(08-18-2013 10:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What were the root causes of 9-11? Why did Bin Laden plan the attacks?

Oh, boy. Here we go, the blame America meme. Lemme guess, we brought it on ourselves, through oppressive Governmental policy?

Small problem there- those cowards attacked innocent civilians of ALL colors, stripes, political affiliation and anything else you care to mention. So, no. Blaming us for the actions of a band of cowardly kamikazes looking for their 72 virgins is utter bullsh!t.

If they had a gripe it was with our government and military, not the people they incinerated.

And what is this demand that the 9/11 report be made public? I've got a copy on my nightstand and have since 2001.

OK JMU,


Why did Bin Laden plan the attacks? Do you know?

(08-19-2013 09:32 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  OK JMU,


Why did Bin Laden plan the attacks? Do you know?

War on women, racist, he was a Republican, Bush paid him (Bush's fault), Mohammad told him to do it, Afghanistan wasn't getting enough US welfare???

Surprise us please.

(08-19-2013 09:32 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  OK JMU,


Why did Bin Laden plan the attacks? Do you know?

Who's interviewed the guy? You brought it up, why not enlighten us great unwashed. Please do tell us why we deserved to have four civilian aircraft hijacked, flight attendants have their throats slit by these animals and thousands of innocent civilians murdered.

Please help me understand these animals, maybe then I too can feel some sympathy for them...




Not an effing chance.

His main grievance was us stationing units in Saudi Arabia their Holy Land, in the land of their Mecca. That you don't even know this basic fundamental grievance shows that you don't care to understand them. I choose to know my adversary and it is wise to study them. For you to immediately Ass U Me that I would tell you why we deserved to be attacked further deteriorates the discussion.

Put yourself in their shoes. Many times Muslim Men feel emasculated. They feel inferior. How would the Western World feel about Muslims setting up shop in the Vatican? How would Jews take Muslims taking over Jurasalem.

If we could have avoided stationing units in Riyadh we should have or left and put them in Kuwait.

I'm also surprised this Arab Spring hasn't exploded in the House of Saud.

(08-18-2013 11:51 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  As if the United States of America couldn't look like any more of a pussified nation after Obama and the liberals have constantly ruined it. Now the base religion of the terrorists who killed thousands of our own people are going to march on the anniversary and this stupid f*cking president is going to let it happen? If he has any balls, and wants any respect, he needs to stop this sh*t.

So, the First Amendment only applies if you're not Muslim?

Why would you be in support of the root base of our terror attacks marching on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack we've ever had?

Besides, why doesn't the first amendment apply to the government? They want to lock Snowden away for using freedom of speech. Is this ok with you?

(08-19-2013 10:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  His main grievance was us stationing units in Saudi Arabia their Holy Land, in the land of their Mecca. That you don't even know this basic fundamental grievance shows that you don't care to understand them. I choose to know my adversary and it is wise to study them. For you to immediately Ass U Me that I would tell you why we deserved to be attacked further deteriorates the discussion.

Put yourself in their shoes. Many times Muslim Men feel emasculated. They feel inferior. How would the Western World feel about Muslims setting up shop in the Vatican? How would Jews take Muslims taking over Jurasalem.

If we could have avoided stationing units in Riyadh we should have or left and put them in Kuwait.

Where does the fact the the Saudi rulers were scared shitless that Saddam would continue his roll thru Kuwait and keep right on going into Saudi Arabia - and they wanted us there play into Bin Ladin's plans. I wonder why he didn't have planes fly into the Royal residences in Riyadh.

Look , I'm not going to pretend we haven't stuck our effing noses in places we shouldn't - but the Saudi's wanted us there to keep Saddam at bay.

(08-19-2013 10:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  His main grievance was us stationing units in Saudi Arabia their Holy Land, in the land of their Mecca. That you don't even know this basic fundamental grievance shows that you don't care to understand them. I choose to know my adversary and it is wise to study them. For you to immediately Ass U Me that I would tell you why we deserved to be attacked further deteriorates the discussion.

Put yourself in their shoes. Many times Muslim Men feel emasculated. They feel inferior. How would the Western World feel about Muslims setting up shop in the Vatican? How would Jews take Muslims taking over Jurasalem.

If we could have avoided stationing units in Riyadh we should have or left and put them in Kuwait.

So we're supposed to feel sorry for them and that constitutes killing thousands of American lives, and we should just move on.

How do you feel about the Benghazi blood that's dripping off of the obama Administration's hands? Hmm, who to feel sorry for in this case....

(08-19-2013 10:37 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 11:51 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  As if the United States of America couldn't look like any more of a pussified nation after Obama and the liberals have constantly ruined it. Now the base religion of the terrorists who killed thousands of our own people are going to march on the anniversary and this stupid f*cking president is going to let it happen? If he has any balls, and wants any respect, he needs to stop this sh*t.

So, the First Amendment only applies if you're not Muslim?

Why would you be in support of the root base of our terror attacks marching on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack we've ever had?

Besides, why doesn't the first amendment apply to the government? They want to lock Snowden away for using freedom of speech. Is this ok with you?

You are an idiot. First, not all muslims are terrorists. If they are, then all christians are too because Eric Rudolph bombed an abortion clinic. Don't paint me as a "liberal muslim loving christian hater" because I equally despise all religions, but freedom of speech is freedom of speech. First, I think you assume that this particular group is going to be marching in the street calling for beheadings and whatnot. If that's what they're doing, then sure, stop the demonstration. Incitement to riot and/or violence is illegal.

Secondly, releasing classified information isn't a freedom of speech issue. Trying to construe it as such is dishonest at best and just monumentally stupid at worst. Not defending all government actions in the Snowden case, but if you can't see how that is a completely different issue you should just bow out of the discussion now. Under your logic someone should be able to post the nuclear launch codes on the internet without any repercussions

(08-19-2013 10:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:37 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 11:51 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  As if the United States of America couldn't look like any more of a pussified nation after Obama and the liberals have constantly ruined it. Now the base religion of the terrorists who killed thousands of our own people are going to march on the anniversary and this stupid f*cking president is going to let it happen? If he has any balls, and wants any respect, he needs to stop this sh*t.

So, the First Amendment only applies if you're not Muslim?

Why would you be in support of the root base of our terror attacks marching on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack we've ever had?

Besides, why doesn't the first amendment apply to the government? They want to lock Snowden away for using freedom of speech. Is this ok with you?

You are an idiot. First, not all muslims are terrorists. If they are, then all christians are too because Eric Rudolph bombed an abortion clinic. Don't paint me as a "liberal muslim loving christian hater" because I equally despise all religions, but freedom of speech is freedom of speech. First, I think you assume that this particular group is going to be marching in the street calling for beheadings and whatnot. If that's what they're doing, then sure, stop the demonstration. Incitement to riot and/or violence is illegal.

Secondly, releasing classified information isn't a freedom of speech issue. Trying to construe it as such is dishonest at best and just monumentally stupid at worst. Not defending all government actions in the Snowden case, but if you can't see how that is a completely different issue you should just bow out of the discussion now. Under your logic someone should be able to post the nuclear launch codes on the internet without any repercussions

Oooooh the irony....

My problem is them doing this on the f*cking anniversary of 9/11 you dimwit. You obviously lack patriotism. I never thought for one second that they would call for beheadings or anything else. But tell me, oh mixed up one, why are they wanting to march on 9/11?

I don't even know where to start to address the retardation you typed out in the second paragraph. It's good to know where you stand on this though. Releasing information to 330 million Americans about their privacy being taken away behind their backs somehow relates to someone giving the codes for a nuclear launch in your mind. Damn liberals, yall let that dude get by with everything, and you blame Bush.

(08-19-2013 11:32 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:37 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 11:51 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  As if the United States of America couldn't look like any more of a pussified nation after Obama and the liberals have constantly ruined it. Now the base religion of the terrorists who killed thousands of our own people are going to march on the anniversary and this stupid f*cking president is going to let it happen? If he has any balls, and wants any respect, he needs to stop this sh*t.

So, the First Amendment only applies if you're not Muslim?

Why would you be in support of the root base of our terror attacks marching on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack we've ever had?

Besides, why doesn't the first amendment apply to the government? They want to lock Snowden away for using freedom of speech. Is this ok with you?

You are an idiot. First, not all muslims are terrorists. If they are, then all christians are too because Eric Rudolph bombed an abortion clinic. Don't paint me as a "liberal muslim loving christian hater" because I equally despise all religions, but freedom of speech is freedom of speech. First, I think you assume that this particular group is going to be marching in the street calling for beheadings and whatnot. If that's what they're doing, then sure, stop the demonstration. Incitement to riot and/or violence is illegal.

Secondly, releasing classified information isn't a freedom of speech issue. Trying to construe it as such is dishonest at best and just monumentally stupid at worst. Not defending all government actions in the Snowden case, but if you can't see how that is a completely different issue you should just bow out of the discussion now. Under your logic someone should be able to post the nuclear launch codes on the internet without any repercussions

Oooooh the irony....

My problem is them doing this on the f*cking anniversary of 9/11 you dimwit. You obviously lack patriotism. I never thought for one second that they would call for beheadings or anything else. But tell me, oh mixed up one, why are they wanting to march on 9/11?

I don't even know where to start to address the retardation you typed out in the second paragraph. It's good to know where you stand on this though. Releasing information to 330 million Americans about their privacy being taken away behind their backs somehow relates to someone giving the codes for a nuclear launch in your mind. Damn liberals, yall let that dude get by with everything, and you blame Bush.

The first amendment applies every day of the year. If their speech is not criminal (inciting violence/riots) any other day of the year, it's not criminal on 9/11. The protection of the most disgusting speech is the entire point of upholding the First Amendment. You incorrectly take my defense of their right to say what they say as my agreeing with what they say.

And again, the Snowden case is more complicated than you make it out to be. Snowden is more defensible than Manning, but releasing classified information is still releasing classified information. I am not saying that Snowden was wrong to do what he did, but it's not a free speech issue at any rate.

It's gonna end up being nothing to see.

(08-16-2013 11:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  As if the United States of America couldn't look like any more of a pussified nation after Obama and the liberals have constantly ruined it. Now the base religion of the terrorists who killed thousands of our own people are going to march on the anniversary and this stupid f*cking president is going to let it happen? If he has any balls, and wants any respect, he needs to stop this sh*t.

What, stop free speech, and the right to assemble?

Why do you hate the Constitution, and why do you hate the United States?

(08-17-2013 11:59 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:49 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 11:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 12:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 12:16 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I don't hate the Constitution. Not sure where you got that crap from.

When you favor policies that break it...you hate it.

I have the Constitutional Right to protest near a soldiers funeral and say God Hates Fags. Do you think I can get away with that without a massive backlash?

I predict that this will be be attacked with the same voracity by most folks. I hold both in disgust. I will however defend the right of both to spew hatred and ignorance with my life if necessary. It is that important to our freedom that the right to peaceably assemble be preserved.

The right to assemble does not guarantee their right to march on 9/11. It would not be denying their right to speak to deny them permission to march on that day. It would be quite feasible to consider marching on that day as a deliberate attempt to incite a riot and it should be denied on that grounds. They would be free to march on another day - Christmas perhaps?

Go back to Constitution 101. Do not stop.

(08-19-2013 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  His main grievance was us stationing units in Saudi Arabia their Holy Land, in the land of their Mecca. That you don't even know this basic fundamental grievance shows that you don't care to understand them. I choose to know my adversary and it is wise to study them. For you to immediately Ass U Me that I would tell you why we deserved to be attacked further deteriorates the discussion.

Put yourself in their shoes. Many times Muslim Men feel emasculated. They feel inferior. How would the Western World feel about Muslims setting up shop in the Vatican? How would Jews take Muslims taking over Jurasalem.

If we could have avoided stationing units in Riyadh we should have or left and put them in Kuwait.

So we're supposed to feel sorry for them and that constitutes killing thousands of American lives, and we should just move on.

How do you feel about the Benghazi blood that's dripping off of the obama Administration's hands? Hmm, who to feel sorry for in this case....

Did you say a peep when the blood of Americans was shed in all the embassy attacks when Bush was President? When Bush/Cheney lied to get us to invade Iraq, killing 10K Americans?



I know the answer already.

(08-19-2013 10:16 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm also surprised this Arab Spring hasn't exploded in the House of Saud.

Some tried. They were quickly arrested and beheaded. The Saudis ran AQ out of there and over to Yemen. The Saudis don't put up with dissidents.

(08-19-2013 12:20 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  His main grievance was us stationing units in Saudi Arabia their Holy Land, in the land of their Mecca. That you don't even know this basic fundamental grievance shows that you don't care to understand them. I choose to know my adversary and it is wise to study them. For you to immediately Ass U Me that I would tell you why we deserved to be attacked further deteriorates the discussion.

Put yourself in their shoes. Many times Muslim Men feel emasculated. They feel inferior. How would the Western World feel about Muslims setting up shop in the Vatican? How would Jews take Muslims taking over Jurasalem.

If we could have avoided stationing units in Riyadh we should have or left and put them in Kuwait.

So we're supposed to feel sorry for them and that constitutes killing thousands of American lives, and we should just move on.

How do you feel about the Benghazi blood that's dripping off of the obama Administration's hands? Hmm, who to feel sorry for in this case....

Did you say a peep when the blood of Americans was shed in all the embassy attacks when Bush was President? When Bush/Cheney lied to get us to invade Iraq, killing 10K Americans?



I know the answer already.

Does it make it ok for you that obama has lied to you since he started campaigning for president?

(08-19-2013 12:10 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 11:32 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:37 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 11:51 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  So, the First Amendment only applies if you're not Muslim?

Why would you be in support of the root base of our terror attacks marching on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack we've ever had?

Besides, why doesn't the first amendment apply to the government? They want to lock Snowden away for using freedom of speech. Is this ok with you?

You are an idiot. First, not all muslims are terrorists. If they are, then all christians are too because Eric Rudolph bombed an abortion clinic. Don't paint me as a "liberal muslim loving christian hater" because I equally despise all religions, but freedom of speech is freedom of speech. First, I think you assume that this particular group is going to be marching in the street calling for beheadings and whatnot. If that's what they're doing, then sure, stop the demonstration. Incitement to riot and/or violence is illegal.

Secondly, releasing classified information isn't a freedom of speech issue. Trying to construe it as such is dishonest at best and just monumentally stupid at worst. Not defending all government actions in the Snowden case, but if you can't see how that is a completely different issue you should just bow out of the discussion now. Under your logic someone should be able to post the nuclear launch codes on the internet without any repercussions

Oooooh the irony....

My problem is them doing this on the f*cking anniversary of 9/11 you dimwit. You obviously lack patriotism. I never thought for one second that they would call for beheadings or anything else. But tell me, oh mixed up one, why are they wanting to march on 9/11?

I don't even know where to start to address the retardation you typed out in the second paragraph. It's good to know where you stand on this though. Releasing information to 330 million Americans about their privacy being taken away behind their backs somehow relates to someone giving the codes for a nuclear launch in your mind. Damn liberals, yall let that dude get by with everything, and you blame Bush.

The first amendment applies every day of the year. If their speech is not criminal (inciting violence/riots) any other day of the year, it's not criminal on 9/11. The protection of the most disgusting speech is the entire point of upholding the First Amendment. You incorrectly take my defense of their right to say what they say as my agreeing with what they say.

And again, the Snowden case is more complicated than you make it out to be. Snowden is more defensible than Manning, but releasing classified information is still releasing classified information. I am not saying that Snowden was wrong to do what he did, but it's not a free speech issue at any rate.

Ok MU, fair enough. But why the anniversary? It seems that they are only doing it to raise a fuss.

Snowden did what any American with a backbone should have done. It's our right to know that we're being spied on, and their genius work did nothing to stop the Boston attack. Absolutely nothing man. So what's the point of it?

(08-19-2013 10:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:37 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 11:51 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  As if the United States of America couldn't look like any more of a pussified nation after Obama and the liberals have constantly ruined it. Now the base religion of the terrorists who killed thousands of our own people are going to march on the anniversary and this stupid f*cking president is going to let it happen? If he has any balls, and wants any respect, he needs to stop this sh*t.

So, the First Amendment only applies if you're not Muslim?

Why would you be in support of the root base of our terror attacks marching on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack we've ever had?

Besides, why doesn't the first amendment apply to the government? They want to lock Snowden away for using freedom of speech. Is this ok with you?

You are an idiot. First, not all muslims are terrorists. If they are, then all christians are too because Eric Rudolph bombed an abortion clinic. Don't paint me as a "liberal muslim loving christian hater" because I equally despise all religions, but freedom of speech is freedom of speech. First, I think you assume that this particular group is going to be marching in the street calling for beheadings and whatnot. If that's what they're doing, then sure, stop the demonstration. Incitement to riot and/or violence is illegal.

Secondly, releasing classified information isn't a freedom of speech issue. Trying to construe it as such is dishonest at best and just monumentally stupid at worst. Not defending all government actions in the Snowden case, but if you can't see how that is a completely different issue you should just bow out of the discussion now. Under your logic someone should be able to post the nuclear launch codes on the internet without any repercussions

Pff dude get over yourself. Comparing Christians to Muslims is like comparing Sprite to Everclear. Stop pretending you are some kind of big time atheist when you only "despise" Christianity. Your left wing mantra is like a broken record.