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(08-01-2013 08:58 PM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  We will all know the better team after week 4. Whoever beats VT by a bigger margin is the better team.

No, that will not prove anything...That is one the the most flawed logics of all time. Performance against common opponents typically does not reveal anything of such an absolute nature.

Also it does not matter who is the better team in week 4..The good thing is we get to play it out on the field.

And for the record I would be surprised if either of us beat Va Tech this season..But if it were to happen I think ECU would have a better chance mainly because we play them at home and you guys play in Lane Stadium.
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(08-01-2013 08:41 PM)banker Wrote:  Taliaferro was our 4th string back. He was the leading rusher in the game because Grooms, Butler and Watson all had various injuries. Essentially you beat our second string offense by 6, in double overtime, at home.

And you wonder why were confident? I've tried to be nice saying I think it will be a close game. In reality, I'll really be surprised if we don't beat you by at least 14.

So, you didn't play your first string O-line or WR's? Losing RB's =/= playing second string Offense. You played your starting O-line, WR's the entire game and your starting QB for 37:50 of the game. If that is your stance then you beat our 2nd/3rd string O in OT the year before, with us losing 3 O-linemen, 2 RB, 1WR. But, we lost that game, you lost the next year. We both have 11 games before we play, I'm focusing on them one by one till then.

But, it's cool, believe that last year's game has any bearing on this year's if you want. It may, it may not. 11 games is long time especially if the injury bug bites either team at key positions.
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A team scores 59 points in a loss, but the Marshall fan doesn't talk about their craptastic defense; he instead focuses on who wasn't there on offense. The backup quarterback is the guy that gave them a spark, but he is talking like Cato would have made the difference.
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Yes, the pre-season poll is a bit of a joke, rankings before the first down is even played! But it does play a factor because beginning with this USA/Coaches poll it is 1/3 of the BCS standings for this final year.

These are the FBS coaches voting on this. Hard to believe the only two CUSA schools receiving votes in the poll are also the two that are bolting after this season.

The MAC has 4 teams receiving votes
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USA today writer thinks a couple MAC teams and a C-USA team may find their way into the rankings eventually:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...5/2601815/
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(08-01-2013 04:13 PM)ODU14 Wrote:  The fact that some of you think that anyone in a non-AQ conference besides Boise and Louisville(though technically this will be AAC's last AQ year) is ranked in the top 25 is laughable. Just cause you beat a couple of Power 5 teams doesn't mean you're team is in the top 25 in the nation. Don't be delusional. The reason some 7-6 teams like USC is ranked and a team like Tulsa isn't is because USC plays ranked teams yearly. Even though they had a **** awful down year, the amount of talent they have is ridiculous. Tulsa's best team they played was Iowa State last year and that series is 1-1. They even lost to Arkansas. ECU hasn't beaten a winning team in the past two years. Why the hell do you deserve any points towards being a top 25 team in the nation? Hell Northern Illinois went undefeated in MAC play and won their championship game only to be stomped by Florida State who at the time was only ranked 3 higher than them. Being in the top 25 means you can beat most of the other teams not in the top 25. The closest to be able to would probably be Tulsa but even that is iffy.

Lets see La Tech last year was in the top 25, we blew out illinois, beat Virginia, lost by two to the top 10 aggies, lost 3 games last year all to Top 25 teams. We were very deserving of the ranking. However I do see where you're coming from being that you root for ODU, you must think that the rest of the league is your equilvilant, however that is not the case, maybe in 5 or 10 years after you've been in the cellar of CUSA you'll understand.
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(08-02-2013 02:39 PM)Observer1 Wrote:  
(08-01-2013 04:13 PM)ODU14 Wrote:  The fact that some of you think that anyone in a non-AQ conference besides Boise and Louisville(though technically this will be AAC's last AQ year) is ranked in the top 25 is laughable. Just cause you beat a couple of Power 5 teams doesn't mean you're team is in the top 25 in the nation. Don't be delusional. The reason some 7-6 teams like USC is ranked and a team like Tulsa isn't is because USC plays ranked teams yearly. Even though they had a **** awful down year, the amount of talent they have is ridiculous. Tulsa's best team they played was Iowa State last year and that series is 1-1. They even lost to Arkansas. ECU hasn't beaten a winning team in the past two years. Why the hell do you deserve any points towards being a top 25 team in the nation? Hell Northern Illinois went undefeated in MAC play and won their championship game only to be stomped by Florida State who at the time was only ranked 3 higher than them. Being in the top 25 means you can beat most of the other teams not in the top 25. The closest to be able to would probably be Tulsa but even that is iffy.

Lets see La Tech last year was in the top 25, we blew out illinois, beat Virginia, lost by two to the top 10 aggies, lost 3 games last year all to Top 25 teams. We were very deserving of the ranking. However I do see where you're coming from being that you root for ODU, you must think that the rest of the league is your equilvilant, however that is not the case, maybe in 5 or 10 years after you've been in the cellar of CUSA you'll understand.

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(08-01-2013 04:13 PM)ODU14 Wrote:  The fact that some of you think that anyone in a non-AQ conference besides Boise and Louisville(though technically this will be AAC's last AQ year) is ranked in the top 25 is laughable. Just cause you beat a couple of Power 5 teams doesn't mean you're team is in the top 25 in the nation. Don't be delusional. The reason some 7-6 teams like USC is ranked and a team like Tulsa isn't is because USC plays ranked teams yearly. Even though they had a **** awful down year, the amount of talent they have is ridiculous. Tulsa's best team they played was Iowa State last year and that series is 1-1. They even lost to Arkansas. ECU hasn't beaten a winning team in the past two years. Why the hell do you deserve any points towards being a top 25 team in the nation? Hell Northern Illinois went undefeated in MAC play and won their championship game only to be stomped by Florida State who at the time was only ranked 3 higher than them. Being in the top 25 means you can beat most of the other teams not in the top 25. The closest to be able to would probably be Tulsa but even that is iffy.
Do you know anything about this Conf? Or the history of any of te teams in this league. And no, being in the top 25 does not mean you can beat any of the 25 on the list. Your school has nt even played one down of football that matters, so relax and think before you write.
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(08-02-2013 02:46 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 02:39 PM)Observer1 Wrote:  
(08-01-2013 04:13 PM)ODU14 Wrote:  The fact that some of you think that anyone in a non-AQ conference besides Boise and Louisville(though technically this will be AAC's last AQ year) is ranked in the top 25 is laughable. Just cause you beat a couple of Power 5 teams doesn't mean you're team is in the top 25 in the nation. Don't be delusional. The reason some 7-6 teams like USC is ranked and a team like Tulsa isn't is because USC plays ranked teams yearly. Even though they had a **** awful down year, the amount of talent they have is ridiculous. Tulsa's best team they played was Iowa State last year and that series is 1-1. They even lost to Arkansas. ECU hasn't beaten a winning team in the past two years. Why the hell do you deserve any points towards being a top 25 team in the nation? Hell Northern Illinois went undefeated in MAC play and won their championship game only to be stomped by Florida State who at the time was only ranked 3 higher than them. Being in the top 25 means you can beat most of the other teams not in the top 25. The closest to be able to would probably be Tulsa but even that is iffy.

Lets see La Tech last year was in the top 25, we blew out illinois, beat Virginia, lost by two to the top 10 aggies, lost 3 games last year all to Top 25 teams. We were very deserving of the ranking. However I do see where you're coming from being that you root for ODU, you must think that the rest of the league is your equilvilant, however that is not the case, maybe in 5 or 10 years after you've been in the cellar of CUSA you'll understand.

When I see Old Dominion I think LTL carrier.

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Haha yall crack me up. I was talking from a college football fan's perspective not an ODU fan. And yeah Louisiana Tech is probably one of the few exceptions. I agree they should have been rated in top 25. Like you said they only lost to TAMU by 2, lost to a good Utah State in OT, and beat non-conference opponents. The rest of the teams in the conference is what I'm talking about. And when I say this i mean currently. I agree the skip Holtz era ECU shouldve been ranked around the time of them beating Boise and WVU. Even Marshall in the early 2000's. I'm talking about the current last couple of years and going forward. My original post was kind of a blind rage reaction to Tulsa and ECU posts. There are teams in non AQ conferences that are pretty good. But until I see them play P5 teams and win, I don't consider them worthy to be on the polls at all.
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(08-01-2013 04:25 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  ...BTW, NIU lost to Iowa last year and Iowa was not good; so NIU's success comes from playing in the MAC rather than in a league like CUSA. Hell Marshall was the same way and then they came to CUSA and they have been in the witness protection program every since.
NIU lost by 1 point late in the 4th at Iowa. They went on to beat 4 teams with 9+ wins, beat an 11-1 team ranked #17th in the country and you're suggesting they would have had a harder time in CUSA? Not in 2012. The MAC had 4 teams ranked last year, how many did CUSA have?

Show me 1 Marshall fan that says their drop off has anything to do with changing conferences. Marshall's record v CUSA teams since joining CUSA is .469 and against the MAC is .500.

Notre Dame is 0-4 in BCS bowls and 3 of those losses rank in the top 10 largest blow outs in BC Bowl history, including last year's 42-14 embarrassment. If they can bounce right back and be #11 this year then why can't an NIU team that finished in the top 25 start in the top 25 this year too?
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(08-03-2013 12:27 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(08-01-2013 04:25 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  ...BTW, NIU lost to Iowa last year and Iowa was not good; so NIU's success comes from playing in the MAC rather than in a league like CUSA. Hell Marshall was the same way and then they came to CUSA and they have been in the witness protection program every since.
NIU lost by 1 point late in the 4th at Iowa. They went on to beat 4 teams with 9+ wins, beat an 11-1 team ranked #17th in the country and you're suggesting they would have had a harder time in CUSA? Not in 2012. The MAC had 4 teams ranked last year, how many did CUSA have?

Show me 1 Marshall fan that says their drop off has anything to do with changing conferences. Marshall's record v CUSA teams since joining CUSA is .469 and against the MAC is .500.

Notre Dame is 0-4 in BCS bowls and 3 of those losses rank in the top 10 largest blow outs in BC Bowl history, including last year's 42-14 embarrassment. If they can bounce right back and be #11 this year then why can't an NIU team that finished in the top 25 start in the top 25 this year too?

You're really gonna count MAC wins against us prior to us going 1-AA and then returning to the MAC 30 years later? We had a serious dropoff going into CUSA. It wasn't totally the conference but we did lose the winningest coach in our history and replaced him with the worst one in 25 years. We also lost a lot of schollies through probation. We've taken our lumps but many pieces are falling into place. Time to see if the coach has figured anything out. If not we'll still be no shows. If we are clicking then we can beat anyone we play this year. Not will, but are certainly capable.
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(08-01-2013 12:32 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(08-01-2013 12:15 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  don't understand preseason polls...wish they were not around...make teams earn their spots on this years poll by their results this year...

I never really minded them when they were just for fun. But when it is 1/3 of the BCS formula, it's really criminal to do preseason polls. They can make or break a team's BCS hopes before a down of football is played.

That's why it's 1/3 of the formula...totally agree is criminal and just makes it more of a joke.

It would only hurt the big boys if they waited a few weeks to develop the initial ranking....heaven forbid a david in the waiting to crash the party...hell, not even sure that would matter (waiting)....it's all media driven regardless

edit: not arguing that Bama or OSU don't deserve their ranking....however, is obvious you could juggle 90% of the top 25 every year and it would basically be the same grouping in August....wtfe
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(08-03-2013 01:52 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 12:27 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(08-01-2013 04:25 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  ...BTW, NIU lost to Iowa last year and Iowa was not good; so NIU's success comes from playing in the MAC rather than in a league like CUSA. Hell Marshall was the same way and then they came to CUSA and they have been in the witness protection program every since.
NIU lost by 1 point late in the 4th at Iowa. They went on to beat 4 teams with 9+ wins, beat an 11-1 team ranked #17th in the country and you're suggesting they would have had a harder time in CUSA? Not in 2012. The MAC had 4 teams ranked last year, how many did CUSA have?

Show me 1 Marshall fan that says their drop off has anything to do with changing conferences. Marshall's record v CUSA teams since joining CUSA is .469 and against the MAC is .500.

Notre Dame is 0-4 in BCS bowls and 3 of those losses rank in the top 10 largest blow outs in BC Bowl history, including last year's 42-14 embarrassment. If they can bounce right back and be #11 this year then why can't an NIU team that finished in the top 25 start in the top 25 this year too?

You're really gonna count MAC wins against us prior to us going 1-AA and then returning to the MAC 30 years later? We had a serious dropoff going into CUSA. It wasn't totally the conference but we did lose the winningest coach in our history and replaced him with the worst one in 25 years. We also lost a lot of schollies through probation. We've taken our lumps but many pieces are falling into place. Time to see if the coach has figured anything out. If not we'll still be no shows. If we are clicking then we can beat anyone we play this year. Not will, but are certainly capable.

no, those numbers were since 2005. Marshall is 3-3 (.500) against the MAC since joining CUSA. My point was Marshall didn't move to CUSA and start losing more conference games because the competition suddenly got harder while continuing to dominate the MAC when playing them OOC.
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(08-03-2013 10:33 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 01:52 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 12:27 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(08-01-2013 04:25 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  ...BTW, NIU lost to Iowa last year and Iowa was not good; so NIU's success comes from playing in the MAC rather than in a league like CUSA. Hell Marshall was the same way and then they came to CUSA and they have been in the witness protection program every since.
NIU lost by 1 point late in the 4th at Iowa. They went on to beat 4 teams with 9+ wins, beat an 11-1 team ranked #17th in the country and you're suggesting they would have had a harder time in CUSA? Not in 2012. The MAC had 4 teams ranked last year, how many did CUSA have?

Show me 1 Marshall fan that says their drop off has anything to do with changing conferences. Marshall's record v CUSA teams since joining CUSA is .469 and against the MAC is .500.

Notre Dame is 0-4 in BCS bowls and 3 of those losses rank in the top 10 largest blow outs in BC Bowl history, including last year's 42-14 embarrassment. If they can bounce right back and be #11 this year then why can't an NIU team that finished in the top 25 start in the top 25 this year too?

You're really gonna count MAC wins against us prior to us going 1-AA and then returning to the MAC 30 years later? We had a serious dropoff going into CUSA. It wasn't totally the conference but we did lose the winningest coach in our history and replaced him with the worst one in 25 years. We also lost a lot of schollies through probation. We've taken our lumps but many pieces are falling into place. Time to see if the coach has figured anything out. If not we'll still be no shows. If we are clicking then we can beat anyone we play this year. Not will, but are certainly capable.

no, those numbers were since 2005. Marshall is 3-3 (.500) against the MAC since joining CUSA. My point was Marshall didn't move to CUSA and start losing more conference games because the competition suddenly got harder while continuing to dominate the MAC when playing them OOC.

So if Marshall is .500 against the MAC in that time frame, then what are they batting against CUSA?
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(08-03-2013 11:17 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 10:33 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 01:52 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 12:27 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(08-01-2013 04:25 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  ...BTW, NIU lost to Iowa last year and Iowa was not good; so NIU's success comes from playing in the MAC rather than in a league like CUSA. Hell Marshall was the same way and then they came to CUSA and they have been in the witness protection program every since.
NIU lost by 1 point late in the 4th at Iowa. They went on to beat 4 teams with 9+ wins, beat an 11-1 team ranked #17th in the country and you're suggesting they would have had a harder time in CUSA? Not in 2012. The MAC had 4 teams ranked last year, how many did CUSA have?

Show me 1 Marshall fan that says their drop off has anything to do with changing conferences. Marshall's record v CUSA teams since joining CUSA is .469 and against the MAC is .500.

Notre Dame is 0-4 in BCS bowls and 3 of those losses rank in the top 10 largest blow outs in BC Bowl history, including last year's 42-14 embarrassment. If they can bounce right back and be #11 this year then why can't an NIU team that finished in the top 25 start in the top 25 this year too?

You're really gonna count MAC wins against us prior to us going 1-AA and then returning to the MAC 30 years later? We had a serious dropoff going into CUSA. It wasn't totally the conference but we did lose the winningest coach in our history and replaced him with the worst one in 25 years. We also lost a lot of schollies through probation. We've taken our lumps but many pieces are falling into place. Time to see if the coach has figured anything out. If not we'll still be no shows. If we are clicking then we can beat anyone we play this year. Not will, but are certainly capable.

no, those numbers were since 2005. Marshall is 3-3 (.500) against the MAC since joining CUSA. My point was Marshall didn't move to CUSA and start losing more conference games because the competition suddenly got harder while continuing to dominate the MAC when playing them OOC.

So if Marshall is .500 against the MAC in that time frame, then what are they batting against CUSA?

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Also Central Florida was terrible in the MAC and when getting into CUSA did a 180 and have been much better. If it was all the MAC the UCF should have been great and if it was all due to CUSA being terrible then Marshal should have been great. The honest answer that nobody likes because it puts the onus on their own team is that it is the individual school every year and not its conference that is doing the vast majority of the work.
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(08-01-2013 12:50 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  How is USC ranked every preseason and they have sucked the last 5 seasons?
Really?

08: (Pete Carroll) 12-1
09: 9-4
10: (Lane Kiffin) 8-5
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