Rutgers has been a sleeping giant for 100 years. At some point people are going to realize they are what they are .. a good school with athletics that will never be anything special.

(07-31-2013 05:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you need Rutgers & Syc to think about NYC. Deleney a dope, not grapping Syc

Does that mean Swofford is a dope for not grabbing Rutgers?

I'm pretty sure RU would have been #16 if ND had joined in football.

Does the B10 still go after Maryland if there is no one else to pair them with in the east? (and no, UConn is not a viable option).

I personally thought the ACC should have taken Rutgers, but understood the complications of running a 15-team football conference until ND decided it was time to throw in. I'm pretty sure the ACC thought RU be available when that time came. But one bird in the hand...

I think not taking Rutgers for the market was a mistake. One they need to avoid repeating by inviting UConn before the B10 does.

(08-01-2013 07:49 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 05:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you need Rutgers & Syc to think about NYC. Deleney a dope, not grapping Syc

Does that mean Swofford is a dope for not grabbing Rutgers?

I'm pretty sure RU would have been #16 if ND had joined in football.

Does the B10 still go after Maryland if there is no one else to pair them with in the east? (and no, UConn is not a viable option).

I personally thought the ACC should have taken Rutgers, but understood the complications of running a 15-team football conference until ND decided it was time to throw in. I'm pretty sure the ACC thought RU be available when that time came. But one bird in the hand...

I think not taking Rutgers for the market was a mistake. One they need to avoid repeating by inviting UConn before the B10 does.

I agree...UConn to the B1G would be particularly bad for Cuse and BC.

(08-01-2013 07:49 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 05:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you need Rutgers & Syc to think about NYC. Deleney a dope, not grapping Syc

Does that mean Swofford is a dope for not grabbing Rutgers?

I'm pretty sure RU would have been #16 if ND had joined in football.

Does the B10 still go after Maryland if there is no one else to pair them with in the east? (and no, UConn is not a viable option).

I personally thought the ACC should have taken Rutgers, but understood the complications of running a 15-team football conference until ND decided it was time to throw in. I'm pretty sure the ACC thought RU be available when that time came. But one bird in the hand...

I think not taking Rutgers for the market was a mistake. One they need to avoid repeating by inviting UConn before the B10 does.

Yep, you can't rightly call yourself the "conference of the entire eastern seaboard" if you don't actually have the entire eastern seaboard and are missing a significantly large chunk of it.

(08-01-2013 01:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 07:49 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 05:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you need Rutgers & Syc to think about NYC. Deleney a dope, not grapping Syc

Does that mean Swofford is a dope for not grabbing Rutgers?

I'm pretty sure RU would have been #16 if ND had joined in football.

Does the B10 still go after Maryland if there is no one else to pair them with in the east? (and no, UConn is not a viable option).

I personally thought the ACC should have taken Rutgers, but understood the complications of running a 15-team football conference until ND decided it was time to throw in. I'm pretty sure the ACC thought RU be available when that time came. But one bird in the hand...

I think not taking Rutgers for the market was a mistake. One they need to avoid repeating by inviting UConn before the B10 does.

Yep, you can't rightly call yourself the "conference of the entire eastern seaboard" if you don't actually have the entire eastern seaboard and are missing a significantly large chunk of it.

So do you think Florida State fans want UConn in the league because it gets the eastern seaboard including New York locked up, or would they be mad because they aren't football schools? I want UConn in the league badly to lock up the Northeast more but I also don't want the league to alienate the southern members.

(08-01-2013 01:48 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  So do you think Florida State fans want UConn in the league because it gets the eastern seaboard including New York locked up, or would they be mad because they aren't football schools? I want UConn in the league badly to lock up the Northeast more but I also don't want the league to alienate the southern members.

If you consider that a further expansion likely means that Notre Dame or some other big fish has come aboard, sliding in UConn at 16 probably would not alienate anyone. I mean if the ACC added ND, they could add Appalachain State to go with them and no one would care.
Personally I am partial to Cincinnati as a 16th team, but I can see the value of UConn.

Side note, the addition of UConn, with Sryacuse, plus a side contract with the n.Big East (i.e buy the syndicated non-national TV games of St. Johns, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Georgetown to show on the ACC Network) for the ACC Network would go a long way towards locking up NYC.

I live in the heart of Big Ten Country. IU fans hate Jim Delaney. He is destroying Big Ten tradition to make an extra buck.
CJ

(08-01-2013 01:48 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 01:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 07:49 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 05:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you need Rutgers & Syc to think about NYC. Deleney a dope, not grapping Syc

Does that mean Swofford is a dope for not grabbing Rutgers?

I'm pretty sure RU would have been #16 if ND had joined in football.

Does the B10 still go after Maryland if there is no one else to pair them with in the east? (and no, UConn is not a viable option).

I personally thought the ACC should have taken Rutgers, but understood the complications of running a 15-team football conference until ND decided it was time to throw in. I'm pretty sure the ACC thought RU be available when that time came. But one bird in the hand...

I think not taking Rutgers for the market was a mistake. One they need to avoid repeating by inviting UConn before the B10 does.

Yep, you can't rightly call yourself the "conference of the entire eastern seaboard" if you don't actually have the entire eastern seaboard and are missing a significantly large chunk of it.

So do you think Florida State fans want UConn in the league because it gets the eastern seaboard including New York locked up, or would they be mad because they aren't football schools? I want UConn in the league badly to lock up the Northeast more but I also don't want the league to alienate the southern members.

If we didn't have to be in the northeast in order to survive we wouldn't be.

(08-01-2013 08:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 01:48 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 01:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 07:49 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 05:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Does that mean Swofford is a dope for not grabbing Rutgers?

I'm pretty sure RU would have been #16 if ND had joined in football.

Does the B10 still go after Maryland if there is no one else to pair them with in the east? (and no, UConn is not a viable option).

I personally thought the ACC should have taken Rutgers, but understood the complications of running a 15-team football conference until ND decided it was time to throw in. I'm pretty sure the ACC thought RU be available when that time came. But one bird in the hand...

I think not taking Rutgers for the market was a mistake. One they need to avoid repeating by inviting UConn before the B10 does.

Yep, you can't rightly call yourself the "conference of the entire eastern seaboard" if you don't actually have the entire eastern seaboard and are missing a significantly large chunk of it.

So do you think Florida State fans want UConn in the league because it gets the eastern seaboard including New York locked up, or would they be mad because they aren't football schools? I want UConn in the league badly to lock up the Northeast more but I also don't want the league to alienate the southern members.

If we didn't have to be in the northeast in order to survive we wouldn't be.

Agreed...but it is the beast we've created. A SE and a NE based 8-9 teams league would've been best.

All the major leagues will merge in the end. So I'm not worried about it.

(08-01-2013 04:54 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 01:48 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  So do you think Florida State fans want UConn in the league because it gets the eastern seaboard including New York locked up, or would they be mad because they aren't football schools? I want UConn in the league badly to lock up the Northeast more but I also don't want the league to alienate the southern members.

If you consider that a further expansion likely means that Notre Dame or some other big fish has come aboard, sliding in UConn at 16 probably would not alienate anyone. I mean if the ACC added ND, they could add Appalachain State to go with them and no one would care.
Personally I am partial to Cincinnati as a 16th team, but I can see the value of UConn.

Side note, the addition of UConn, with Sryacuse, plus a side contract with the n.Big East (i.e buy the syndicated non-national TV games of St. Johns, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Georgetown to show on the ACC Network) for the ACC Network would go a long way towards locking up NYC.

Cinci is middle of the road in hoops and football. The only upside is the access to Ohio for recruiting. Uconn is slightly below average football with fantastic hoops. Couple that with their portion of the NYC market and they should be the clear choice for the next invite.

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(08-01-2013 10:14 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Uconn is slightly below average football

In what alternate reality?

Small off-campus stadium
Small football fanbase
Football is at best #3 in priority behind hoops and girl's hoops
An even worse recruiting base than Syracuse (and that says a lot)

(08-01-2013 09:43 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 07:49 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 05:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you need Rutgers & Syc to think about NYC. Deleney a dope, not grapping Syc

Does that mean Swofford is a dope for not grabbing Rutgers?

I'm pretty sure RU would have been #16 if ND had joined in football.

Does the B10 still go after Maryland if there is no one else to pair them with in the east? (and no, UConn is not a viable option).

I personally thought the ACC should have taken Rutgers, but understood the complications of running a 15-team football conference until ND decided it was time to throw in. I'm pretty sure the ACC thought RU be available when that time came. But one bird in the hand...

I think not taking Rutgers for the market was a mistake. One they need to avoid repeating by inviting UConn before the B10 does.

I agree...UConn to the B1G would be particularly bad for Cuse and BC.

What on earth makes people think that the Big Ten would take UConn? Because UConn fans are running around quoting stats off of their admission brochures that they don't understand?

UConn isn't getting in the Big Ten. These are football moves. Rutgers was an obvious play to get the BTN into NYC. UConn football doesn't matter one iota to NYC...much less than even Rutgers. The Big Ten isn't going to further water down its product for more hypothetical network potential (which UConn football does not even have, frankly).

If (big if) ND throws in full time for football, then hell, the ACC should first seek #16 from the mix of UT, PSU, RU, Vandy, Maryland, and WVU (probably in that order) before you resort to a UConn. ND being in the ACC full time for football would rebalance any equation big time, particularly if a candidate school has the chance to be in a division/pod with them and thus play on an annual basis. You are also talking about something that is 1) unlikely 2) would hypothetically be far off in the future, so there is no way to know what money and competition, and athletic programs will look like. What is UConn going to look like after being stuck as a mid-major for a decade? How will that compare to Temple? How satisfied is MD and RU going to be on the outskirts of the Big Ten, especially if the promised gazillion$ don't roll in?

The only thing UConn has going for it is some basketball presence in NYC. Not SJU type of presence mind you, and not more than Syracuse...and again, only in basketball. What are they going to bring to the table to offset their piece of the football pie? Not enough. If they were worth it, the ACC or Big Ten wouldn't have already added them. If they're added at this point, it is because someone's NYC strategy failed to the point were they are now desperate to try to salvage it by adding UConn hoops, meaning that conference's strategic planning was way too reliant on capturing the NYC market.

You don't necessarily want the B10 to have another foothold around NYC, but that doesn't mean the ACC should be bluffed into adding UConn either.

XLance: I think we had a chance at surviving without going into the NE circa 1991 if we invited FSU, Miami, SC, and VT. Nobody had the forethought...

(08-01-2013 01:48 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 01:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 07:49 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 05:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 12:44 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you need Rutgers & Syc to think about NYC. Deleney a dope, not grapping Syc

Does that mean Swofford is a dope for not grabbing Rutgers?

I'm pretty sure RU would have been #16 if ND had joined in football.

Does the B10 still go after Maryland if there is no one else to pair them with in the east? (and no, UConn is not a viable option).

I personally thought the ACC should have taken Rutgers, but understood the complications of running a 15-team football conference until ND decided it was time to throw in. I'm pretty sure the ACC thought RU be available when that time came. But one bird in the hand...

I think not taking Rutgers for the market was a mistake. One they need to avoid repeating by inviting UConn before the B10 does.

Yep, you can't rightly call yourself the "conference of the entire eastern seaboard" if you don't actually have the entire eastern seaboard and are missing a significantly large chunk of it.

So do you think Florida State fans want UConn in the league because it gets the eastern seaboard including New York locked up, or would they be mad because they aren't football schools? I want UConn in the league badly to lock up the Northeast more but I also don't want the league to alienate the southern members.

I'm saying it's stupid for Swofford to say it's THE eastern conference when a huge chunk of territory from DC to Baltimore to Philly to NYC (and even CT and wherever) is missing.

If the ACC had a network, adding Rutgers and UConn, with Pitt and Cuse, could've been quite beneficial. But it seems like the ACC has little desire to add a network. If that's the case, I don't propose adding a school that would only hurt the football reputation while bringing in little additional revenue in return.