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10 years exceeds your expectations? Wow, we became UNCW and just as quickly.

(08-12-2013 09:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  10 years exceeds your expectations? Wow, we became UNCW and just as quickly.

I'd take a Blizzard over this sh!tstorm, though.

(08-12-2013 09:43 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 09:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  10 years exceeds your expectations? Wow, we became UNCW and just as quickly.

I'd take a Blizzard over this sh!tstorm, though.

Yeah, but would you get a "Buzz" if we only manage to squeeze out ten victories?

Monarchs, if Ramone Snowden was indeed pushed away by the coaching staff as most here seem to think, it makes the situation a head scratcher.

Blaine was a likeable person but did the program with a deficit of talent. SossJeff Jones ideally should be given a two year mullingan. But would seem that Ramone, at the very least, would be needed for just a roster count. And why risk alienating local high school coaches like that at the same time?

"10 years exceeds your expectations? Wow, we became UNCW and just as quickly."
I remain stunned at the collapse of the UNCW program. They were one of the top three programs in the CAA when I first started following it all a decade ago.

(08-12-2013 11:58 AM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Monarchs, if Ramone Snowden was indeed pushed away by the coaching staff as most here seem to think, it makes the situation a head scratcher.

Blaine was a likeable person but did the program with a deficit of talent. SossJeff Jones ideally should be given a two year mullingan. But would seem that Ramone, at the very least, would be needed for just a roster count. And why risk alienating local high school coaches like that at the same time?

For every potential scholarship at ODU, be it a full or partial; the recipient knows that he/she must meet admission requirements in order to proceed. There are no guarantees.

If Snowden didn't meet admission standards, then that is not a function of the coaching staff.
By every account I have heard, RS wasn't able to achieve minimum SAT scores.

I for one do not want ODU acquiesce and start to admit players that do not meet established minimum standards. Ethics aside, if nothing else, that is ultimately a recipe for APR disaster.

Additionally we should not hand out scholarships just to fill out this roster.

(08-12-2013 12:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:58 AM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Monarchs, if Ramone Snowden was indeed pushed away by the coaching staff as most here seem to think, it makes the situation a head scratcher.

Blaine was a likeable person but did the program with a deficit of talent. SossJeff Jones ideally should be given a two year mullingan. But would seem that Ramone, at the very least, would be needed for just a roster count. And why risk alienating local high school coaches like that at the same time?

For every potential scholarship at ODU, be it a full or partial; the recipient knows that he/she must meet admission requirements in order to proceed. There are no guarantees.

If Snowden didn't meet admission standards, then that is not a function of the coaching staff.
By every account I have heard, RS wasn't able to achieve minimum SAT scores.

I for one do not want ODU acquiesce and start to admit players that do not meet established minimum standards. Ethics aside, if nothing else, that is ultimately a recipe for APR disaster.

Additionally we should not hand out scholarships just to fill out this roster.

I'm not willing to give them that out. I'm surprised anyone even believes it.

We are very close to being in APR hell right now.

Anton's return, I suspect, has as much to do with his grades as his on-court productivity.

Could it be possible that these concerns were such that Snowden may have not been an ideal individual with which to grant admission and a scholly?

(08-12-2013 01:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:58 AM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Monarchs, if Ramone Snowden was indeed pushed away by the coaching staff as most here seem to think, it makes the situation a head scratcher.

Blaine was a likeable person but did the program with a deficit of talent. SossJeff Jones ideally should be given a two year mullingan. But would seem that Ramone, at the very least, would be needed for just a roster count. And why risk alienating local high school coaches like that at the same time?

For every potential scholarship at ODU, be it a full or partial; the recipient knows that he/she must meet admission requirements in order to proceed. There are no guarantees.

If Snowden didn't meet admission standards, then that is not a function of the coaching staff.
By every account I have heard, RS wasn't able to achieve minimum SAT scores.

I for one do not want ODU acquiesce and start to admit players that do not meet established minimum standards. Ethics aside, if nothing else, that is ultimately a recipe for APR disaster.

Additionally we should not hand out scholarships just to fill out this roster.

I'm not willing to give them that out. I'm surprised anyone even believes it.

Then what?
If admission standards, and the associated new APR standards (930) are not the underlying cause, what IS the reason Snowden was not admitted?

Remember, Snowden was slated to be a "preferred walk on".
That is a high risk designation that is normally given to a prospective player that either has questionable skills or questionable academic potential.

What other reason is there?

(08-12-2013 01:49 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:58 AM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Monarchs, if Ramone Snowden was indeed pushed away by the coaching staff as most here seem to think, it makes the situation a head scratcher.

Blaine was a likeable person but did the program with a deficit of talent. SossJeff Jones ideally should be given a two year mullingan. But would seem that Ramone, at the very least, would be needed for just a roster count. And why risk alienating local high school coaches like that at the same time?

For every potential scholarship at ODU, be it a full or partial; the recipient knows that he/she must meet admission requirements in order to proceed. There are no guarantees.

If Snowden didn't meet admission standards, then that is not a function of the coaching staff.
By every account I have heard, RS wasn't able to achieve minimum SAT scores.

I for one do not want ODU acquiesce and start to admit players that do not meet established minimum standards. Ethics aside, if nothing else, that is ultimately a recipe for APR disaster.

Additionally we should not hand out scholarships just to fill out this roster.

I'm not willing to give them that out. I'm surprised anyone even believes it.

Then what?
If admission standards, and the associated new APR standards (930) are not the underlying cause, what IS the reason Snowden was not admitted?

Remember, Snowden was slated to be a "preferred walk on".
That is a high risk designation that is normally given to a prospective player that either has questionable skills or questionable academic potential.

What other reason is there?

Jones didn't want him... and it may well have been because he was high risk, but the narrative is crap. Obviously he meets the NCAA standards or he wouldn't be going to Niagara. The admissions stuff is just a bunch of BS to give them the out for not pushing him through. That is clear based on all the Tweets and the Pilot article quoting RS's coach... they moved the goalposts after he met the requirements. ODU needs to pay me some money out of that PR budget if they expect me to toe the company line on this one.

(08-12-2013 09:43 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 09:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  10 years exceeds your expectations? Wow, we became UNCW and just as quickly.

I'd take a Blizzard's mom over this sh!tstorm, though.

FTFY

(08-12-2013 02:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:49 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 11:58 AM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Monarchs, if Ramone Snowden was indeed pushed away by the coaching staff as most here seem to think, it makes the situation a head scratcher.

Blaine was a likeable person but did the program with a deficit of talent. SossJeff Jones ideally should be given a two year mullingan. But would seem that Ramone, at the very least, would be needed for just a roster count. And why risk alienating local high school coaches like that at the same time?

For every potential scholarship at ODU, be it a full or partial; the recipient knows that he/she must meet admission requirements in order to proceed. There are no guarantees.

If Snowden didn't meet admission standards, then that is not a function of the coaching staff.
By every account I have heard, RS wasn't able to achieve minimum SAT scores.

I for one do not want ODU acquiesce and start to admit players that do not meet established minimum standards. Ethics aside, if nothing else, that is ultimately a recipe for APR disaster.

Additionally we should not hand out scholarships just to fill out this roster.

I'm not willing to give them that out. I'm surprised anyone even believes it.

Then what?
If admission standards, and the associated new APR standards (930) are not the underlying cause, what IS the reason Snowden was not admitted?

Remember, Snowden was slated to be a "preferred walk on".
That is a high risk designation that is normally given to a prospective player that either has questionable skills or questionable academic potential.

What other reason is there?

Jones didn't want him... and it may well have been because he was high risk, but the narrative is crap. Obviously he meets the NCAA standards or he wouldn't be going to Niagara. The admissions stuff is just a bunch of BS to give them the out for not pushing him through. That is clear based on all the Tweets and the Pilot article quoting RS's coach... they moved the goalposts after he met the requirements. ODU needs to pay me some money out of that PR budget if they expect me to toe the company line on this one.

I fervently hope that ODU does not lower itself to the NCAA standard.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...+Standards

The minimum ODU GPA is 2.5 and for the NCAA it is 2.3.
The NCAA SAT minimum is sliding, but based on a 2.5 GPA would be 820.
The 25th percentile SAT for ODU is a combined (Reading and Math) is 920, making the minimum likely well above 820.
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegep...ersity.htm

It may well be that we have "turned our heads'" to admissions in the past, but given the increased APR standards, we will have to be more diligent in the future.

In any event, that "preferred walk on" designation was was given for a reason. Academics seems the most likely.

(08-12-2013 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 02:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:49 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  For every potential scholarship at ODU, be it a full or partial; the recipient knows that he/she must meet admission requirements in order to proceed. There are no guarantees.

If Snowden didn't meet admission standards, then that is not a function of the coaching staff.
By every account I have heard, RS wasn't able to achieve minimum SAT scores.

I for one do not want ODU acquiesce and start to admit players that do not meet established minimum standards. Ethics aside, if nothing else, that is ultimately a recipe for APR disaster.

Additionally we should not hand out scholarships just to fill out this roster.

I'm not willing to give them that out. I'm surprised anyone even believes it.

Then what?
If admission standards, and the associated new APR standards (930) are not the underlying cause, what IS the reason Snowden was not admitted?

Remember, Snowden was slated to be a "preferred walk on".
That is a high risk designation that is normally given to a prospective player that either has questionable skills or questionable academic potential.

What other reason is there?

Jones didn't want him... and it may well have been because he was high risk, but the narrative is crap. Obviously he meets the NCAA standards or he wouldn't be going to Niagara. The admissions stuff is just a bunch of BS to give them the out for not pushing him through. That is clear based on all the Tweets and the Pilot article quoting RS's coach... they moved the goalposts after he met the requirements. ODU needs to pay me some money out of that PR budget if they expect me to toe the company line on this one.

I fervently hope that ODU does not lower itself to the NCAA standard.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...+Standards

The minimum ODU GPA is 2.5 and for the NCAA it is 2.3.
The NCAA SAT minimum is sliding, but based on a 2.5 GPA would be 820.
The 25th percentile SAT for ODU is a combined (Reading and Math) is 920, making the minimum likely well above 820.
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegep...ersity.htm

It may well be that we have "turned our heads'" to admissions in the past, but given the increased APR standards, we will have to be more diligent in the future.

In any event, that "preferred walk on" designation was was given for a reason. Academics seems the most likely.

We have 6 maybe 7 guys on our roster TOTAL and you want us to raise our standards NOW above the NCAA minimum?????

Give me a f.cking break. When the Ted is a ghost town, and it will be, and we could have had a local kid playing in here but chose to not admit him dispite him qualifying academically, you can all remember that it was those phony "standards" that pissed off boo Williams, hassell, a bunch of other local coaches and kept our standards high and talent low.

Enjoy watching our 5 win season with your "standards" in tact.

And certainly don't worry about the kid who wanted to come to ODU all along, fought his @ss off in the classroom and taking sat tests in order to qualify, got jerked around by the previous alcoholic coach who was then fired and while he was left twisting in the wind trying to qualify, when he eventually did the new coach wasn't interested and decided to not offer him a scholarship despite him meeting the NCAA minimum standard and us badly needing warm bodies, never the less a talented young man from here in Hampton roads who worked his butt off to qualify, which he did.

But hey, your standard of an extra point or two on the GPA or an extra couple right answers on a BS test like the sat are farrrrrrrr more important than rewarding a kid who wanted to come to ODU all along and did everything he could to get here with a scholarship that he EARNED.

Jeff jones is a piece of garbage and he has been his entire career......there is a reason he was fired from UVA and a reason no one besides his drinking buddy from UVA would EVER give him another chance.

Glad some of you find him likeable, much like Blaine, I find him reprehensible and couldn't be more upset that our genius AD hired him.

He turned away a good kid and hasn't found a single player in 4 months on the job. Speaks volumes and most of you are too blind to understand why this program is f.cked. Enjoy it.

Wood selig and Blaine Taylor have ruined ODU basketball for the next 5 years minimum. I'm glad some of you keep your positive opinions about them, but don't even suggest that I change my opinion on who jones, selig and Taylor all are.

The last thing we needed after Blaine freaking Taylor was another coach with a checkered past and wood selig went out and got maybe the most checkered coach in college basketball (his old buddy) who's been stuck at American for a decade after coaching UVA to an elite 8 and a sweet 16.

That pretty much says it all. Enjoy the fruits of your labor.......I'll spend my money elsewhere.

I'll give you credit for one thing: You're a master of hyperbole .

I understand all the reasons why Snowden should have been given a scholarship. Just curious why JJ did not like him?

(08-12-2013 01:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  We are very close to being in APR hell right now.

Anton's return, I suspect, has as much to do with his grades as his on-court productivity.

Could it be possible that these concerns were such that Snowden may have not been an ideal individual with which to grant admission and a scholly?

I think that could be a reason not to give Snowden a scholarship. However, that doesn't explain why Coach Jones offered him a scholarship in the first place.

Honest question: Do coaches routinely offer scholarships to players without knowledge of their academic standing?

(08-12-2013 03:30 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I'll give you credit for one thing: You're a master of hyperbole .

Tell me what I said that was hyperbole. Dispute anything I said, go ahead.

Razor,

Any ideas why Jones wouldn't want Snowden, especially after offering him a scholarship to begin with? If you can establish that, your post would make more sense. Was it Jones who decided not to admit Snowden, or was it the Admissions Department?

(08-12-2013 01:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  We are very close to being in APR hell right now.

Anton's return, I suspect, has as much to do with his grades as his on-court productivity.

Could it be possible that these concerns were such that Snowden may have not been an ideal individual with which to grant admission and a scholly?

Then say so. Don't lie and say they couldn't get him in. That makes Jones and the entire Athletic Department look foolish and weak.

(08-12-2013 03:41 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Razor,

Any ideas why Jones wouldn't want Snowden, especially after offering him a scholarship to begin with? If you can establish that, your post would make more sense. Was it Jones who decided not to admit Snowden, or was it the Admissions Department?

As stated in the above post, neither scenario reflects well on Jones. Either he sent the kid on a wild goose chase or he is weak.

(08-12-2013 03:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:47 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  We are very close to being in APR hell right now.

Anton's return, I suspect, has as much to do with his grades as his on-court productivity.

Could it be possible that these concerns were such that Snowden may have not been an ideal individual with which to grant admission and a scholly?

Then say so. Don't lie and say they couldn't get him in. That makes Jones and the entire Athletic Department look foolish and weak.

So, Jones and the AD should trash a kid just to make a point? Seems unnecessary.