either. Cal screwed it all up by gambling on Derrick Rose so he could take a shot at a national championship. All that doesn't matter anyway. We got a better man.

How did he gamble on Rose? The NCAA cleared him to play...then declared him ineligible.

Who do you think arranged for Derrick to take the college test in MICHIGAN??

World Wide Wes?

If there were any fraud going on, I would bet on his brother(s) or someone else around Rose. I'm sure that Calipari is hardly unaware of the mounds of academic fraud going on around college athletics. And I doubt that he really cares about the high school academic achievements of his recruits so long as they get to campus. But I also doubt that he would directly involve himself in anything like that because he's smart enough to keep his hands clean.

The people around Rose are really the ones that had a vested interest in making sure that he played college basketball instead of getting lost overseas in order to make sure his draft stock stayed high.

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 08:59 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 09:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Who do you think arranged for Derrick to take the college test in MICHIGAN??

Don't start that. He was cleared to play by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Story over.

Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

I know of at least 3 high profile Memphians who had the test taken for them, and 3 more from outside the city. It does and can happen.

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  ....
Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

See ( http://www.inquisitr.com/162106/20-test-...g-scandal/ )

Quote:In one of the first arrests it was determined that a student had taken the SAT for at least six different students, each student paid $3,500 to ace the test. Despite being a male the test taker even managed to take the SAT for a female on one occasion.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/162106/20-test-...tovfLfS.99

And see ( http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...fraud.html )

Quote:It is estimated that every year, the College Board flags 2,500 cases of scores that look suspect. After further investigation, approximately 1,000 of those cases result in the students’ test scores being “withheld.” (As policy, the Board doesn’t accuse kids of cheating; it just refuses to send the suspect scores to colleges—at least not without a giant scarlet asterisk.)

Quote:Schaeffer explains that in the 1990s and into the early 2000s, impersonation was a bigger problem among athletes who needed to get a certain SAT score in order to qualify for athletic scholarships. More than a handful of these college hopefuls were aided by unscrupulous coaches or agents.

“Ironically, it was sometimes a competing coach from a college that was unsuccessful in recruiting the player who blew the whistle.”

Scott Gomer, a spokesman for the College Board’s arch-rival, the ACT, refused to specify how many test scores his organization suspects are less than kosher. But the once much-smaller ACT now rivals the College Board in terms of the number of high school kids who take the dreaded exams every year. The ACT’s Gomer confirmed that “external” whistleblowers were one of the main sources of flagging suspected cheaters. That group includes not just jilted coaches, but the NCAA compliance people (when they’re not chasing down boosters and jersey-selling players), college admission officers, and high school guidance counselors as well.

I would imagine the smart thing to do these days would be to have the athlete sit and pay off the proctor to swap out tests with someone else sitting for the test.

Very good Briskbas, proctor has or needs to be involved.

Scandleous

(08-21-2013 01:43 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:06 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  Pastner inherited a Ferrari of a program (built by Cal) and a somewhat depleted roster.

A Ferrari of a program?


Let's see, he had no incoming signees as they all left to go to KY with greaseball or some other school. Also a couple players did not return and he he had less than enough players to fill the bench. In just a few short months he had a team that kept the ship from sinking.

He has improved every year since taking over and has become one of the best recruiters in the game today. As for not winning most or all of the big games or post season games, well that is about to change.

All of the Top 25 high profile games we lost, ie Arizona, Kansas, Georgetown, Louisville, Syracuse and others could have easily gone our way just as easily as they unfortunately did not. A couple of those we got beat pretty well. But none of these were we really expected to win by most accounts anyway. And we had some growing pains and lost to some C-USA teams we ere expected to beat handily. Sucks but it happens even to the best.
Last year we broke the barrier and won a post season game winning over St. Mary's.

And if we do as well this season and in the next years to come as most of us anticipate, the first four years will seem like a very short time frame.

Memphis is lucky to have CJP now, and will be lucky to have him for long term. Here's to being lucky for a long, long time. GTG

Everybody says Cal inherited a mess. It was because the former coach (Price, not Jones) was and idiot. Cal inherited Kelly Wise, Shannon and Courtney (sorry I can't remember their last names). Josh inherited Willie Kemp, Doneal Mack and Pierre Niles. Williams wasn't on campus at the time. Cal said once that when he told a fellow coach he was taking the Memphis job, Cal said (of Wise) "I might just have another Marcus Camby". That turned out not to be true but at least he was thought to be that good. No one thought Coleman was gonna be like that; maybe a "Joey Dorsey with offense" as some said.

SMH

(08-22-2013 11:38 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 08:59 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Don't start that. He was cleared to play by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Story over.

Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

I wasn't even referring to that; if the NCAA said he's good to go, he's good to go. I despise our former coach and would love to pin this on him, but I can't.

I can. This same former coach was able to get Bledsoe cleared.

Let's sum up Eric Bledsoe getting qualified. (This is going off of memory a bit)

In his first 3 years in High school, Bledsoe never makes an "A".

He then attends Parker high school his senior year. He also takes an online class and a night class.

In his online class, he scores an "A" in biology, which replaced the "D" he made in the class before.

The night time class was a real winner. He makes an "A" in Algebra III. Good for him, right? Well wait. Bledsoe, who had never made an "A" prior to his senior year, has suddenly become Einsteins bi tch. Not only does he score an "A" in Algebra III, but he also scores an "A" in Algebra II taken at the same time during the day at school. That's right, he aces both ALgebra II & III while taking them at the same time. And if you believe that is impressive, keep in mind that the little genius scored a "D" in Algebra I prior to his senior year.

(08-22-2013 11:49 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 08:59 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Don't start that. He was cleared to play by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Story over.

Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

I know of at least 3 high profile Memphians who had the test taken for them, and 3 more from outside the city. It does and can happen.

It blows my mind that people conveniently forget that we got a letter from NCAA alerting us that there may be a "problem" with his eligibility. Instead of sitting him out while we investigated (like a program with any integrity would have done) we chose to bury the letter.

(08-22-2013 11:49 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 08:59 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Don't start that. He was cleared to play by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Story over.

Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

I know of at least 3 high profile Memphians who had the test taken for them, and 3 more from outside the city. It does and can happen.

It blows my mind that people conveniently forget that we got a letter from NCAA alerting us that there may be a "problem" with his eligibility. Instead of sitting him out while we investigated (like a program with any integrity would have done) we chose to bury the letter.

(08-22-2013 12:40 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:49 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

I know of at least 3 high profile Memphians who had the test taken for them, and 3 more from outside the city. It does and can happen.

It blows my mind that people conveniently forget that we got a letter from NCAA alerting us that there may be a "problem" with his eligibility. Instead of sitting him out while we investigated (like a program with any integrity would have done) we chose to bury the letter.

We took our shot just like Auburn did with Cam. We just missed our free throws.

(08-22-2013 12:41 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 12:40 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:49 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

I know of at least 3 high profile Memphians who had the test taken for them, and 3 more from outside the city. It does and can happen.

It blows my mind that people conveniently forget that we got a letter from NCAA alerting us that there may be a "problem" with his eligibility. Instead of sitting him out while we investigated (like a program with any integrity would have done) we chose to bury the letter.

We took our shot just like Auburn did. We just missed our free throws.

Yup.

we made them when they counted

And when we missed them, they didn't count!

(08-22-2013 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:38 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:31 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:07 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  Correct. That one is not on our former coach.

youre both wrong.

Not under the guidelines of the Clearinghouse. My wife has worked for over 20 years in ACT and SAT testing and works with high school athletes every year who are offered or seeking scholarships. Never heard one time of a situation like DRose. Ever.

In her professional experience and opinion, it would be next to impossible for someone to show ID and take someone else's test.

The testing locations and rooms are monitored for the duration.

I wasn't even referring to that; if the NCAA said he's good to go, he's good to go. I despise our former coach and would love to pin this on him, but I can't.

I can. This same former coach was able to get Bledsoe cleared.

Let's sum up Eric Bledsoe getting qualified. (This is going off of memory a bit)

In his first 3 years in High school, Bledsoe never makes an "A".

He then attends Parker high school his senior year. He also takes an online class and a night class.

In his online class, he scores an "A" in biology, which replaced the "D" he made in the class before.

The night time class was a real winner. He makes an "A" in Algebra III. Good for him, right? Well wait. Bledsoe, who had never made an "A" prior to his senior year, has suddenly become Einsteins bi tch. Not only does he score an "A" in Algebra III, but he also scores an "A" in Algebra II taken at the same time during the day at school. That's right, he aces both ALgebra II & III while taking them at the same time. And if you believe that is impressive, keep in mind that the little genius scored a "D" in Algebra I prior to his senior year.

There are people who would be interested to know how you got his transcript.

(08-22-2013 10:04 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Problem was that was the reality of the program at the time. Cal gutted the roster and left us to deal with the NCAA. Fortunately we got a fine coach was willing to deal with it all. The good and the bad. [/i]

A lot of people would disagree with you.

Without running the numbers, I'd be willing to bet we had twice as many four star players left on our roster after Cal left than any other team in the C-USA. It's not like Pastner didn't have anything to work with.