(08-15-2013 11:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I missed this. Apparently the MW will get the #6 selection from the Pac-12 (not the #7). That gives the Mountain West the highest P-5 selection in a G-5 bowl. Crap...out maneuvered again....


Doug Haller ‏@DougHaller 26 Jul
New Pac12 bowl selection order: Rose, Alamo, Holiday, San Francisco, Sun, Las Vegas & Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.

And Arescos failure appears to be complete.

How is 6 out of 12 any better than what the ACC is going to give the American? Both conference are getting middle of the road selections the only difference is that the ACC has 15 schools to pick from while the PAC-12 has 12.

PAC-12 number six is probably be someone like Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Oregon State, and Washington State. No way are they playing USC, Stanford, Oregon, or UCLA.

The ACC has Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Notre Dame, and Virginia Tech in the top tier. After that you get North Carolina, NC State, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, BC, Wake Forest, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech. The American will be playing someone from the second group so I really don't see any difference.

(08-15-2013 11:37 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  How is 6 out of 12 any better than what the ACC is going to give the American? Both conference are getting middle of the road selections the only difference is that the ACC has 15 schools to pick from while the PAC-12 has 12.

PAC-12 number six is probably be someone like Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Oregon State, and Washington State. No way are they playing USC, Stanford, Oregon, or UCLA.

The ACC has Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Notre Dame, and Virginia Tech in the top tier. After that you get North Carolina, NC State, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, BC, Wake Forest, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech. The American will be playing someone from the second group so I really don't see any difference.

Because the LV Bowl Pac #6 selection is the actual 6th selection. We don't really have the ACC 7th selection--instead we have a chance at the ACC #7.

The ACC will give the Military Bowl a selection taken from a pool that is made up of the 7th-10th selections. It could be any selection from that pool including #10. In fact, if the Military Bowl drew the 10th selection in a given year, it could be NO selection if the ACC runs out of qualified teams prior to #10 (that's not likely, but its possible).

That said, neither conference has a number one bowl game that's worth a flip. The advantage (so far) for the AAC is that we have not tied our champ or #2 to any game whatsoever. If we leave it that way, we may be able to land a bowl that's much better than anything available to us now when some power conference fails to fill all their bowl slots.

(08-14-2013 07:45 AM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  I would think with schools like Navy, ECU, UCF, and South Florida that we would have interest in it at least being a lower bowl. Thoughts?

I would follow Temple to a bowl game in Charleston in a heartbeat, it would give me a great excuse to stay at the Kiawah Island resort for 4 or 5 days. Charleston is a great city, incredible restaurants, golf is superb, easy in and out of Charleston airport. I wouldn’t care if the game was at a high school stadium I’d be there.

(08-15-2013 09:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Not sure we go beyond 5 primary bowl ties if the goal is to play the "at large" market with our top two picks. That's a riskier route, but it offers a much higher payoff.

There is that advantage, but I would be concerned on the possible negative effect on recruiting. Recruits are probably more interested in the number of guaranteed bowl games than amount of payouts. It's sort of a "bird in hand worth more than two in the bush" thing.

Charleston is only a 5 or 6 hour drive from UCF. I'd be in favor of a game there. Of course, I'd prefer if the American got behind the Cure Bowl instead. It is pretty much "shovel ready" and just needs 2 firm commitments from conferences that can fill the slots in order to get approved.

(08-15-2013 12:31 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 09:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Not sure we go beyond 5 primary bowl ties if the goal is to play the "at large" market with our top two picks. That's a riskier route, but it offers a much higher payoff.

There is that advantage, but I would be concerned on the possible negative effect on recruiting. Recruits are probably more interested in the number of guaranteed bowl games than amount of payouts. It's sort of a "bird in hand worth more than two in the bush" thing.

I'd love to have a guaranteed bowl that's a solid number one bowl. It simply doesn't exist. We will have plenty of bowls against P-5 conferences that we can sell to recruits. Plus, after a few years, you can toss out that we have played in the Belk Bowl, or Houston Bowl, or whatever Bowls we end up falling into. Its not ideal, but the end result puts that recruit in a better game. Heck, the Big East never knew where their number one was going anyway. As long as its a better game than we could get on our own, its likely the best route to take for this new conference.

(08-15-2013 10:14 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:26 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:54 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:49 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I thought the NCAA refused to approve bowls in South Carolina because of the confederate flag at the capitol.

The NCAA involving itself in state politics is ridiculous.

The Confederate Flag flying above the state capital building is what is ridiculous.

I think it's pretty awesome.

I guess we all missed the joke....

(08-15-2013 11:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I missed this. Apparently the MW will get the #6 selection from the Pac-12 (not the #7). That gives the Mountain West the highest P-5 selection in a G-5 bowl. Crap...out maneuvered again....


Doug Haller ‏@DougHaller 26 Jul
New Pac12 bowl selection order: Rose, Alamo, Holiday, San Francisco, Sun, Las Vegas & Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.

And Arescos failure appears to be complete.

I'm not 100% sure the Vegas is above the BWW Bowl. BWW despite their paycut is still more than the Vegas. Also, the only bowl officially signed for the MW is the Potato Bowl vs the MAC.

(08-15-2013 11:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I missed this. Apparently the MW will get the #6 selection from the Pac-12 (not the #7). That gives the Mountain West the highest P-5 selection in a G-5 bowl. Crap...out maneuvered again....


Doug Haller ‏@DougHaller 26 Jul
New Pac12 bowl selection order: Rose, Alamo, Holiday, San Francisco, Sun, Las Vegas & Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.

And Arescos failure appears to be complete.

The MWC has less competition out west since the the Pac12 is the only P5 conference west of the Rockies in contrast to the SEC, ACC and B10 all taking as many east coast based bowl slots as possible.

Bottom line: it's up to AAC members to make the conference more attractive to bowl games and networks.

(08-15-2013 01:10 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:14 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:26 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:54 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:49 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I thought the NCAA refused to approve bowls in South Carolina because of the confederate flag at the capitol.

The NCAA involving itself in state politics is ridiculous.

The Confederate Flag flying above the state capital building is what is ridiculous.

I think it's pretty awesome.

I guess we all missed the joke....

Exactly what I was thinking...

(08-15-2013 11:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I missed this. Apparently the MW will get the #6 selection from the Pac-12 (not the #7). That gives the Mountain West the highest P-5 selection in a G-5 bowl. Crap...out maneuvered again....


Doug Haller ‏@DougHaller 26 Jul
New Pac12 bowl selection order: Rose, Alamo, Holiday, San Francisco, Sun, Las Vegas & Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.

And Arescos failure appears to be complete.

It's obvious to everyone that the bowl situation hasn't worked out as we had hoped.

However, it wasn't exactly wine and roses under the previous administration. I don't know who wrote the below, but it's a humorous parody of a summary of a 2011 meeting. While it's over the top and still funny today, it doesn't give a picture of any harmony or leadership under the previous administration.

While each program would leave for a P5 conference tomorrow if they could, at least there is a perception that most remaining members/future members have a relatively cohesive vision and the current commissioner presents the conference in positive light.

Other options available?

...and regarding the other topic in this thread, I'm a lifelong southerner and I have deep emotional and family roots in my homeland, but the confederate flag with the deep-seeded emotions it raises throughout some segments of our society needs to disappear and particularly from any building of government administration. I haven't always felt that way, but it's time to quit waving a symbol that raises the accompanying emotions in anyone's face.

Quote:Unofficial Transcript From Last Night's BE Meeting
Marinatto (BE Commish) - I would like to thank everyone for being here for tonite's meeting on the future of the Big East.
Seeing that TCU made the trip all the way here certainly appears to re-enforce their commitment to the Big East.

TCU - You're reading too much into that.

Marinatto - Ok, but can I at least have a reporter print that?

TCU - No.

Marinatto - Ok, we'll reword it a bit. Ok, first off, does anyone have any questions?

Louisville - Yes. How the hell are you still in charge.

Marinatto - Good question. I have nothing. Next question.

WVU - It's about ****ing time we have a meeting of just the football schools. The basketball only teams are clueless.
You are finally showing some stones, Marinatto, for leaving them out of this meeting.

Marinatto - By the way, I have the basketball schools on phone conference with us right now.

WVU - You're a ****ing moron Marinatto.

Marinatto - ok, the first agenda item. We need to change the amount of money required to leave the conference. What should we change it to?

BE Basketball Only Schools On The Phone - One Billion Dollars

Louisville - Fiddy Cent.

WVU - **** You Marinatto

Marinatto - ok, the next agenda item. We currently require schools to remain with the conference for two years after announcing their departure.
We probably need to change that to stabilize the BE. What should we change the requirements to?

BE Basketball Only Schools On The Phone - One Millenium

Louisville - Thirteen MicroSeconds.

WVU - **** You Marinatto

Marinatto - ok, the next agenda item. What teams do we invite to join the BE to stabilize our FB conference.

BE Football Teams - Houston, Memphis, UCF, and ECU.

BE Basketball Teams - Army, Navy, The New Jersey Fine Arts Academy, And The University of Charlotte in volleyball only.

Marinatto - We have an agreement! I'll call Army, Navy, The New Jersey Fine Arts Academy, And The University of Charlotte
and have them submit their applications right now.

WVU - **** You ********

Louisville - We agree with WVU.

Cincinnatti - We just turned down a one billion dollar TV contract before Syracuse and Pitt stabbed us in the back.
How much money are we talking about if we swap Syracuse & Pitt for Army, Navy, The New Jersey Fine Arts Academy, And The University of Charlotte?

Marinatto - One Billion Dollars!

Cincinnatti - You found a network that will pay us one billion dollars???

Marinatto - No, we have to pay the network one billion dollars for broadcasting us.

WVU - **** You!!!!!!!!

Marinatto - Thank you all for attending tonite. It appears that the BE is stronger than ever. I'd like to express my sincere thanks to the
basketball only schools for sitting in on this meeting and giving us their expert guidance in this situation that the football teams placed us in.

WVU - **** You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(08-15-2013 11:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I missed this. Apparently the MW will get the #6 selection from the Pac-12 (not the #7). That gives the Mountain West the highest P-5 selection in a G-5 bowl. Crap...out maneuvered again....


Doug Haller ‏@DougHaller 26 Jul
New Pac12 bowl selection order: Rose, Alamo, Holiday, San Francisco, Sun, Las Vegas & Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.

And Arescos failure appears to be complete.

The situation between the MWC and AAC is so dramatically different it's not really a fair comparison. Those two conferences are on an island way out west. I'm not surprised the MWC got thrown a small bone from the PAC. We're shoved in amidst 4 huge power conferences. Given that, I'm not going to fall apart because they have a #6 slot. Don't we have more bowl games (what, 3 or 4) against P5 schools? The Military, BOBB, Birmingham... probably the AFB. I'd rather play more P5 schools, than trade some just to get one higher slot. Is the difference between the #6 slot and #7 THAT big a deal?

Now if they got a #2 or 3... then I might be impressed.

(08-15-2013 04:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I missed this. Apparently the MW will get the #6 selection from the Pac-12 (not the #7). That gives the Mountain West the highest P-5 selection in a G-5 bowl. Crap...out maneuvered again....


Doug Haller ‏@DougHaller 26 Jul
New Pac12 bowl selection order: Rose, Alamo, Holiday, San Francisco, Sun, Las Vegas & Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.

And Arescos failure appears to be complete.

The situation between the MWC and AAC is so dramatically different it's not really a fair comparison. Those two conferences are on an island way out west. I'm not surprised the MWC got thrown a small bone from the PAC. We're shoved in amidst 4 huge power conferences. Given that, I'm not going to fall apart because they have a #6 slot. Don't we have more bowl games (what, 3 or 4) against P5 schools? The Military, BOBB, Birmingham... probably the AFB. I'd rather play more P5 schools, than trade some just to get one higher slot. Is the difference between the #6 slot and #7 THAT big a deal?

Now if they got a #2 or 3... then I might be impressed.

Despite them having the highest P5 selection in a G5 bowl, I still think our bowl line-up will be better. We will likey end up with 4-5 P5 ties. The big failure on the bowl front has been the inability to land a viable #1 bowl for our champ. As it stands now, it's BCS or bust for our champ. The only remaining option to upgrade our champs bowl situation is to risk the "at large" pool.

we have one signed bowl just one what is the hold up all big bowls are gone sign with little bowls sign sign we need at least 5 bbva beef sign them and be done.
and 2 more sign something little bowls are better then no bowls just do something

(08-17-2013 02:25 PM)frank man Wrote:  we have one signed bowl just one what is the hold up all big bowls are gone sign with little bowls sign sign we need at least 5 bbva beef sign them and be done.
and 2 more sign something little bowls are better then no bowls just do something

In my next life, I want to be the car salesman that Frank Man goes to.