(07-28-2013 11:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 11:46 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 08:10 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 07:53 AM)ULdave Wrote:  I still think that it is wrong that Louisville and Rutgers aren't sharing in the exit fees of every program that left before them.

Where did it go ? WVU, TCU, Syracuse, Pitt left 1-2 years before Us so it should be there to help on our exit fees. If USF, Cincinnati and UConn get a cut of those and the UL, Rutgers,Boise, SDSU, ND exit fees on top of the other four schools fees, then somethings out of wack. They will also gain the entry fees from the Noobs as well.
Shouldnt that money be Escrowed over a period of time and left behind if any of those leave during that period ?
UL and Rutgers are entitled to the earlier exit fees as those were before they announced Their departures and are still in the "A" conference as well as paying the set exit fee.

This is exactly why Rutgers sued the conference saying we don't owe exit fees. Or to break it down based on what's owed to us by ND, WVU, Cuse and Pitt's exit fees it should cancel out what we do owe. Same should be the case for UL.

can we start by mentioning which schools that left the BE didnt sue or get sued over the exit fee? because only syracuse did that. suing to get out of an exit fee is common practice at the d1 level

For clarity sake, Louisville has not sued the Big East/AAC.

ahh their just letting rutgers do all the work LOL

(07-28-2013 12:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  ahh their just letting rutgers do all the work LOL

No. Not like that at all.

Why is there always a hidden message (trolling attempt) in Miko's posts. He's very good at disguising it.

(07-28-2013 10:51 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 08:11 AM)john01992 Wrote:  the big east has roughly 70 mill in big east exit fees + 40 million in tourny payouts

syracuse/pitt are entitled to part of wvu/tcu exit fee

louisville/rutgers/and any member that joined before those schools split are entitled to part of syracuse/pitts/bsu/sdsu exit fee

the c7 are legally entitled to part of those exit fees as well

the football schools that left all gave up their claims to those exit fees in exchange for paying a lower exit fee.

the c7 settled for only taking 10 million in exchange for the name, msg, etc.

which leaves them with 100 mill.....but heres where things get tricky. about 10-15 mill goes to lawyers.

because the new members are getting a much lower tv contract than they were promised, the 4 remaining BE schools must give them part of the exit fees as compensation.

uconn/cincy/usf will still get a huge payday. but its not gonna be as big as people think

I don't think UConn/Cincy/USF owe any of that money to the incoming 4 schools. It was a long time ago that this was settled but I believe UConn/Cincy/USF are having the $100M paid out to them over 6 years so that they can ease the fall from BCS conference payout to the $2M that the AAC is paying. I don't remember any talk of the new 4 incoming schools getting a piece of the money or Cincy getting a big chunk all at once so that they could pour it into their stadium renovation. I'd look it up and post a link but I don't care that much about the issue.

This is right. There is no money from the exit fee money involved in financing the stadium renovation at all.

Exit fees were intended to re-imburse conference members for damage caused the by school exiting. UConn, Cincy, and USF were the ones damaged in the shuffle. Obviously you can say I am baised, but I don't think its unfair. The money is being paid out over time so if anyone leaves they don't get any more and they still have to pay an exit fee.

(07-28-2013 04:18 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 10:51 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 08:11 AM)john01992 Wrote:  the big east has roughly 70 mill in big east exit fees + 40 million in tourny payouts

syracuse/pitt are entitled to part of wvu/tcu exit fee

louisville/rutgers/and any member that joined before those schools split are entitled to part of syracuse/pitts/bsu/sdsu exit fee

the c7 are legally entitled to part of those exit fees as well

the football schools that left all gave up their claims to those exit fees in exchange for paying a lower exit fee.

the c7 settled for only taking 10 million in exchange for the name, msg, etc.

which leaves them with 100 mill.....but heres where things get tricky. about 10-15 mill goes to lawyers.

because the new members are getting a much lower tv contract than they were promised, the 4 remaining BE schools must give them part of the exit fees as compensation.

uconn/cincy/usf will still get a huge payday. but its not gonna be as big as people think

I don't think UConn/Cincy/USF owe any of that money to the incoming 4 schools. It was a long time ago that this was settled but I believe UConn/Cincy/USF are having the $100M paid out to them over 6 years so that they can ease the fall from BCS conference payout to the $2M that the AAC is paying. I don't remember any talk of the new 4 incoming schools getting a piece of the money or Cincy getting a big chunk all at once so that they could pour it into their stadium renovation. I'd look it up and post a link but I don't care that much about the issue.

This is right. There is no money from the exit fee money involved in financing the stadium renovation at all.

Exit fees were intended to re-imburse conference members for damage caused the by school exiting. UConn, Cincy, and USF were the ones damaged in the shuffle. Obviously you can say I am baised, but I don't think its unfair. The money is being paid out over time so if anyone leaves they don't get any more and they still have to pay an exit fee.

Not sharing the exit fees equitably is a demonstration of greed in my opinion. It's like turning your back on your conference partners who are striving to make this work.

(07-28-2013 12:10 PM)ULdave Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 12:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  ahh their just letting rutgers do all the work LOL

No. Not like that at all.

Yes it is. Rutgers sets the precdent for LV

(07-28-2013 05:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 04:18 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  This is right. There is no money from the exit fee money involved in financing the stadium renovation at all.

Exit fees were intended to re-imburse conference members for damage caused the by school exiting. UConn, Cincy, and USF were the ones damaged in the shuffle. Obviously you can say I am baised, but I don't think its unfair. The money is being paid out over time so if anyone leaves they don't get any more and they still have to pay an exit fee.

Not sharing the exit fees equitably is a demonstration of greed in my opinion. It's like turning your back on your conference partners who are striving to make this work.

Every school that left the Big East did it for greedy, selfish reasons. Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, Rutgers, and Louisville all left for money and 'turned their back on their conference members'. I certainly don't blame them at all, because the sad thing is Athletic Departments are more business arms of the school nowadays more than anything else. Welcome to the new world of college athletics. This isn't a charity.

I don't see how splitting the exit fee money makes this conference more 'solidified' or stable either. If you think it somehow will, feel free to explain. The status it has been relegated to will mean it will always be unstable if someone gets an opportunity to move 'up'.

Agree, being in the AAC is much like buying a starter home.

(07-28-2013 07:38 AM)miko33 Wrote:  ...which will be a nice windfall profit for those schools. However, for the sake of the conference, it would make sense to have all of the AAC share equally in the exit fees. Doing this will promote solidarity among the member schools, demonstrate a commitment by all schools to stick it out long term and develop trust among the schools. IMHO, this is needed for the long term success of the conference. If the 3 schools hoard all of that money, it will create divisions between the schools and demonstrate that some schools have zero loyalty to the conference.

Nice of you to dole out free advice now that your school has abandoned the conference.

If you really mean what you say about "promoting solidarity, demonstrating commitment by all schools to stick it out long term and develop(ing) trust among the schools", then you would have been encouraging your school to have stuck with the Big East or at least to break away with the football schools and to find a way to keep that bunch together. Unfortunately your president was too busy double dealing the rest of us. Maybe for solidarity, commitment, and trust, you could encourage him to renege on the the ACC move and come back to the AAC (nee Big East).

Nope. We're going to do just what you guys did, which is find a way to improve our situation rather than to be stuck on the road to destruction, oblivion, and irrelevance.

(07-28-2013 09:51 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I realize that the decision was already made about how the exit fees are to be allocated. However, it is my opinion that it should be an equitable distribution based on what I think would be best for the conference moving forward. Still, Pitt and SU should be entitled to the exit fees from TCU and WVU because both were members of the conference when both schools left. I won't push that issue here, but it would have been the right thing to do.

This is not a troll. I never troll this board TBH. This is my viewpoint on what I think the ACC needs in order to get the membership to buy into the vision that Aresco and the most committed presidents have for the future of the AAC. There is still the vibe from the 3 schools - especially UCONN - that they would stab their partner's backs in a NY minute in order to leave their friends behind for a new conference. A demonstration of solidarity and teamwork would be very much needed and appreciated.

Boy are you full of crap.

You're interested in what's best for the conference?

Nope. You're interested in what's best for Pitt. Don't be disingenuous; there's nothing wrong with that.

SU and Pitt should be entitled to exit fees?

Nope. They were entitled to those exit fees as long as they stayed with the conference. They didn't. That ship has sailed.

You're pointing fingers based on a "vibe" that some schools "would stab their partners in the back in a NY minute"?

Why don't you try this on for size? Forget about the vibe. Focus on the schools that actually did stab their partners in the back in a Pittsburgh minute. No guess work here about whether back stabbing will be happening. No need to rely on vibes. Instead, actual fact. Job done. Backstabbing accomplished. Two weeks after he recommended turning down an F'n $1.2 million, the Pitt chancellor packed his bags and left town. Nice job, Nordenerd.

Your post just reeks with disingenuousness. Save your free advice for your new partners. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

(07-28-2013 05:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 04:18 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 10:51 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 08:11 AM)john01992 Wrote:  the big east has roughly 70 mill in big east exit fees + 40 million in tourny payouts

syracuse/pitt are entitled to part of wvu/tcu exit fee

louisville/rutgers/and any member that joined before those schools split are entitled to part of syracuse/pitts/bsu/sdsu exit fee

the c7 are legally entitled to part of those exit fees as well

the football schools that left all gave up their claims to those exit fees in exchange for paying a lower exit fee.

the c7 settled for only taking 10 million in exchange for the name, msg, etc.

which leaves them with 100 mill.....but heres where things get tricky. about 10-15 mill goes to lawyers.

because the new members are getting a much lower tv contract than they were promised, the 4 remaining BE schools must give them part of the exit fees as compensation.

uconn/cincy/usf will still get a huge payday. but its not gonna be as big as people think

I don't think UConn/Cincy/USF owe any of that money to the incoming 4 schools. It was a long time ago that this was settled but I believe UConn/Cincy/USF are having the $100M paid out to them over 6 years so that they can ease the fall from BCS conference payout to the $2M that the AAC is paying. I don't remember any talk of the new 4 incoming schools getting a piece of the money or Cincy getting a big chunk all at once so that they could pour it into their stadium renovation. I'd look it up and post a link but I don't care that much about the issue.

This is right. There is no money from the exit fee money involved in financing the stadium renovation at all.

Exit fees were intended to re-imburse conference members for damage caused the by school exiting. UConn, Cincy, and USF were the ones damaged in the shuffle. Obviously you can say I am baised, but I don't think its unfair. The money is being paid out over time so if anyone leaves they don't get any more and they still have to pay an exit fee.

Not sharing the exit fees equitably is a demonstration of greed in my opinion. It's like turning your back on your conference partners who are striving to make this work.

Like Pitt did? In a moment of greed?

Exit fees were intended to re-imburse conference members for damage caused the by school exiting. UConn, Cincy, and USF were the ones damaged in the shuffle.

that should end the thread.......

(07-28-2013 06:58 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Exit fees were intended to re-imburse conference members for damage caused the by school exiting. UConn, Cincy, and USF were the ones damaged in the shuffle.

that should end the thread.......

Actually it doesn't matter what they were "intended for". It doesn't matter at all.

The fact is that they were legally and contractually obligated by an agreement made among the parties involved. That's all that really matters.

All of the efforts to create a rationale for the existence of these exit fees simply opens the door for third parties to claim "I was injured too. I should be compensated."

The reality is that the exit fees were NOT intended to reimburse conference members for damages. Frankly that had absolutely nothing to do with it. The exit fees were created for one reason and one reason only . . .

To create a disincentive for conference members to leave and to force them to pay a high price if they did so, thus to create a further disincentive for other members to consider leaving.

As such, the money belongs only to the members who were party to the agreement. Period.

(07-28-2013 06:20 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 09:51 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I realize that the decision was already made about how the exit fees are to be allocated. However, it is my opinion that it should be an equitable distribution based on what I think would be best for the conference moving forward. Still, Pitt and SU should be entitled to the exit fees from TCU and WVU because both were members of the conference when both schools left. I won't push that issue here, but it would have been the right thing to do.

This is not a troll. I never troll this board TBH. This is my viewpoint on what I think the ACC needs in order to get the membership to buy into the vision that Aresco and the most committed presidents have for the future of the AAC. There is still the vibe from the 3 schools - especially UCONN - that they would stab their partner's backs in a NY minute in order to leave their friends behind for a new conference. A demonstration of solidarity and teamwork would be very much needed and appreciated.

Boy are you full of crap.

You're interested in what's best for the conference?

Nope. You're interested in what's best for Pitt. Don't be disingenuous; there's nothing wrong with that.

SU and Pitt should be entitled to exit fees?

Nope. They were entitled to those exit fees as long as they stayed with the conference. They didn't. That ship has sailed.

You're pointing fingers based on a "vibe" that some schools "would stab their partners in the back in a NY minute"?

Why don't you try this on for size? Forget about the vibe. Focus on the schools that actually did stab their partners in the back in a Pittsburgh minute. No guess work here about whether back stabbing will be happening. No need to rely on vibes. Instead, actual fact. Job done. Backstabbing accomplished. Two weeks after he recommended turning down an F'n $1.2 million, the Pitt chancellor packed his bags and left town. Nice job, Nordenerd.

Your post just reeks with disingenuousness. Save your free advice for your new partners. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

You are wrong. What the BE did to Pitt, SU, WVU, Rutgers and even UL and TCU was abandoned those schools due to the petty differences between the various power brokers trying to build up their fiefdoms. The BE was NOT a homogeneous group, and the moment the conference tried to stuff Villanova football down our throats - it was the end of the conference. It was the diverging viewpoints that Pitt, SU, etc no longer wanted to deal with. Therefore, they did the right things and left the BE so that those who wanted to go in a different direction where able to pursue it. That was the ethical thing to do in that case. You part ways and go your separate ways if the disagreements were too great to overcome.

What's funny is that now that the remaining schools got what they wanted and got the power and influence they sought - they realize that they didn't actually want what they thought they did. So they cry about it and get bitter because the departing schools gave the remaining schools exactly what they wanted...

(07-28-2013 05:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 12:10 PM)ULdave Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 12:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  ahh their just letting rutgers do all the work LOL

No. Not like that at all.

Yes it is. Rutgers sets the precdent for LV

No the precedent has already been set by WVU, Pitt, and Syr. But on more than one occasion Jurich has stated how he wants to "do right" by the Big East/AAC and that he intends to settle the departure outside of the courts. You'll probably just believe what you want to believe but if you listen to Aresco on the matter he speaks highly of Louisville on how they've approached the process.

(07-28-2013 07:18 PM)miko33 Wrote:  You are wrong. What the BE did to Pitt, SU, WVU, Rutgers and even UL and TCU was abandoned those schools due to the petty differences between the various power brokers trying to build up their fiefdoms. The BE was NOT a homogeneous group, and the moment the conference tried to stuff Villanova football down our throats - it was the end of the conference. It was the diverging viewpoints that Pitt, SU, etc no longer wanted to deal with. Therefore, they did the right things and left the BE so that those who wanted to go in a different direction where able to pursue it. That was the ethical thing to do in that case. You part ways and go your separate ways if the disagreements were too great to overcome.

What's funny is that now that the remaining schools got what they wanted and got the power and influence they sought - they realize that they didn't actually want what they thought they did. So they cry about it and get bitter because the departing schools gave the remaining schools exactly what they wanted...

You could give that argument if Pitt and Syr had expressed their intentions to leave based on those factors. They did not, they slipped out unexpectedly while asking the other schools to stay together,

(07-28-2013 08:09 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Sorry Miko fail here. It has been settled for months on who gets what. All involved are happy with the arrangement.

Miko fail?

never!

(07-28-2013 07:23 PM)ULdave Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 07:18 PM)miko33 Wrote:  You are wrong. What the BE did to Pitt, SU, WVU, Rutgers and even UL and TCU was abandoned those schools due to the petty differences between the various power brokers trying to build up their fiefdoms. The BE was NOT a homogeneous group, and the moment the conference tried to stuff Villanova football down our throats - it was the end of the conference. It was the diverging viewpoints that Pitt, SU, etc no longer wanted to deal with. Therefore, they did the right things and left the BE so that those who wanted to go in a different direction where able to pursue it. That was the ethical thing to do in that case. You part ways and go your separate ways if the disagreements were too great to overcome.

What's funny is that now that the remaining schools got what they wanted and got the power and influence they sought - they realize that they didn't actually want what they thought they did. So they cry about it and get bitter because the departing schools gave the remaining schools exactly what they wanted...

You could give that argument if Pitt and Syr had expressed their intentions to leave based on those factors. They did not, they slipped out unexpectedly while asking the other schools to stay together,

Pitt made its intentions known to the conference around the time that most schools wanted to elevate Nova FB to FBS. That's when everyone was notified. Also, it's rather disingenuous to state that everyone was all in on the BE in 2011. The moment the B1G and SEC elected to expand, everyone in the BE conference was looking to leave. So stating that Pitt and SU were slinking off in the night is a misleading statement. You make it known to your conference mates that you'll look if an opportunity presents itself in the future - which Pitt and I believe everyone else did as well - and then once anything tangible starts up you go into silence. That's SOP for when you begin these types of negotiations since confidentiality is the norm. Stating otherwise is being naive and stupid about it.

The situation we find today is very different than the times when Pitt, SU, WVU and TCU left. Now, anyone trying to get out would be intentionally sowing a lot of instability for no good reason, since no conference is looking to expand now. In the past, everyone was reevaluating their situations and weighing options. Now it would be little better than a school forcing itself onto another conference. It's not right or ethical - especially when you consider that the AAC is not trying to force distasteful options down the throats of its members - unlike what the BE was trying to do back in 2010 and 2011.

(07-28-2013 07:18 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 06:20 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 09:51 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I realize that the decision was already made about how the exit fees are to be allocated. However, it is my opinion that it should be an equitable distribution based on what I think would be best for the conference moving forward. Still, Pitt and SU should be entitled to the exit fees from TCU and WVU because both were members of the conference when both schools left. I won't push that issue here, but it would have been the right thing to do.

This is not a troll. I never troll this board TBH. This is my viewpoint on what I think the ACC needs in order to get the membership to buy into the vision that Aresco and the most committed presidents have for the future of the AAC. There is still the vibe from the 3 schools - especially UCONN - that they would stab their partner's backs in a NY minute in order to leave their friends behind for a new conference. A demonstration of solidarity and teamwork would be very much needed and appreciated.

Boy are you full of crap.

You're interested in what's best for the conference?

Nope. You're interested in what's best for Pitt. Don't be disingenuous; there's nothing wrong with that.

SU and Pitt should be entitled to exit fees?

Nope. They were entitled to those exit fees as long as they stayed with the conference. They didn't. That ship has sailed.

You're pointing fingers based on a "vibe" that some schools "would stab their partners in the back in a NY minute"?

Why don't you try this on for size? Forget about the vibe. Focus on the schools that actually did stab their partners in the back in a Pittsburgh minute. No guess work here about whether back stabbing will be happening. No need to rely on vibes. Instead, actual fact. Job done. Backstabbing accomplished. Two weeks after he recommended turning down an F'n $1.2 million, the Pitt chancellor packed his bags and left town. Nice job, Nordenerd.

Your post just reeks with disingenuousness. Save your free advice for your new partners. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

You are wrong. What the BE did to Pitt, SU, WVU, Rutgers and even UL and TCU was abandoned those schools due to the petty differences between the various power brokers trying to build up their fiefdoms. The BE was NOT a homogeneous group, and the moment the conference tried to stuff Villanova football down our throats - it was the end of the conference. It was the diverging viewpoints that Pitt, SU, etc no longer wanted to deal with. Therefore, they did the right things and left the BE so that those who wanted to go in a different direction where able to pursue it. That was the ethical thing to do in that case. You part ways and go your separate ways if the disagreements were too great to overcome.

What's funny is that now that the remaining schools got what they wanted and got the power and influence they sought - they realize that they didn't actually want what they thought they did. So they cry about it and get bitter because the departing schools gave the remaining schools exactly what they wanted...

What's funny is you preaching to the victims whom you stabbed in the back.

And now you're painting Pitt as a victim? Pathetic.

Who was this "Big East" entity who victimized poor little Pitt? It was the membership of whom Pitt was one.

Fact is there was a simple solution to the problems in the Big East and that simple solution would have allowed Pitt to demonstrate the loyalty, commitment, and interest in the welfare of the conference that you've been preaching:

Split from the BE basketball schools as a unified BE football group.

I am not questioning Pitt's ethics or whether they did the right thing. they did what any of us would have done under the same circumstances. They did what they had to do yo survive.

What I object to is you coming on here and preaching to the rest of us not to do the same thing you did. You want us to commit to second tier status, to remain content with the lot that's fallen to us. You want us to remain outside the P5 and to be happy about it. Bullcrap to that.

I'm here to tell you that we'll do the same thing you did. We'll work our butts off to upgrade our program so that we can become part of the top tier. We will work to crash the part of elitists so that Utah, TCU, and Louisville don't remain as the only 3 outsiders to get an invitation to join the gang. We've come too far, worked too hard, and invested too much.

You come off as a complete phony talking down to us with your condescension. And BTW, the Villanova upgrade was not shoved down anyone's throats by "The Big East" whoever that is. As usual, the football schools couldn't agree, so the Villanova upgrade was floated out there as an alternative. It was proposed by football some members and it became the compromise alternative which was the least objectionable. It wasn't shoved down anyone's throats and certainly not by some anonymous entity apart from the membership.

BTW, who are the remaining members who have gotten the power they sought?