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RE: The higher the BB/K ration is for a batter, the better the hitter, right?
(08-15-2013 11:51 AM)JSA Wrote:  
(08-15-2013 11:07 AM)13thOwl Wrote:  
(08-15-2013 10:45 AM)JOwl Wrote:  Sorry, completely OT:
I just came here to comment on the "ration" typo in the subject.
I've noticed it's a typo I make frequently -- adding an "n" to words that end in "io", particularly to words that end in "tio". Even when I absolutely mean to type or write "ratio", it sometimes comes out as "ration".

For grins, you can see how many "Horation Alger" references out there on the internet: link to google search

It fascinates me. Seems like a very specific linguistic or psychological phenomenon -- anyone know if there's a name for it?

I think the error occurs for me more often when I am using an iPad.

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RE: The higher the BB/K ration is for a batter, the better the hitter, right?
(08-15-2013 01:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I use the iPhone to post a lot (like now) and it has this nasty habit of deciding what I meant and changing it. So I am constantly going back and retreading iPhone posts to see what my phone thinks I meant.

I snickered.
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RE: The higher the BB/K ration is for a batter, the better the hitter, right?
On the off-topic, it happens a lot to me too when I'm in a fast typing groove. I also tend to always type -ing at the end of words instead of -in. I think there are a couple others, too. And I have a co-worker whose name goes Chris St.... (remaining letters don't matter), and I constantly find myself typing Christ. Trying not to give him a god complex.

I don't have anything to add on the original thread topic.
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RE: The higher the BB/K ration is for a batter, the better the hitter, right?
(08-15-2013 04:27 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(08-15-2013 10:45 AM)JOwl Wrote:  I just came here to comment on the "ration" typo in the subject.
I've noticed it's a typo I make frequently -- adding an "n" to words that end in "io", particularly to words that end in "tio".

Absolutely true for me as well: very hard for the fingers to type "tio" and not also type "n". I have other "auto-complete" reflexes, but this one is probably the stickiest.

(08-15-2013 11:03 AM)grol Wrote:  It seems to be a typing reflex, not something that you do when writing.

I even do it when I am writing!

That's what blew my mind the first time I noticed it -- that I had done it while writing, not typing. I was taking notes in an actuarial exam seminar, and there on my page was "ration" when I just _knew_ I had written "ratio".

And yesterday, after I had written this post, the phenomenon struck again -- I was typing some word that ended in "-in" and I reflexively added a "g". (I wish I could remember which word, but the added "g" made it non-word, unlike "ratio"/"ration".)

Statistically speaking, I'm sure "-tion" words are extremely common, and "-tio" rare; same with "-ing" and "-in". It's interesting that we could be so experienced in our typing/writing that muscle memory or reflex has us automatically go to the common ending, even when it's wrong.
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RE: The higher the BB/K ration is for a batter, the better the hitter, right?
(08-16-2013 10:48 AM)JOwl Wrote:  Statistically speaking, I'm sure "-tion" words are extremely common, and "-tio" rare; same with "-ing" and "-in". It's interesting that we could be so experienced in our typing/writing that muscle memory or reflex has us automatically go to the common ending, even when it's wrong.

This prompts a digression to one of the most interesting lectures I attended at Rice, in 1990 or maybe spring 1991. The speaker was Amos Tversky, a cognitive scientist from Stanford who was one of the pioneers in studying decision-making under uncertainty. I think the bottom line was that humans are often really haphazard (non-rigorous) about estimating probabilities. Rather, we tend to seize on the availability of examples, and if we can readily think of examples of a phenomenon, we rate it as likely; and if we can't readily think of examples, we rate is as unlikely. So we used "availability" (his term) as a proxy for likelihood.

The problem is that availability is not always a very good proxy. One illustration he used was this: If you ask people what percent of ordinary seven-letter words have "i" as the 5th letter, they will guess a low number, because the general patter of ----i-- is not all that easy to think of examples of. But if you ask them what percent of common seven-letter words end in "ing", they will guess a much higher number. So far, maybe no big deal. But here's the crazy part: if you ask people both questions on the same survey -- even in succession, and even if you let them change answers -- people still tend to give a higher answer for the second category than for the first, which is necessarily wrong. He said that "even" educated professionals do this -- and that doctors ESPECIALLY do this, which is perhaps a little disturbing.

Looking on Wikipedia just now, I see that Tversky died in 1996, before he could share in the Nobel Prize in Economics which went to his long-time collaborator (Nobels are not award posthumously). He was only 59 when he died.

Note: edited to fix the mistake that JH pointed out.
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RE: The higher the BB/K ration is for a batter, the better the hitter, right?
(08-15-2013 02:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-15-2013 01:57 PM)Houston Owl Wrote:  Completely OT...but in 1941, Joe Dimaggio's stats were as follows: 622 PA; 541 AB; 76 BB; 193 hits; 125 RBI; 30 HR and...13 Ks.

That is fine and dandy, but I'd take Ted Williams circa 1941 over Dimaggio: 606 PA; 456 AB; 147 BB; 185 hits; 129 RBI; 37 HR and...27 Ks.

Two of the best years ever, but in 18 fewer PA's, Williams reached base 63 more times! Of course, while Williams had 7 more HR, Dimaggio had 10 more doubles and 8 more triples.

Crud, how can you even think of comparing the two. Why, striking out more than twice as many times in 85 fewer at bats. Clearly the man had a hole in his swing.
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RE: The higher the BB/K ration is for a batter, the better the hitter, right?
(08-16-2013 12:05 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  If you ask people what percent of ordinary seven-letter words have "i" as the 5th letter, they will guess a low number, because the general patter of ----i-- is not all that easy to think of examples of. But if you ask them what percent of common six-letter words end in "ing", they will guess a much higher number. So far, maybe no big deal. But here's the crazy part: if you ask people both questions on the same survey -- even in succession, and even if you let them change answers -- people still tend to give a higher answer for the second category than for the first, which is necessarily wrong.

I don't understand why it is necessarily wrong. I understand why it is almost certainly wrong, just not necessarily so. For it to be necessarily wrong wouldn't both questions have to refer to words with the same number of letters?
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(08-19-2013 10:19 AM)jh Wrote:  
(08-16-2013 12:05 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  If you ask people what percent of ordinary seven-letter words have "i" as the 5th letter, they will guess a low number, because the general patter of ----i-- is not all that easy to think of examples of. But if you ask them what percent of common six-letter words end in "ing", they will guess a much higher number. So far, maybe no big deal. But here's the crazy part: if you ask people both questions on the same survey -- even in succession, and even if you let them change answers -- people still tend to give a higher answer for the second category than for the first, which is necessarily wrong.

I don't understand why it is necessarily wrong. I understand why it is almost certainly wrong, just not necessarily so. For it to be necessarily wrong wouldn't both questions have to refer to words with the same number of letters?

Yes, you are right. Both questions were supposed to say "seven". I mis-counted, caught and corrected my mistake once, but failed to catch or correct the second instance. Somewhat embarrassing!
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(08-15-2013 02:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Of course, while Williams had 7 more HR, Dimaggio had 10 more doubles and 8 more triples.

That seems like a telltale case of park effects: one played in a bandbox, the other in a place with a lot of outfield territory.
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RE: The higher the BB/K ration is for a batter, the better the hitter, right?
Back off topic: Here's another example that constantly catches me (and just did) - comparision instead of comparison. And in fact, lots of words that end in -on I find I touch type as -ion. And it's not that I hit both keys at once - it's that I physically type both letters. Argh, my wetware is defective! I need an update. Or a beer.
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