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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...out_sports

JP's answer starting at about the 1:05 mark says it all...
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 01:39 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Sounds like a bunch of bull to me.
Why did he wait until fall practice to do this?

Simple you tell a kid what needs to happen and fall camp is when you find out if his attitude really changed. It is obvious it didn't. He has enough time to transfer to a 1aa if he wants
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 01:39 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Sounds like a bunch of bull to me.
Why did he wait until fall practice to do this?

Because fall practice sucks? I'm pretty sure I bitched and whined more during four years of two-a-days in high school than in the entire rest of my life combined. And if you're already predisposed....
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 01:21 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 12:49 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  I've always thought HCGM was great coach, but I honestly think he is a crappy person. How can any of you sit here and believe its ok to ruin a kids life because the coach thinks we might win more games (which we all know is BS). JW did nothing wrong and he is being punished because UAB has a losing culture. Coach had a lot of options here and I think he chose the most drastic choice. I think JW will land on his feet, but doesn't change the fact this is wrong.

First, you don't know anything that the coach has tried in the past.

Second, you don't know if JW did anything wrong or not.

Third, you don't spend anywhere near as much time with the players unless you are parent or another player (which in the case of the latter, you should have better things to do than be on a message board), so I'll go ahead and trust the coach a little more than a fan.

Fourth, he didn't ruin JW's life. It's a game. If he's good enough to play in the NFL, he'll get a shot. But the school invests tens of thousands of dollars in student athletes in free food, free quarters, and free education and books. It is essentially a job. If an employer decides a person isn't doing his job, he gets fired. Or maybe he shouldn't because that would ruin the employee's life? That's how things work in the real world.

Look, I don't know what happened, nor should I since I'm not the coach. But that was a ridiculous statement.

I'm just curious, why do people think he's potentially good enough to play in the NFL. He's been a decent player at UAB, but I haven't seen a guy I thought is going to be playing on Sunday's.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 01:21 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 12:49 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  I've always thought HCGM was great coach, but I honestly think he is a crappy person. How can any of you sit here and believe its ok to ruin a kids life because the coach thinks we might win more games (which we all know is BS). JW did nothing wrong and he is being punished because UAB has a losing culture. Coach had a lot of options here and I think he chose the most drastic choice. I think JW will land on his feet, but doesn't change the fact this is wrong.

First, you don't know anything that the coach has tried in the past.

Second, you don't know if JW did anything wrong or not.

Third, you don't spend anywhere near as much time with the players unless you are parent or another player (which in the case of the latter, you should have better things to do than be on a message board), so I'll go ahead and trust the coach a little more than a fan.

Fourth, he didn't ruin JW's life. It's a game. If he's good enough to play in the NFL, he'll get a shot. But the school invests tens of thousands of dollars in student athletes in free food, free quarters, and free education and books. It is essentially a job. If an employer decides a person isn't doing his job, he gets fired. Or maybe he shouldn't because that would ruin the employee's life? That's how things work in the real world.

Look, I don't know what happened, nor should I since I'm not the coach. But that was a ridiculous statement.

I am former player who played under Callaway and for McGee. I have a ton friends still on the team, so I'm still pretty connected. I have spent a lot of time sitting in meetings in McGees office and I think he is full of **** about 75% of the time. There is a complete difference in McGee behind close doors. Your right I don't know everything that went on, but the real hypocrisy is a Coach that needed a second chance when he was college, not given one of his players a second chance. I realize that obviously have a personal biased against McGee, but based on my experiences I will never give him the benefit of the doubt.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
I have no idea what happened, but this is a really weird story.

From context it seems like the coach kicked one of the best players off of the team for acting lazy and/or having a bad attitude - (even though with said work ethic and attitude he was one of the best players on the team).

I don't know what to think about that, but since what I think about it makes no difference..., I guess I will just bask in the odd curiosity of it all.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
Great hands and the fact he had NFL scouts coming to a UAB practice. He made tough catches here would've love to see him climb the ranks of Blazer wideouts since he was already fourth with no 1,000 yard season. When the last time UAB has had a 1,000 receiving season from a player? The only other guy I could see scouts coming for is Backman he has the size he just has to put it together like the UCF game last year.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
I thought standard practice was to take lazy guys or bad attitudes and shuffle them down the depth chart.

Coaches interview basically said that he did nothing wrong, he just didn't want him around. Obviously we weren't justified in taking away his scholarship...that says a lot about the situation to me.

I'll just hope that the results this season make me forget all about this ugly little incident.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 02:45 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 01:21 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 12:49 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  I've always thought HCGM was great coach, but I honestly think he is a crappy person. How can any of you sit here and believe its ok to ruin a kids life because the coach thinks we might win more games (which we all know is BS). JW did nothing wrong and he is being punished because UAB has a losing culture. Coach had a lot of options here and I think he chose the most drastic choice. I think JW will land on his feet, but doesn't change the fact this is wrong.

First, you don't know anything that the coach has tried in the past.

Second, you don't know if JW did anything wrong or not.

Third, you don't spend anywhere near as much time with the players unless you are parent or another player (which in the case of the latter, you should have better things to do than be on a message board), so I'll go ahead and trust the coach a little more than a fan.

Fourth, he didn't ruin JW's life. It's a game. If he's good enough to play in the NFL, he'll get a shot. But the school invests tens of thousands of dollars in student athletes in free food, free quarters, and free education and books. It is essentially a job. If an employer decides a person isn't doing his job, he gets fired. Or maybe he shouldn't because that would ruin the employee's life? That's how things work in the real world.

Look, I don't know what happened, nor should I since I'm not the coach. But that was a ridiculous statement.

I am former player who played under Callaway and for McGee. I have a ton friends still on the team, so I'm still pretty connected. I have spent a lot of time sitting in meetings in McGees office and I think he is full of **** about 75% of the time. There is a complete difference in McGee behind close doors. Your right I don't know everything that went on, but the real hypocrisy is a Coach that needed a second chance when he was college, not given one of his players a second chance. I realize that obviously have a personal biased against McGee, but based on my experiences I will never give him the benefit of the doubt.
That's true of all coaches (public face/private face) even high school coaches.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 01:47 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...out_sports

JP's answer starting at about the 1:05 mark says it all...

+1.

JP said it. There will be one leader of this football team and it will be The Stache.

If McGee is willing to remove one of the best offensive players off the team, then what security does anyone have. (None) Reinforcing the "It's my way or the highway" style of leadership.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 02:45 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 12:49 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  JW did nothing wrong and he is being punished because UAB has a losing culture.
Your right I don't know everything that went on, but the real hypocrisy is a Coach that needed a second chance when he was college, not given one of his players a second chance.

The two bolded parts don't mesh. You can't be mad that Jackie was dismissed without reason AND be mad that he wasn't given a second chance. He wouldn't need another chance unless he did something wrong in the first place.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 02:56 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  Great hands and the fact he had NFL scouts coming to a UAB practice. He made tough catches here would've love to see him climb the ranks of Blazer wideouts since he was already fourth with no 1,000 yard season. When the last time UAB has had a 1,000 receiving season from a player? The only other guy I could see scouts coming for is Backman he has the size he just has to put it together like the UCF game last year.

I realize it's true he had NFL scouts coming in, but a ton of undrafted players have scouts show up every year. He did have good hands, and seemed like a solid route runner. I just thought he was a solid, but somewhat unspectacular player.

I too was really looking forward to seeing him this season. I thought he had the potential to catch 70 or so balls and get to 1,000 yards. But, we'll never know now.

I wish him the best, and I hope I'm wrong and he does make an NFL roster. Maybe it can just be an ongoing theme that no former UAB receiver will claim UAB on national television.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
I would note that McGee gave Daniel White another chance, even though he wasn't the initial coach in the matter.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
Give them both a week or two to cool off and maybe JW will be back on the squad. I would think that would be the overture made by the "Still on full Scholarship, still enrolled at UAB" line in the 1st press release. That Jackie know what he has to do to get back in the good favor Coach McGee.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
Changing the culture in an office or of a team is extremely difficult. Pain is usually involved and we are seeing some of that now.

Even though there still are questions, I'm glad Coach came out and took some of the negative speculations about JW out of play.

Go Blazers!
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 03:10 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 02:45 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 12:49 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  JW did nothing wrong and he is being punished because UAB has a losing culture.
Your right I don't know everything that went on, but the real hypocrisy is a Coach that needed a second chance when he was college, not given one of his players a second chance.

The two bolded parts don't mesh. You can't be mad that Jackie was dismissed without reason AND be mad that he wasn't given a second chance. He wouldn't need another chance unless he did something wrong in the first place.

To clear it up, I don't think JW did anything to warrant his punishment. But if he did, then McGee should have found another way to punish JW that would allow him to have a second chance.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 02:45 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 01:21 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 12:49 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  I've always thought HCGM was great coach, but I honestly think he is a crappy person. How can any of you sit here and believe its ok to ruin a kids life because the coach thinks we might win more games (which we all know is BS). JW did nothing wrong and he is being punished because UAB has a losing culture. Coach had a lot of options here and I think he chose the most drastic choice. I think JW will land on his feet, but doesn't change the fact this is wrong.

First, you don't know anything that the coach has tried in the past.

Second, you don't know if JW did anything wrong or not.

Third, you don't spend anywhere near as much time with the players unless you are parent or another player (which in the case of the latter, you should have better things to do than be on a message board), so I'll go ahead and trust the coach a little more than a fan.

Fourth, he didn't ruin JW's life. It's a game. If he's good enough to play in the NFL, he'll get a shot. But the school invests tens of thousands of dollars in student athletes in free food, free quarters, and free education and books. It is essentially a job. If an employer decides a person isn't doing his job, he gets fired. Or maybe he shouldn't because that would ruin the employee's life? That's how things work in the real world.

Look, I don't know what happened, nor should I since I'm not the coach. But that was a ridiculous statement.

I am former player who played under Callaway and for McGee. I have a ton friends still on the team, so I'm still pretty connected. I have spent a lot of time sitting in meetings in McGees office and I think he is full of **** about 75% of the time. There is a complete difference in McGee behind close doors. Your right I don't know everything that went on, but the real hypocrisy is a Coach that needed a second chance when he was college, not given one of his players a second chance. I realize that obviously have a personal biased against McGee, but based on my experiences I will never give him the benefit of the doubt.

You sound like your problem with McGee is personal and has nothing to do with Williams. Maybe this is the culture change he is referring to.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 03:34 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 02:45 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 01:21 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 12:49 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  I've always thought HCGM was great coach, but I honestly think he is a crappy person. How can any of you sit here and believe its ok to ruin a kids life because the coach thinks we might win more games (which we all know is BS). JW did nothing wrong and he is being punished because UAB has a losing culture. Coach had a lot of options here and I think he chose the most drastic choice. I think JW will land on his feet, but doesn't change the fact this is wrong.

First, you don't know anything that the coach has tried in the past.

Second, you don't know if JW did anything wrong or not.

Third, you don't spend anywhere near as much time with the players unless you are parent or another player (which in the case of the latter, you should have better things to do than be on a message board), so I'll go ahead and trust the coach a little more than a fan.

Fourth, he didn't ruin JW's life. It's a game. If he's good enough to play in the NFL, he'll get a shot. But the school invests tens of thousands of dollars in student athletes in free food, free quarters, and free education and books. It is essentially a job. If an employer decides a person isn't doing his job, he gets fired. Or maybe he shouldn't because that would ruin the employee's life? That's how things work in the real world.

Look, I don't know what happened, nor should I since I'm not the coach. But that was a ridiculous statement.

I am former player who played under Callaway and for McGee. I have a ton friends still on the team, so I'm still pretty connected. I have spent a lot of time sitting in meetings in McGees office and I think he is full of **** about 75% of the time. There is a complete difference in McGee behind close doors. Your right I don't know everything that went on, but the real hypocrisy is a Coach that needed a second chance when he was college, not given one of his players a second chance. I realize that obviously have a personal biased against McGee, but based on my experiences I will never give him the benefit of the doubt.

You sound like your problem with McGee is personal and has nothing to do with Williams. Maybe this is the culture change he is referring to.

Maybe so, but you've been part of the culture longer than I have.
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
i love how people can read the same story or hear the same interviews and come to completely different "obvious" conclusions
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RE: HCGM on WR Jackie Williams' dismissal: 'The culture of the program overrides talent"
(08-12-2013 04:07 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 03:34 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 02:45 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 01:21 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  
(08-12-2013 12:49 PM)Dracarys Wrote:  I've always thought HCGM was great coach, but I honestly think he is a crappy person. How can any of you sit here and believe its ok to ruin a kids life because the coach thinks we might win more games (which we all know is BS). JW did nothing wrong and he is being punished because UAB has a losing culture. Coach had a lot of options here and I think he chose the most drastic choice. I think JW will land on his feet, but doesn't change the fact this is wrong.

First, you don't know anything that the coach has tried in the past.

Second, you don't know if JW did anything wrong or not.

Third, you don't spend anywhere near as much time with the players unless you are parent or another player (which in the case of the latter, you should have better things to do than be on a message board), so I'll go ahead and trust the coach a little more than a fan.

Fourth, he didn't ruin JW's life. It's a game. If he's good enough to play in the NFL, he'll get a shot. But the school invests tens of thousands of dollars in student athletes in free food, free quarters, and free education and books. It is essentially a job. If an employer decides a person isn't doing his job, he gets fired. Or maybe he shouldn't because that would ruin the employee's life? That's how things work in the real world.

Look, I don't know what happened, nor should I since I'm not the coach. But that was a ridiculous statement.

I am former player who played under Callaway and for McGee. I have a ton friends still on the team, so I'm still pretty connected. I have spent a lot of time sitting in meetings in McGees office and I think he is full of **** about 75% of the time. There is a complete difference in McGee behind close doors. Your right I don't know everything that went on, but the real hypocrisy is a Coach that needed a second chance when he was college, not given one of his players a second chance. I realize that obviously have a personal biased against McGee, but based on my experiences I will never give him the benefit of the doubt.

You sound like your problem with McGee is personal and has nothing to do with Williams. Maybe this is the culture change he is referring to.

Maybe so, but you've been part of the culture longer than I have.

I don't think me being a fan has nothing to do with the culture that McGee is talking about.

A former player unwilling to give the coach the benefit of the doubt hints as to the problems this team has. Take your sour grapes elsewhere, please.
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