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Coach Sumlin to give a press release at 7:30 pm on ESPN
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Sumlin: "Anything related to that issue . . . I'm not in a position discuss."
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There is speculation that A&M might go ahead and suspend Manziel in order to appear more 'proactive' and to avoid the possible forfeiture of any future wins in which he played.
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(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)JSA Wrote:  There is speculation that A&M might go ahead and suspend Manziel in order to appear more 'proactive' and to avoid the possible forfeiture of any future wins in which he played.

That may not be a bad idea. In reality, we are one of their easier games on the schedule, and they probably feel comfortable beating us without Manziel. If A&M proactively suspending him for our game means that he gets to play in more games in the future, than it is a good idea.
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(08-07-2013 08:47 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)JSA Wrote:  There is speculation that A&M might go ahead and suspend Manziel in order to appear more 'proactive' and to avoid the possible forfeiture of any future wins in which he played.

That may not be a bad idea. In reality, we are one of their easier games on the schedule, and they probably feel comfortable beating us without Manziel. If A&M proactively suspending him for our game means that he gets to play in more games in the future, than it is a good idea.

I wouldn't be stunned if he is "suspended" for the Rice and Sam Houston games, but his eligibility is restored in time for Alabama.
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(08-07-2013 08:53 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 08:47 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)JSA Wrote:  There is speculation that A&M might go ahead and suspend Manziel in order to appear more 'proactive' and to avoid the possible forfeiture of any future wins in which he played.

That may not be a bad idea. In reality, we are one of their easier games on the schedule, and they probably feel comfortable beating us without Manziel. If A&M proactively suspending him for our game means that he gets to play in more games in the future, than it is a good idea.

I wouldn't be stunned if he is "suspended" for the Rice and Sam Houston games, but his eligibility is restored in time for Alabama.

Except the NCAA precedent for something like this (selling autographed merchandise) is already set at a 4 game suspension (given to Ohio State's Pryor several years back). And should A&M proactively discipline him, they are effectively acknowledging guilt.
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(08-07-2013 08:53 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 08:47 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)JSA Wrote:  There is speculation that A&M might go ahead and suspend Manziel in order to appear more 'proactive' and to avoid the possible forfeiture of any future wins in which he played.

That may not be a bad idea. In reality, we are one of their easier games on the schedule, and they probably feel comfortable beating us without Manziel. If A&M proactively suspending him for our game means that he gets to play in more games in the future, than it is a good idea.

I wouldn't be stunned if he is "suspended" for the Rice and Sam Houston games, but his eligibility is restored in time for Alabama.

*cough*... $cam Newton ... *cough*

Regardless of Alabama, i am perfectly happy with their #1 sitting against Rice.
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*cough*... $cam Newton ... *cough*

Speaking of...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/2621609/
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(08-07-2013 09:05 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 08:53 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 08:47 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)JSA Wrote:  There is speculation that A&M might go ahead and suspend Manziel in order to appear more 'proactive' and to avoid the possible forfeiture of any future wins in which he played.

That may not be a bad idea. In reality, we are one of their easier games on the schedule, and they probably feel comfortable beating us without Manziel. If A&M proactively suspending him for our game means that he gets to play in more games in the future, than it is a good idea.

I wouldn't be stunned if he is "suspended" for the Rice and Sam Houston games, but his eligibility is restored in time for Alabama.

Except the NCAA precedent for something like this (selling autographed merchandise) is already set at a 4 game suspension (given to Ohio State's Pryor several years back). And should A&M proactively discipline him, they are effectively acknowledging guilt.

I believe it was 5 games. But of course, that precedent also included the ability to play in the Sugar Bowl and then get suspended the following year for games that didn't matter as much. The NCAA and consistency aren't exactly familiar with each other.

If Sumlin has his way, Manziel would be suspended for "the Rice game", "the Sam Houston game", "the SMU game", and "the UTEP game" or something along those lines like he did last year:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...826076.php
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(08-07-2013 09:09 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 08:53 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 08:47 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)JSA Wrote:  There is speculation that A&M might go ahead and suspend Manziel in order to appear more 'proactive' and to avoid the possible forfeiture of any future wins in which he played.

That may not be a bad idea. In reality, we are one of their easier games on the schedule, and they probably feel comfortable beating us without Manziel. If A&M proactively suspending him for our game means that he gets to play in more games in the future, than it is a good idea.

I wouldn't be stunned if he is "suspended" for the Rice and Sam Houston games, but his eligibility is restored in time for Alabama.

*cough*... $cam Newton ... *cough*

Regardless of Alabama, i am perfectly happy with their #1 sitting against Rice.

I think he will sit until the NCAA acts. If A$M beats Bama, I can see the SEC Schools demanding a retroactive forfeiture for any game he plays.
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Both Johnny Football and A$M have "Lawyered Up" with separate counsel. Johnny's lawyer is predicting he will start against Rice.

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No way Sumlin will let him play with this hanging, paving the way for Johnny to exit College Station in Spring 2014 alleging all sorts of garbage against the Aggies.
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(08-07-2013 09:21 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 09:09 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 08:53 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 08:47 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-07-2013 07:35 AM)JSA Wrote:  There is speculation that A&M might go ahead and suspend Manziel in order to appear more 'proactive' and to avoid the possible forfeiture of any future wins in which he played.

That may not be a bad idea. In reality, we are one of their easier games on the schedule, and they probably feel comfortable beating us without Manziel. If A&M proactively suspending him for our game means that he gets to play in more games in the future, than it is a good idea.

I wouldn't be stunned if he is "suspended" for the Rice and Sam Houston games, but his eligibility is restored in time for Alabama.

*cough*... $cam Newton ... *cough*

Regardless of Alabama, i am perfectly happy with their #1 sitting against Rice.

I think he will sit until the NCAA acts. If A$M beats Bama, I can see the SEC Schools demanding a retroactive forfeiture for any game he plays.

Whether or not Manziel played will be forgotten eventually and will be irrelevant to the eventual result. This is our chance to really make some noise.

Don't recall the last time I have felt this optimistic leading into a season. 04-cheers
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(08-08-2013 05:47 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Both Johnny Football and A$M have "Lawyered Up" with separate counsel. Johnny's lawyer is predicting he will start against Rice.

03-lmfao

No way Sumlin will let him play with this hanging, paving the way for Johnny to exit College Station in Spring 2014 alleging all sorts of garbage against the Aggies.

Agree. I don't see Kevin Sumlin playing Manziel until the investigations are complete --and Manziel is exonerated. If Coach Sumlin does choose to play Johnny Football in murky circumstances, I'll not only be surprised, I'll be disappointed. From what I've seen, Sumlin is a class act.
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(08-08-2013 06:23 PM)3-OwlsInTheNest Wrote:  
(08-08-2013 05:47 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Both Johnny Football and A$M have "Lawyered Up" with separate counsel. Johnny's lawyer is predicting he will start against Rice.

03-lmfao

No way Sumlin will let him play with this hanging, paving the way for Johnny to exit College Station in Spring 2014 alleging all sorts of garbage against the Aggies.

Agree. I don't see Kevin Sumlin playing Manziel until the investigations are complete --and Manziel is exonerated. If Coach Sumlin does choose to play Johnny Football in murky circumstances, I'll not only be surprised, I'll be disappointed. From what I've seen, Sumlin is a class act.

Let's see which QB gets most of the snaps with the First Team offense the week before the game. If A$M plays Johnny and he is later hung out to dry by the NCAA then Sumlin will incur the wrath of the Aggie Faithful. If the Backup can't deliver then Sumlin pays as well. But that comes with the paycheck. Aggies never blame a player.
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If Manziel plays and is later found ineligible, does that count as a win?
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(08-12-2013 11:12 AM)07owl Wrote:  If Manziel plays and is later found ineligible, does that count as a win?

No. The record book would reflect that we lost, but to no one.
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It depends on whether aTm was required to "forfeit" or "vacate" those wins. Years ago, the penalty was forfeiture, which means reversing the winner and loser. The more modern trend is "vacating" where the ostensible winner gives up the win, but the loser keeps the loss. Other than semantics, I'm not sure what difference it really makes.
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(08-12-2013 11:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It depends on whether aTm was required to "forfeit" or "vacate" those wins. Years ago, the penalty was forfeiture, which means reversing the winner and loser. The more modern trend is "vacating" where the ostensible winner gives up the win, but the loser keeps the loss. Other than semantics, I'm not sure what difference it really makes.

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(08-12-2013 11:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It depends on whether aTm was required to "forfeit" or "vacate" those wins. Years ago, the penalty was forfeiture, which means reversing the winner and loser. The more modern trend is "vacating" where the ostensible winner gives up the win, but the loser keeps the loss. Other than semantics, I'm not sure what difference it really makes.

One example of the difference is that there is no 1990 men's lacrosse champion. Syracuse vacated the championship, but Loyola (the other finalist) did not become the champion.

That Syracuse team was one of the best college lacrosse teams in history. And while the violation which led to the penalty was a real violation, my impression is that it was more of a serious lapse than a case of cheating across the board.

But in retrospect, perhaps forfeiture would have a more effective penalty. Today, most people refer to Syracuse as the 1990 champion (certainly you see it that way on T-shirts and so on), perhaps because the concept of not having a champion is just too weird for people to accept. So Syracuse gets unofficial credit even if they don't official recognition. If Loyola had been formally named champion, people might not give full credit to Loyola, but at least they wouldn't be blithely crediting Syracuse.
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