(08-16-2013 09:21 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  That's an argument for more bowls.

Nobody is saying "NO" to more bowls, we're saying "NO" to sh*t bowls.

Well we dont have to worry about going to Detroit 2 times in 3 weeks now.

(08-16-2013 09:08 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 08:59 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 07:58 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 06:45 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 06:37 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Delta flys into Montgomery.

You can get flights from Detroit Metro for about 450 bucks round trip.

Nobody cares.

No, some of us do care what utpotts posts. No one gives a s**t about what you post.

I knew it!

You are utpotts bf......

So Kittonhead/Kit-Cat/AirportKC/whatever is getting rattled by all the s**t we keep spewing at him.

And it is nice to know about how much it would cost for people flying out of Detroit (like UT fans) to Montgomery.

(08-16-2013 08:34 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Savannah, GA


- Memorial Stadium (Cap. 15,000) Small but only 6,000 less than the proposed 21,000-seat Johnson Hagood Stadium in Charleston, SC. If Savannah decided to do this they would probably invest in upgrades like Charleston was planning. Officially located in Isle of Hope, Georgia.

- Isle of Hope, Georgia
Setting: Isle of Hope lies along the Intracoastal Waterway, 10 miles southeast of Savannah. Access is limited to two small roads. The average temperatures range from a high of 92 to a low of 72 in July and from 60 to 38 in January.

Attractions: Relatively unspoiled, unchanged, and peaceful, the area offers close proximity to Savannah's great restaurants, shopping, and historical sites. It's 40 miles south of the excellent golf courses around Hilton Head Island, South Carolina.

Where You'd Spend Free Time: The marina is the hub of activity for both residents and those traveling along the Intracoastal Waterway. Boating, fishing, and crabbing are popular. The pleasant weather invites walking, biking, and pushing strollers down the live oak-shaded streets.

There's no good stadium in savannah. That thing is too small.

(08-16-2013 09:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 08:34 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Savannah, GA


- Memorial Stadium (Cap. 15,000) Small but only 6,000 less than the proposed 21,000-seat Johnson Hagood Stadium in Charleston, SC. If Savannah decided to do this they would probably invest in upgrades like Charleston was planning. Officially located in Isle of Hope, Georgia.

- Isle of Hope, Georgia
Setting: Isle of Hope lies along the Intracoastal Waterway, 10 miles southeast of Savannah. Access is limited to two small roads. The average temperatures range from a high of 92 to a low of 72 in July and from 60 to 38 in January.

Attractions: Relatively unspoiled, unchanged, and peaceful, the area offers close proximity to Savannah's great restaurants, shopping, and historical sites. It's 40 miles south of the excellent golf courses around Hilton Head Island, South Carolina.

Where You'd Spend Free Time: The marina is the hub of activity for both residents and those traveling along the Intracoastal Waterway. Boating, fishing, and crabbing are popular. The pleasant weather invites walking, biking, and pushing strollers down the live oak-shaded streets.

There's no good stadium in savannah. That thing is too small.

It's no worse than the 21K stadium in Charleston. The City would have to upgrade it just like Charleston would have done to be adequate. It could be done by 2014.

(08-16-2013 09:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 09:21 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  That's an argument for more bowls.

Nobody is saying "NO" to more bowls, we're saying "NO" to sh*t bowls.

Call the NCAAP in Montgomery to prevent this game ASAP!

Time to pull out all the stops. Occupy MAC Headquarters.

NCAAP?

It's a 15k seat stadium!! Come on man!

And what happens when they have a 21k seat stadium in savannah and Georgia Southern 30mins away goes to the bowl when GA southern Averages 25k at home? Not gonna work.

(08-16-2013 09:46 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  It's a 15k seat stadium!! Come on man!

The one in Montgomery is 25K. You could upgrade the one in Savannah to add 10K to get to the same 25K and you wouldn't be in Montgomery, AL. Come on man!

(08-16-2013 09:46 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 09:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 09:21 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  That's an argument for more bowls.

Nobody is saying "NO" to more bowls, we're saying "NO" to sh*t bowls.

Call the NCAAP in Montgomery to prevent this game ASAP!

Time to pull out all the stops. Occupy MAC Headquarters.

NCAAP?

He's probably trying to be funny and instead is just being a racist twit. I think he meant NAACP.

(08-16-2013 09:44 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 09:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 08:34 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Savannah, GA


- Memorial Stadium (Cap. 15,000) Small but only 6,000 less than the proposed 21,000-seat Johnson Hagood Stadium in Charleston, SC. If Savannah decided to do this they would probably invest in upgrades like Charleston was planning. Officially located in Isle of Hope, Georgia.

- Isle of Hope, Georgia
Setting: Isle of Hope lies along the Intracoastal Waterway, 10 miles southeast of Savannah. Access is limited to two small roads. The average temperatures range from a high of 92 to a low of 72 in July and from 60 to 38 in January.

Attractions: Relatively unspoiled, unchanged, and peaceful, the area offers close proximity to Savannah's great restaurants, shopping, and historical sites. It's 40 miles south of the excellent golf courses around Hilton Head Island, South Carolina.

Where You'd Spend Free Time: The marina is the hub of activity for both residents and those traveling along the Intracoastal Waterway. Boating, fishing, and crabbing are popular. The pleasant weather invites walking, biking, and pushing strollers down the live oak-shaded streets.

There's no good stadium in savannah. That thing is too small.

It's no worse than the 21K stadium in Charleston. The City would have to upgrade it just like Charleston would have done to be adequate. It could be done by 2014.

Would the county/state (the stadium isn't even in Savannah) really be willing to shell out several million dollars to upgrade a stadium for a once a year game between Ball St, BGSU, Buffalo, ect. vs ULL, ULM, USA, ect.? Incredibly doubtful, especially in this time of wide spread sequestration on both federal and state levels.

Where did I say the Sun Belt would be involved?

(08-16-2013 09:58 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Where did I say the Sun Belt would be involved?

Considering that there is a SB team less than an hour away and another one in state, I would think that would be the only slim hope to secure funding and support to expand the stadium for your proposed bowl.

Also, it's a multi-purpose stadium. Savannah State's stadium only seats 7,500 so they play some of their "bigger" games there. The City/County can sponsor other events there as well. The larger capacity could probably attract more/larger events. Since it would help to advertise/bring in tourism to the area, they can solicit private funds from the local businesses to help pay for upgrades.

It could be done if the will was there. And it would be infinitely better than Montgomery, AL vs the Sun Belt.

(08-16-2013 09:21 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  That's an argument for more bowls.

Nobody is saying "NO" to more bowls, we're saying "NO" to sh*t bowls.

When it comes to the MAC, is there really a difference? How much more of a destination is Detroit compared to Montgomery? (of course it's far easier to get to, but that's not the point) Is Boise that great of a bowl city that it makes Montgomery look like a speck on a map in comparison? (Boise is a good bowl city but that again is not the point) The point is that the MAC has very limited options when it comes to where our bowls can be. Its obvious that Charleston and Little Rock have their issues between the logistics and the money involved, otherwise we wouldn't be committing to this new bowl in Alabama. It's not like we have half-a-dozen bowls lining up to try and sign us up for great tourist cities like Miami and San Diego. We're the MAC, we have to take what we can get.

Bottom line is that there has to be a reason why we're choosing Montgomery. We could've been promised an ESPN TV deal better than all the non-AQ conferences, we could've been promised that we'll get a MAC bid to more ESPN-owned bowls. With the new bowl pool system developing, we might not even go to Montgomery most years. Like I said earlier, Steinbrecher has always taken his time with making decisions and he's kept them top secret until he reveals them to the public. If it turns out that we only have Mobile/Boise/Montgomery as our bowls and the TV deal is unsatisfactory, then sure I'll run down the streets of Cleveland with pitchforks and torches. Until then you can't judge his actions before we have all the facts.

(08-16-2013 10:06 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Also, it's a multi-purpose stadium. Savannah State's stadium only seats 7,500 so they play some of their "bigger" games there. The City/County can sponsor other events there as well. The larger capacity could probably attract more/larger events. Since it would help to advertise/bring in tourism to the area, they can solicit private funds from the local businesses to help pay for upgrades.

It could be done if the will was there. And it would be infinitely better than Montgomery, AL vs the Sun Belt.

That's your issue. And a potential MAC bowl (or any G5 bowl for that matter) won't be the spark to ignite local support for the project.


Actually, looking at the stadium on google earth, this idea is DoA, no parking with no room for more, in a residential neighborhood, which could limit expansion depending on zoning laws, and a complete lack of facilities that are to be expected for a bowl game (press box, suites, ect.)

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Savannah,...gplus-ogsb

Detroit falls under the "sh*t bowl" category too. It was tempered a bit by the possibility of beating up on a Big Ten team, but the cowards "fixed" that.

Boise's a "sh*t bowl" too.

That's kind of the point. The MAC already has enough "sh*t bowls" it doesn't need to secure, much less CREATE, more.

And it's not just about the destination but the opponent. One bowl vs the SBC is more than enough.

A higher priority bowl with the MWC would be nice as well. I'd love to "trade" Boise for another MWC bowl in a better location that could ensure the MAC a higher pick/better team.

The MAC needs a bowl in a good location for its Champ or #1 against a Cartel conference team along with one bowl vs each of the non-cartel conferences. The MWC and SBC are already covered. Steinbrecher shouldn't even be entertaining the SBC.

He needs to get a St. Louis vs Pac-12 bowl off of the ground, plus a Orlando bowl vs AAC, and the Boca/Bahamas bowl vs CUSA.

The Pac-12 only has 7 bowls for 12 teams which is the best ratio left out of the Cartel group. Plus the Pac-12 seems to be less Cartel-y than the others and they may be amenable to playing the MAC Champ in the St. Louis Gateway (to the West, see the natural tie-in there?) Bowl.

In a perfect world, we'd be playing in Indy/STL instead of Detroit, Hawaii instead of Boise, or Charleston instead of Montgomery. Bottom line is that we don't have any leverage to play the P5 in a bowl. At most we'll get an AQ's 10th spot that they fill every fourth year, like Detroit became as time passed. They don't have any incentive to play us, it's the typical 'win and it's not impressive, lose and you look bad' thought process that dominates mainstream college football thinking. Steinbrecher can't do s**t about it. I wish we were playing the C-USA in Boca and the AAC somewhere, but obviously the prospects for a big TV payday and more bowls with ESPN must be pretty good or else we wouldn't be even considering a bowl in Montgomery.

I look at it this way: why would we agree to the Montgomery Bowl against the SBC unless we had a good reason? If there wasn't some incentive for us to agree with ESPN to make it happen, we would be looking at a Little Rock Bowl on FS1 and a Charleston Bowl on NBC Sports at the minimum.

So again I say, wait until we have all the facts. Once we know our TV money and full bowl picture we can step back and decide how well the MAC's future looks.

(08-16-2013 09:52 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 09:46 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 09:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 09:21 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  That's an argument for more bowls.

Nobody is saying "NO" to more bowls, we're saying "NO" to sh*t bowls.

Call the NCAAP in Montgomery to prevent this game ASAP!

Time to pull out all the stops. Occupy MAC Headquarters.

NCAAP?

He's probably trying to be funny and instead is just being a racist twit. I think he meant NAACP.

Call them too.

(08-16-2013 11:02 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  So again I say, wait until we have all the facts.

So again I say, that there is nothing proof positive that there is A) a Bowl in Montgomery and B) that the MAC is in it, BUT, if it is true "all the facts" aren't NEEDED because, I'LL SAY AGAIN, unless ESPN pays each school AT LEAST $2 million AND agrees to only air MAC games on the two major channels of ESPN/ESP2 it won't be enough to make up for the horsesh*t bowl that this Montgomery will become.

(08-16-2013 11:02 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Once we know our TV money and full bowl picture we can step back and decide how well the MAC's future looks.

I hope you're ******* kidding here.

So we wait until AFTER the full bowl picture's done and we're ****** to say "Hey, look everyone, we're ******."

What ******* sense does that make?

The time is NOW to address these issues and make sure that we don't end up getting ******.

Evidently, the past tense isn't vulgar.

I think the MAC made a smart move in getting a third bowl locked up. Montgomery will step up and make this a good bowl for the MAC and Sun Belt. This probably becomes a major attraction and they welcome us with open arms. MAC fans will support their teams wherever they go. Wish Montgomery the best of luck in making this bowl a success.