(08-13-2013 10:43 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:12 PM)jh Wrote:  I skimmed the video. It doesn't seem to say anything like what you say it says.

If you don't want to watch it then don't complain. I'll summarize. American birthrates are 1.6. The point of no return. The only thing keeping us from becoming a Muslim nation is illegal immigration. Never mind retaining our American culture

Most of the video is talking about Europe or what is going to happen in 2026. None of the little graphics said that immigrations was currently outpacing domestic births, with or without Hispanic immigrants.

It says exactly what I have said all along. Our birthrate is 1.6. With illegal immigration it is 2.11. The bare minimum. Our birth rate alone is below the point of no return. The video talks about the entire west and we are just a couple decades behind Europe.

(08-13-2013 10:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:43 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:12 PM)jh Wrote:  I skimmed the video. It doesn't seem to say anything like what you say it says.

If you don't want to watch it then don't complain. I'll summarize. American birthrates are 1.6. The point of no return. The only thing keeping us from becoming a Muslim nation is illegal immigration. Never mind retaining our American culture

Most of the video is talking about Europe or what is going to happen in 2026. None of the little graphics said that immigrations was currently outpacing domestic births, with or without Hispanic immigrants.

It says exactly what I have said all along. Our birthrate is 1.6. With illegal immigration it is 2.11. The bare minimum. Our birth rate alone is below the point of no return. The video talks about the entire west and we are just a couple decades behind Europe.

It's like you can't remember what you write. Where did you get the statistic that right now, in 2013 (I'll give you a couple of years earlier because it takes time to put statistics together), more people are immigrating to this country than being born here? The video does not say that.

(08-12-2013 03:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Let's be honest. This problem affects mainly white America. I don't want to turn this racial, but other races in the United States have a much higher birth rate than white America. Meanwhile people from non white countries continue to flock to the United States. Basically, these selfish "child free" trailblazers are just handing the keys to our once great nation over to foreign cultures. It won't matter when those people are outnumbered. We will be a communist country at that point.

I have a difficult time responding to your posts. I never know if I should use or

(08-13-2013 07:02 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:44 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why not? You don't seem to see any problem with open borders and illegal immigrants crossing them by the thousands daily.

I've never said any of that. You just like to jump to your own conclusions.

But you don't have any problem with native born birth rates being much lower than illegal immigrants crossing our borders. You keep thinking English will save the day. It won't. It's not.

I've never said anything about it actually. Just because I'm not worried doesn't mean that I support it.

I've only mentioned English or language maybe once in this thread.

Again, you've made your own conclusions. I'm just here to see what you come up with.

Oh I see. It doesn't affect you so you aren't concerned.

That's fine then buddy. Our low birth rate is destroying our way of life. It's a combination of people being too focused on their careers, the breakdown of the family unit, greed and selfishness. While Linda and Ron are off being the worlds best metrosexual couple in Malibu - living the child free life - More foreign born people are replacing the native born family unit. Many of which are non English speaking or are here just for the benefits. Some are here to harm us, as seen with the 9/11 terrorists, Ft Hood and Boston Bombers etc.

Slowly we are watching our customs come under assault(war on Christmas, removal of our religious monuments) and having outside cultures being forced upon us(Muslim Foot baths installed in University bathrooms, and entire sections of our cities being completely run in Spanish, Sharia zones etc)

But don't worry. It won't affect you. You don't seem to care and aren't that tied to our traditions and way of life anyway.

It's destroying our white way of life. I don't like soccer, I like football. More Applebee's less Mexican & Sushi restaurants.

(08-13-2013 11:04 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:43 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 10:12 PM)jh Wrote:  I skimmed the video. It doesn't seem to say anything like what you say it says.

If you don't want to watch it then don't complain. I'll summarize. American birthrates are 1.6. The point of no return. The only thing keeping us from becoming a Muslim nation is illegal immigration. Never mind retaining our American culture

Most of the video is talking about Europe or what is going to happen in 2026. None of the little graphics said that immigrations was currently outpacing domestic births, with or without Hispanic immigrants.

It says exactly what I have said all along. Our birthrate is 1.6. With illegal immigration it is 2.11. The bare minimum. Our birth rate alone is below the point of no return. The video talks about the entire west and we are just a couple decades behind Europe.

It's like you can't remember what you write. Where did you get the statistic that right now, in 2013 (I'll give you a couple of years earlier because it takes time to put statistics together), more people are immigrating to this country than being born here? The video does not say that.

There is actually no definitive way to calculate it because no one knows how many illegal immigrants are in the US, or are continuing to come in. There are only estimates.

Latest estimates that 1-2 million illegal immigrants are coming into the United States each year. This includes people over staying their visa. There were around 3 1/2 million births in the United States in 2011. In some parts of the country, 40 percent of those births were from mothers who are here illegally. Legal immigrants coming into the United States were about 2 million in 2011.

Births from legal residents accounts for a fertility rate of about 1.6 -1.8. When you factor in illegal immigration and anchor babies, it raised our fertility rate to 2.1. So yeah, if you want to count anchor babies, more births are taking place in the US than immigrants are coming in. Is that what you want to hang your hat on, because those people are not American citizens.

When our legal population has a birthrate of 1.6 ---you do the math.

So, no matter how badly you want to spin it away, we are not reproducing fast enough to maintain our cultural identity. You add this to the amount of legal immigrants coming into the country and it amplifies the situation.

I know, I know, people like you don't give two ***** about our identity or culture, but many of us do.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-4000401.html
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/0...abies-u-s/

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/c...irths.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...ecline-us/

(08-13-2013 07:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

I haven't advocated bypassing assimilation, it's just that people have a false view of how assimilation occurs. It happens across generations, not the day they move here.

It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

False. There are no language tests for citizenship. Or culture tests. Or religion tests. Why is that such a difficult concept for you to understand?


Again, define AMERICAN CULTURE

I already did. You just don't want to recognize it or acknowledge it exists. That's very typical on the left.

Educate yourself
http://www.immihelp.com/citizenship/

No, you haven't. Your refusal is typical of ignorant people.

Again, please tell me what you consider American Culture. Or do you not understand the words you are throwing out?

(08-14-2013 12:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 07:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I haven't advocated bypassing assimilation, it's just that people have a false view of how assimilation occurs. It happens across generations, not the day they move here.

It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

False. There are no language tests for citizenship. Or culture tests. Or religion tests. Why is that such a difficult concept for you to understand?


Again, define AMERICAN CULTURE

I already did. You just don't want to recognize it or acknowledge it exists. That's very typical on the left.

Educate yourself
http://www.immihelp.com/citizenship/

No, you haven't. Your refusal is typical of ignorant people.

Again, please tell me what you consider American Culture. Or do you not understand the words you are throwing out?

LOL You just got done saying there was no language tests. You got proved wrong. Now you are back wanting me to agree that America does not have its own culture.

You sir are ridiculous.

If you don't know what American culture is, you have no business calling yourself an American.

(08-14-2013 12:28 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 12:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 07:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

False. There are no language tests for citizenship. Or culture tests. Or religion tests. Why is that such a difficult concept for you to understand?


Again, define AMERICAN CULTURE

I already did. You just don't want to recognize it or acknowledge it exists. That's very typical on the left.

Educate yourself
http://www.immihelp.com/citizenship/

No, you haven't. Your refusal is typical of ignorant people.

Again, please tell me what you consider American Culture. Or do you not understand the words you are throwing out?

LOL You just got done saying there was no language tests. You got proved wrong. Now you are back wanting me to agree that America does not have its own culture.

You sir are ridiculous.

If you don't know what American culture is, you have no business calling yourself an American.

I want you to tell me what YOU think American culture is. How can we judge if it is being destroyed if you can't define it.

So what the hell do you think makes up American culture.

And you only need to know a little English to become a citizen - there is NO fluency requirement. If you are born here, there are no requirements. Navajos that speak only Navajo are still citizens. Somalis that are born here to Somali speaking parents are citizens. Germans too. So yes, you can be a citizen, and speak no English. Been that way since day one.

"They're not like us. They can't assimilate. They'll destroy our way of life!"

Said the same thing about the Irish a hundred years ago.

(08-14-2013 03:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  And you only need to know a little English to become a citizen - there is NO fluency requirement. If you are born here, there are no requirements. Navajos that speak only Navajo are still citizens. Somalis that are born here to Somali speaking parents are citizens. Germans too. So yes, you can be a citizen, and speak no English. Been that way since day one.

As a matter of fact, it wasn't uncommon for generations to go without speaking English regularly. New York had large Dutch-only communities up until WWII.

Yep, people who were born, led full, long, productive lives, and died, American citizens who never once uttered a syllable of English.

(08-14-2013 03:33 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 12:28 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 12:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 07:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  False. There are no language tests for citizenship. Or culture tests. Or religion tests. Why is that such a difficult concept for you to understand?


Again, define AMERICAN CULTURE

I already did. You just don't want to recognize it or acknowledge it exists. That's very typical on the left.

Educate yourself
http://www.immihelp.com/citizenship/

No, you haven't. Your refusal is typical of ignorant people.

Again, please tell me what you consider American Culture. Or do you not understand the words you are throwing out?

LOL You just got done saying there was no language tests. You got proved wrong. Now you are back wanting me to agree that America does not have its own culture.

You sir are ridiculous.

If you don't know what American culture is, you have no business calling yourself an American.

I want you to tell me what YOU think American culture is. How can we judge if it is being destroyed if you can't define it.

So what the hell do you think makes up American culture.

Why, because you already know what it is. You want me to play your denial game, and that's just not gonna happen.

I know people like you enjoy pretending that America is a cultures country that only houses outside cultures. Our very founding says otherwise.

Learn about our naturalization laws and stop making false claims.

(08-14-2013 03:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yep, people who were born, led full, long, productive lives, and died, American citizens who never once uttered a syllable of English.

Well guess what Cletus, we are an English speaking country and you cannot truly function in America without understanding English. English is now the International language in business. This is not the 1800s where entire communities were isolated from each other. So let stop minimizing the importance of our language.

Having entire sub communities and self segregation is not beneficial or prudent in today's American society. Hence why we now have our own identity. Hence why illegal immigration and non assimilation is bad.

(08-14-2013 03:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yep, people who were born, led full, long, productive lives, and died, American citizens who never once uttered a syllable of English.

Well guess what Cletus, we are an English speaking country and you cannot truly function in America without understanding English. English is now the International language in business. This is not the 1800s where entire communities were isolated from each other. So let stop minimizing the importance of our language.

Having entire sub communities and self segregation is not beneficial or prudent in today's American society. Hence why we now have our own identity. Hence why illegal immigration and non assimilation is bad.

I agree on English.

We've always had entire sub communities and self segregation. There was never a time in our history where it wasn't.

We just had a discussion on usage of the Battle Flag being used. I could argue that it's usage only encourages sub communities and self segregation. Do you disagree with that?

(08-14-2013 03:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yep, people who were born, led full, long, productive lives, and died, American citizens who never once uttered a syllable of English.

Well guess what Cletus, we are an English speaking country and you cannot truly function in America without understanding English. English is now the International language in business. This is not the 1800s where entire communities were isolated from each other. So let stop minimizing the importance of our language.

Having entire sub communities and self segregation is not beneficial or prudent in today's American society. Hence why we now have our own identity. Hence why illegal immigration and non assimilation is bad.

I agree on English.

We've always had entire sub communities and self segregation. There was never a time in our history where it wasn't.

We just had a discussion on usage of the Battle Flag being used. I could argue that it's usage only encourages sub communities and self segregation. Do you disagree with that?

I think that is more based in personal preferences. I like that flag, but it has nothing to do with racism for me. I was also a pretty big Dukes of Hazzard fan as a kid. I've always lived in and around the south. I can also go into any other region of the country and function. It's still part of the American identity. Sure people might poke fun of my accent or assume I am some kind of racist based on my origin, but that due to their ignorance and isolationism, not because I am entering a new culture.

The kind of sub communities I am talking about are evident in my own town. Portions of the south side of my city are 100 percent inhabited by illegal immigrants. Signs are in Spanish, no one speaks English in any of the business and their kids are trying to make it in our school system. That is not the American dream. That is not strengthening us as a nation. That is why immigration has caps. That is why we have naturalization processes. That is why people must assimilate. We are not the worlds dumping ground or refugee camp. We are a sovereign country with borders and an identity.

I am the person the OP refers to; no kids, 450 HP sports car, crotch rocket, boats, big shiny trucks, quiet vacations, land, money in the bank...

Sue me. When all of your kids are paying the price for all of the current morons running this country into bankruptcy, fascism, and Socialism I'll be gone. Instead of pointing the finger, you should get off your rears and help change things... we make fun of occupy but the overpass.org thread got overpassed by almost all of you. Lazy white folk. Lazy black folk. Lazy brown folk.

My kids aren't working themselves into the ground like I've done to "share the wealth" with a bunch of bums.

They only way I'm having kids is if this country has an epiphany... which would require something like a Rand Paul presidency and/or a Revolution.

(08-14-2013 03:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yep, people who were born, led full, long, productive lives, and died, American citizens who never once uttered a syllable of English.

Well guess what Cletus, we are an English speaking country and you cannot truly function in America without understanding English. English is now the International language in business. This is not the 1800s where entire communities were isolated from each other. So let stop minimizing the importance of our language.

Having entire sub communities and self segregation is not beneficial or prudent in today's American society. Hence why we now have our own identity. Hence why illegal immigration and non assimilation is bad.

Guess what, Skeeter.

With the exception of it not being the 1880s any more, the exact same arguments were used against people back then, and guess what. They assimilated.

But then, they also added something to the culture, and I think that's what you're really afraid of.

(08-14-2013 04:12 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yep, people who were born, led full, long, productive lives, and died, American citizens who never once uttered a syllable of English.

Well guess what Cletus, we are an English speaking country and you cannot truly function in America without understanding English. English is now the International language in business. This is not the 1800s where entire communities were isolated from each other. So let stop minimizing the importance of our language.

Having entire sub communities and self segregation is not beneficial or prudent in today's American society. Hence why we now have our own identity. Hence why illegal immigration and non assimilation is bad.

Guess what, Skeeter.

With the exception of it not being the 1880s any more, the exact same arguments were used against people back then, and guess what. They assimilated.

But then, they also added something to the culture, and I think that's what you're really afraid of.

You keep using that same invalid argument where you either reference the past, or use a false equivalent to some other group from the past.

People who are isolated are not part of society. They are adding nothing because they are not connected to society. They are only takers. Many of these people are only here for the benefits and have no intention of being American or learning our language.

We don't live in a society without telephones and the Internet. This is not the backwoods of the Ozarks circa 1810. The people you keep referencing either spoke English or made it their top priority to learn it. Otherwise they could not gain employment. Nowadays, we just support refugees with our tax dollars. That's not the point of America.

(08-14-2013 04:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You keep using that same invalid argument where you either reference the past, or use a false equivalent to some other group from the past.

My argument is as sound as a brass eagle. It's not my fault you don't see yourself in those xenophobes of yesteryear.

I'm Irish by descent, and a hundred years ago, some rube would be saying the same thing about me.