(07-31-2013 09:23 AM)MattofNazareth Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:52 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:40 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Why should the Big 12 add a school or schools that can't put 30K in the stands on a regular basis? If the Big 12 expands, we need to go after schools that can put 45-50K in the stands on a regular basis.

I'm sorry, the Big 12 and our TV partners have said thanks but NO THANKS.

Says the fan of a program that only remained relevant because of Texas politics. Just be thankful you're in the club, instead of scrounging for respect. Just be thankful to your big brother in Austin. Oh, sorry, did you just forget where you came from? That bustling metropolis of Lubbock? Interesting that you feel entitled to be so condescending given your point of origin.

fyi texas tech was 3rd in attendance among b12 schools this year and 29th among ncaa schools

We aren't talking about the present. Before the Big 12, TTU, TCU, Baylor and others had attendance problems. Big 12 gave TTU money and exposure to elevate. There IS NO argument about this. TTU Football has never outright won any conference they have been a member of, Border, SWC or Big 12 ever!
The point was and still is, be grateful to Bevo.

Looks like they have 8 in the Border
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bor..._champions
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/...nships.php

(07-31-2013 09:23 AM)MattofNazareth Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:52 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:40 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Why should the Big 12 add a school or schools that can't put 30K in the stands on a regular basis? If the Big 12 expands, we need to go after schools that can put 45-50K in the stands on a regular basis.

I'm sorry, the Big 12 and our TV partners have said thanks but NO THANKS.

Says the fan of a program that only remained relevant because of Texas politics. Just be thankful you're in the club, instead of scrounging for respect. Just be thankful to your big brother in Austin. Oh, sorry, did you just forget where you came from? That bustling metropolis of Lubbock? Interesting that you feel entitled to be so condescending given your point of origin.

fyi texas tech was 3rd in attendance among b12 schools this year and 29th among ncaa schools

We aren't talking about the present. Before the Big 12, TTU, TCU, Baylor and others had attendance problems. Big 12 gave TTU money and exposure to elevate. There IS NO argument about this. TTU Football has never outright won any conference they have been a member of, Border, SWC or Big 12 ever!
The point was and still is, be grateful to Bevo.

From 1976-1995, Tech averaged 11K more than UH. Baylor ( a small private school) averaged almost 7K more than UH. Yes, TCU struggled but I think they have fixed that problem.


Texas Tech 1976-1995
41,366
43,557
45,286
46,083
41,578
41,398
43,311
39,459
36,839
36,392
37,719
31,132
35,803
37,983
43,476
37,905
39,735
33,318
32,032
39,218
Avg 39,180

Baylor 1976-1995
38,080
30,608
37,000
34,810
38,250
32,833
33,150
32,154
32,780
38,001
37,317
30,353
30,618
33,792
37,353
40,061
32,360
34,382
36,048
40,541
Avg 35,025

Houston 1976-1995
35,961
44,488
39,254
37,848
33,230
32,778
30,269
28,870
27,327
23,634
15,462
23,262
23,276
28,450
26,589
30,094
22,366
17,652
21,308
19,973
Avg 28,105

USF Bulls

YEAR GAMES ATTENDANCE AVERAGE RECORD
1997_ _______7__________231,271_ _____________ 33,038______________5-6
1998_ _______7__________190,002_ _____________ 27,143______________8-3
1999_ _______7__________175,371_ _____________ 25,053______________7-4
2000_ _______6__________158,486_ _____________ 26,414______________7-4
2001_ _______7__________180,737_ _____________ 25,820______________8-3
2002_ _______6__________157,826_ _____________ 26,304______________9-2
2003_ _______6__________183,069_ _____________ 30,511______________7-4
2004_ _______6__________162,361_ _____________ 27,060______________4-7
2005_ _______5__________194,325_ _____________ 38,865______________6-6
2006_ _______6__________181,333_ _____________ 30,222______________9-4
2007_ _______6__________319,019_ _____________ 53,170______________9-4
2008_ _______6__________298,142_ _____________ 49,690______________8-5
2009_ _______6__________315,319_ _____________ 52,553______________8-5
2010_ _______7__________285,946_ _____________ 40,849______________8-5
2011_ _______7__________311,848_ _____________ 44,550______________5-7
2012_ _______6__________264,780_ _____________ 44,130______________3-9


RANK ATTENDANCE OPPONENT DATE WINNER SCORE
1._______69,383_ _______Florida St._ ___________ 9/29/12_______ FSU______ 30-17
2._______67,012_ _______West Virginia_ _________ 9/28/07_______ USF______ 21-13
3._______66,469_ _______Miami_ ____________ 11/28/09_______ UM______ 31-10
4._______65,948_ _______UCF_______________ 10/13/07_______ USF______ 64-12
5._______63,976_ _______Cincinnati_ __________ 10/15/09_______ UC_ _____ 34-17
6._______58,755_ _______Kansas_ _____________ 9/12/08_______ USF______ 37-34
7._______57,379_ _______Cincinnati_ ___________ 11/3/07_______ UC_ _____ 38-33
8._______57,288_ _______Louisville____________ 11/17/07_______ USF______ 55-17
9._______56,328_ _______West Virginia_ ________ 10/30/09_______ USF______ 30-19
10._ _____51,384_ _______Syracuse____________ 10/18/08_______ USF______ 45-13
11._ _____50,307_ _______Pittsburgh____________ 10/2/08_______ Pitt______ 26-21
12._ _____49,388_ _______Louisville____________ 11/21/09_______ USF______ 34-22
13._ _____49,212_ _______Kentucky Wesleyan_______ 9/6/97*_______ USF______ 80-3
14._______ 48,058_________ UT-Martin_______________ 8/30/08________ USF_______ 56-7
15._______ 47,216_________ Rutgers_ ______________ 11/15/08________ RU_ ______ 49-16
16._ _____45,274_ _______West Virginia_ _________ 12/3/05_______WVU_ ____ 28-13
17._ _____45,139_ _______UCF________________ 9/17/05_______ USF______ 31-14
18._ _____44,219_ _______Rutgers______________ 9/13/12_______ RU______ 23-13
19._ _____43,122_ _______Florida A&M___________ 9/10/05_______ USF______ 37-3
20._______ 42,422_________ UConn________________ 10/23/08________ USF_______ 17-13

I have no idea where the conversation has gone thus far, not gonna read through it all but in my opinion the best two picks for the Big 12 based upon what they show they value, would be ECU and USF.

(07-30-2013 08:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 03:05 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 02:09 PM)billings Wrote:  Air Force already said no

Air Force would also need to find a home for their other sports as the MWC doesn't currently allow its members to play football elsewhere. I believe AFA would consider football only in the XII if they could get into the MVC for other sports, but the MVC has said it isn't interested in the past.

And Wichita State stays in a conference that prefers Loyola over Air Force? Things that make you go hmmm.

Wichita State would gladly leave if given the opportunity. We weren't thrilled with the addition of Loyola but they do have some potential upside and more importantly, it saves the poor schools money by not having to travel. More importantly to the poor schools.

Sadly for us, there aren't any options at the moment. I think if we had the chance to join the Big East, we would. If either the MWC or AAC were willing to take nonfootball members, we'd go. But the Big East appears to want to remain private and I don't think the AAC has any interest in a nonfootball school. I heard a few rumblings from the MWC a while back that there could be consideration for doing so, but I think it was a long shot at best.

I wonder if the MVC would go to 12 and add AFA and Denver so teams could double up on their trips to Colorado.... We could do worse.

(07-31-2013 09:23 AM)MattofNazareth Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:52 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:40 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Why should the Big 12 add a school or schools that can't put 30K in the stands on a regular basis? If the Big 12 expands, we need to go after schools that can put 45-50K in the stands on a regular basis.

I'm sorry, the Big 12 and our TV partners have said thanks but NO THANKS.

Says the fan of a program that only remained relevant because of Texas politics. Just be thankful you're in the club, instead of scrounging for respect. Just be thankful to your big brother in Austin. Oh, sorry, did you just forget where you came from? That bustling metropolis of Lubbock? Interesting that you feel entitled to be so condescending given your point of origin.

fyi texas tech was 3rd in attendance among b12 schools this year and 29th among ncaa schools

We aren't talking about the present. Before the Big 12, TTU, TCU, Baylor and others had attendance problems. Big 12 gave TTU money and exposure to elevate. There IS NO argument about this. TTU Football has never outright won any conference they have been a member of, Border, SWC or Big 12 ever!
The point was and still is, be grateful to Bevo.

From 1980 on, after UT & ATM there was a gap, then BU & TT attendance wise, then another gap, then every other Texas school in the league.

BU & Tech had the most people showing up, invested more in facilities prior to the SWC folding, and also traveled better. That isn't to say that politics didn't get either/both in, they did. My point though is that if you had to pick 2 after UT/ATM left based on fanbase, support, and facility commitment it probably would have been the two of us anyway.

(08-01-2013 02:21 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 09:23 AM)MattofNazareth Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:56 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:52 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:40 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Why should the Big 12 add a school or schools that can't put 30K in the stands on a regular basis? If the Big 12 expands, we need to go after schools that can put 45-50K in the stands on a regular basis.

I'm sorry, the Big 12 and our TV partners have said thanks but NO THANKS.

Says the fan of a program that only remained relevant because of Texas politics. Just be thankful you're in the club, instead of scrounging for respect. Just be thankful to your big brother in Austin. Oh, sorry, did you just forget where you came from? That bustling metropolis of Lubbock? Interesting that you feel entitled to be so condescending given your point of origin.

fyi texas tech was 3rd in attendance among b12 schools this year and 29th among ncaa schools

We aren't talking about the present. Before the Big 12, TTU, TCU, Baylor and others had attendance problems. Big 12 gave TTU money and exposure to elevate. There IS NO argument about this. TTU Football has never outright won any conference they have been a member of, Border, SWC or Big 12 ever!
The point was and still is, be grateful to Bevo.

From 1980 on, after UT & ATM there was a gap, then BU & TT attendance wise, then another gap, then every other Texas school in the league.

BU & Tech had the most people showing up, invested more in facilities prior to the SWC folding, and also traveled better. That isn't to say that politics didn't get either/both in, they did. My point though is that if you had to pick 2 after UT/ATM left based on fanbase, support, and facility commitment it probably would have been the two of us anyway.

True as of 1994. 5 years earlier, UH was more competitive across the board than Tech or Baylor. But after Yeoman and Lewis retired they tanked. If it had happened 5 years earlier, Kansas St. probably would have been dumped and Houston included.