Shame on both of them. Tommie should know better, and Bo shouldn't have indulged it.

(09-16-2013 01:47 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 11:02 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  At some point, Washington is going to have to beat Oregon and/or Stanford.

Washington beat Stanford last year.

Quote: He doesn't keep his job always looking at their backs in the standings.

It's got to lead to something, is what I mean.

So you mean Sark has to finish ahead of Oregon or Stanford at some point ... maybe so. Interesting question not only for Sark, but also Dykes, Riley, and Leach -- how many years do you get at your $2 million/year job if you can't crack the top of the division? Maybe the Pac-12 North is going to be as brutal on coaches as the SEC West, where a lot of guys have been pushed out because they couldn't keep up with Bama and LSU.

I think the folks in Seattle would like to be in a place where they finish consistently in the top 2 of that side of the division. I don't think it's that contentious outside of three or four schools (fourth being Cal). For Washington, it's getting back to the form of the late 1980's and 1990's, and for Cal, it's just not being the least successful California football program.

PAC 12 South is probably the thankless side of that conference as a coach, I would assume.

I think the south is less challenging for a new coach. USC is supposed to be the invincible team, but right now they are very vincible (is that a word?). UCLA, ASU, UA ... there's not much evidence within the last 25 years that would make you think any of them are going to have a dynasty, so a new coach is going to see beating them as very do-able. CU and UU are even less "scary". In the north, the top two look so solid right now that, as a coach of another team, you not only have to get a lot better, you're also hoping that Shaw takes an NFL job or that the Ducks someday hire a successor who can't maintain the run of the last several years. Again, kind of like being in the SEC West, where new coaches are hoping that Saban retires after another national title or two and that his successor is more along the lines of Mike Shula.

(09-16-2013 01:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow, Pelini may have really stepped in it...

Tommie Frazier tweeted after the game:
After letting it sink in for about 4 hours I still struggling. It's time to get rid of the defensive play caller, the Dc, lb dl and db coaches. I hate saying this but this crap is getting old. How in the hell do you not make adjustments or put your players in the position to compete? If this is what is going to happen for the remainder of the season, count me out. I don't care if we lose a game but the way we are losing is just not what #Nebraska fans deserve. I have fought, bled, and cried over this program. I didn't do all that for the program to become what it has today. Time for change! I will comment about the offense this week on Tommie's X's and O's. Trust me you don't want to miss it. #Huskers

Pelini's response to me not smart(from todays presser)
"If he feels that way, so be it. We don't need him." -- Bo Pelini on weekend tweet by Tommie Frazier.

generally not smart to dis maybe the best player in your programs history.

Yeah, to give an example of someone who handled it better: Ben Howland was still very diplomatic about Bill Walton even when Walton was on TV constantly last spring calling UCLA basketball boring and saying that Howland was driving fans away. Didn't help Howland keep his job, of course, but there's a lot to be said for being graceful under pressure.

(09-16-2013 04:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 01:47 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 11:02 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 10:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Washington beat Stanford last year.

Quote: He doesn't keep his job always looking at their backs in the standings.

It's got to lead to something, is what I mean.

So you mean Sark has to finish ahead of Oregon or Stanford at some point ... maybe so. Interesting question not only for Sark, but also Dykes, Riley, and Leach -- how many years do you get at your $2 million/year job if you can't crack the top of the division? Maybe the Pac-12 North is going to be as brutal on coaches as the SEC West, where a lot of guys have been pushed out because they couldn't keep up with Bama and LSU.

I think the folks in Seattle would like to be in a place where they finish consistently in the top 2 of that side of the division. I don't think it's that contentious outside of three or four schools (fourth being Cal). For Washington, it's getting back to the form of the late 1980's and 1990's, and for Cal, it's just not being the least successful California football program.

PAC 12 South is probably the thankless side of that conference as a coach, I would assume.

I think the south is less challenging for a new coach. USC is supposed to be the invincible team, but right now they are very vincible (is that a word?). UCLA, ASU, UA ... there's not much evidence within the last 25 years that would make you think any of them are going to have a dynasty, so a new coach is going to see beating them as very do-able. CU and UU are even less "scary". In the north, the top two look so solid right now that, as a coach of another team, you not only have to get a lot better, you're also hoping that Shaw takes an NFL job or that the Ducks someday hire a successor who can't maintain the run of the last several years. Again, kind of like being in the SEC West, where new coaches are hoping that Saban retires after another national title or two and that his successor is more along the lines of Mike Shula.

UCLA has gone through four coaches over the last 13 years (each going to at least one bowl game), Colorado four, Arizona something like five or six (three of them bowlers). That's ridiculous.

Counterpoint: Indiana four. Minnesota four (three plus an interim), same for Michigan State. Illinois and Purdue three.

UCLA and Arizona might just be the worst gigs in the country. Ruthless out there...

Coaches on hot seat?

Lane Kiffin........Why?............He's a complete schmuck!
Bo Pelini...........Why?............Solich was better and they fired him too.
Will Muschamp...Why?............Florida's offensive woes have not been addressed.
Mack Brown......Why?......If you need to ask you are not a sports fan.

(09-17-2013 10:50 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Coaches on hot seat?

Lane Kiffin........Why?............He's a complete schmuck!
Bo Pelini...........Why?............Solich was better and they fired him too.
Will Muschamp...Why?............Florida's offensive woes have not been addressed.
Mack Brown......Why?......If you need to ask you are not a sports fan.

If 3 of those 4 jobs open up, the silly season of coaching changes in December is going to be wild. Can you imagine the jostling to get the job at USC, Nebraska, Florida, or Texas? I doubt any of those programs would take the hottest coordinators (especially Nebraska and Florida), so the dominoes will be falling.

I think Muschamp gets another year at Florida, though, regardless of how bad this year goes. He is definitely not going to con Florida into a pay raise if Texas pursues him for some reason. They would probably be glad to open up that spot without having a buyout.

News on Pelini. A nasty 2011 diatribe from Pelini about the Neb fans just got released. Timing couldn't be worse (or better if your goal is to see Pelini fired).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/17765...e-football

This is just going to increase the temp of the hot seat.

By the way, I'm not a Pelini hater and have no special desire to see him fired. I'm just making observations. Now if this were about Kiffin, I'd be elated.

(09-17-2013 11:04 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 10:50 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Coaches on hot seat?

Lane Kiffin........Why?............He's a complete schmuck!
Bo Pelini...........Why?............Solich was better and they fired him too.
Will Muschamp...Why?............Florida's offensive woes have not been addressed.
Mack Brown......Why?......If you need to ask you are not a sports fan.

If 3 of those 4 jobs open up, the silly season of coaching changes in December is going to be wild. Can you imagine the jostling to get the job at USC, Nebraska, Florida, or Texas? I doubt any of those programs would take the hottest coordinators (especially Nebraska and Florida), so the dominoes will be falling.

I think Muschamp gets another year at Florida, though, regardless of how bad this year goes. He is definitely not going to con Florida into a pay raise if Texas pursues him for some reason. They would probably be glad to open up that spot without having a buyout.

You will be especially right if Brown, Kiffin, and Pelini get fired. Florida will not want a coach search going on at the same time with the other three. They would have much greater success the year after. I also agree none of those are going to bump up a coordinator. Texas and USC's AD's will not be in a position to do anything but go after name brand coaches or their jobs will be in jeopardy and in Texas's case it is likely to be a new AD that needs a home run hire in the first place.

I am a Nebraska fan and have no inside information.

I don't think Pelini will lose his head coaching position.

While I understand his frustration and the frustration of the fans, Nebraska will win 9-10 games this year.

Pelini's defenses have not lived up to the past but firing Pelini is a gamble, too. Nebraska is not going after Bobby Petrino. Petrino is the type of coach that could lead Nebraska to a Big 10 title.

(09-16-2013 01:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Shame on both of them. Tommie should know better, and Bo shouldn't have indulged it.

I agree.

(09-17-2013 11:21 AM)chess Wrote:  I am a Nebraska fan and have no inside information.

I don't think Pelini will lose his head coaching position.

While I understand his frustration and the frustration of the fans, Nebraska will win 9-10 games this year.

Pelini's defenses have not lived up to the past but firing Pelini is a gamble, too. Nebraska is not going after Bobby Petrino. Petrino is the type of coach that could lead Nebraska to a Big 10 title.

Is that good enough for Nebraska, though? I see them the same as Wisconsin... always a potential Big 10 champion, but never a real national title contender. Based on conference affiliation and geography, Nebraska will likely never be a top 5 recruiting school any more, but they could set up an Oregon or Stanford like system with the right coach to turn them into a system school using the recruits they can capture.

My comments in bold:

(07-23-2013 01:41 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Here's my list for this year (prominent programs only):

Lane Kiffin - even with reduced scholarships, they should be doing better. A BCS or else Kiffin is toast. (Full disclosure, as a USC fan I'm pulling for his firing.)

He's done.... Will lose to Stanford, Norte Dame, UCLA, and another school he is expected to beat. He has already lost fan support.

Mack Brown - time is really running out for Mack. A win over Oklahoma and BCS bowl will likely save him but I'm betting he gets "Bobby Bowdened" this year.

He should be fired but won’t. However, he could step down if TX has the kind of year I think it will have with additional losses to OU, OSU, WV, and either Baylor or TT (maybe both).

Kirk Ferentz - how much longer will the fans stand for mediocrity or worse. The work-out scandal has also tarnished his reputation. Good guys can only finish last for so long.

The loss to NIU didn’t help, although NIU has a good team. Moreover, not playing for a B10 title again could lead to his ultimate downfall….

Bo Pelini - the loss (beat down) to Wisconsin hurt this team's mentality badly. BCS or he may be looking for a new job. Frank Solich had a better record at this point in Bo's career.

The total meltdown in the second half of the UCLA game at home should be enough. However, Nebraska seems to have lost its identity when it left the B12. Consequently, it appears lost and out of place in the B10….

Dana Holgerson - you hear grumblings about "the mistake". Probably will get by this year, but another season like last and he'll need a Nat'l Championship to survive after 2014.

WV has played better than expected and beating TX at Morgantown will save his job….

(09-17-2013 11:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 11:04 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 10:50 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Coaches on hot seat?

Lane Kiffin........Why?............He's a complete schmuck!
Bo Pelini...........Why?............Solich was better and they fired him too.
Will Muschamp...Why?............Florida's offensive woes have not been addressed.
Mack Brown......Why?......If you need to ask you are not a sports fan.

If 3 of those 4 jobs open up, the silly season of coaching changes in December is going to be wild. Can you imagine the jostling to get the job at USC, Nebraska, Florida, or Texas? I doubt any of those programs would take the hottest coordinators (especially Nebraska and Florida), so the dominoes will be falling.

I think Muschamp gets another year at Florida, though, regardless of how bad this year goes. He is definitely not going to con Florida into a pay raise if Texas pursues him for some reason. They would probably be glad to open up that spot without having a buyout.

You will be especially right if Brown, Kiffin, and Pelini get fired. Florida will not want a coach search going on at the same time with the other three. They would have much greater success the year after. I also agree none of those are going to bump up a coordinator. Texas and USC's AD's will not be in a position to do anything but go after name brand coaches or their jobs will be in jeopardy and in Texas's case it is likely to be a new AD that needs a home run hire in the first place.

Another reason Muschamp is most likely of those four to hold onto his job is that the current AD hired him. (That's also true of Brown, of course, but won't save him for other reasons.)

Pat Haden has enough good will at USC (and he knows it) that he could even keep Kiffin if he wants to, and if he dumps Kiffin he has a lot of latitude in who he hires.

But who is the home run hire for any of these teams? Maybe there isn't one. I said last week (and I'll stick with this) that the most likely USC hire among possible candidates is Jack Del Rio. For Texas, who knows. Nebraska, even less likely to find a marquee name. Nick Saban isn't leaving Bama for any of those jobs. David Shaw is waiting for an NFL head coaching job. Chris Petersen isn't leaving Boise. Jon Gruden is not leaving his cushy ESPN gig for a college job where some fan will launch the firejongruden.com website five minutes after his hiring is announced.

So then you want to hire this year's "hot" coordinator and bump him up to a big-time head coaching job? Good luck with that. Ask Florida how that's working out for them.

(09-17-2013 11:41 AM)Underdog Wrote:  My comments in bold:

(07-23-2013 01:41 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Here's my list for this year (prominent programs only):

Dana Holgerson - you hear grumblings about "the mistake". Probably will get by this year, but another season like last and he'll need a Nat'l Championship to survive after 2014.

WV has played better than expected and beating TX at Morgantown will save his job….

Dana Holgorsen is in no trouble at WVU. Oliver Luck is backing Holgorsen 100%...

(09-17-2013 12:23 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 11:41 AM)Underdog Wrote:  My comments in bold:

(07-23-2013 01:41 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Here's my list for this year (prominent programs only):

Dana Holgerson - you hear grumblings about "the mistake". Probably will get by this year, but another season like last and he'll need a Nat'l Championship to survive after 2014.

WV has played better than expected and beating TX at Morgantown will save his job….

Dana Holgorsen is in no trouble at WVU. Oliver Luck is backing Holgorsen 100%...

Even if he wasn't "backing Holgorsen 100%", he gets a pass this year because of the NFL talent WV loss....

It wouldn't surprise me, depending on how Wisconsin does this season, if they have to do another coaching search up there in Madison. They had a good eye for someone like Andersen. Hope they have deep pockets, too.

Chris Ault might still have a few years still in him.

I'd LOL if UNL would take a deposed Mack Brown. The Cornhuskers need that pipeline to Texas...

(09-17-2013 12:28 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 12:23 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 11:41 AM)Underdog Wrote:  My comments in bold:

(07-23-2013 01:41 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Here's my list for this year (prominent programs only):

Dana Holgerson - you hear grumblings about "the mistake". Probably will get by this year, but another season like last and he'll need a Nat'l Championship to survive after 2014.

WV has played better than expected and beating TX at Morgantown will save his job….

Dana Holgorsen is in no trouble at WVU. Oliver Luck is backing Holgorsen 100%...

Even if he wasn't "backing Holgorsen 100%", he gets a pass this year because of the NFL talent WV loss....

WVU still has plenty of talent. However, many are freshmen or sophomores. WVU is currently one of the youngest teams in the NCAA...

The future is bright, and I expect WVU to have a better season this year than they did last year...

(09-17-2013 11:35 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 11:21 AM)chess Wrote:  I am a Nebraska fan and have no inside information.

I don't think Pelini will lose his head coaching position.

While I understand his frustration and the frustration of the fans, Nebraska will win 9-10 games this year.

Pelini's defenses have not lived up to the past but firing Pelini is a gamble, too. Nebraska is not going after Bobby Petrino. Petrino is the type of coach that could lead Nebraska to a Big 10 title.

Is that good enough for Nebraska, though? I see them the same as Wisconsin... always a potential Big 10 champion, but never a real national title contender. Based on conference affiliation and geography, Nebraska will likely never be a top 5 recruiting school any more, but they could set up an Oregon or Stanford like system with the right coach to turn them into a system school using the recruits they can capture.

Nebraska needs to improve recruiting. Games in Texas and California will help. So, out of conference games against Houston, Rice, SMU, UTSA, San Diego State, Fresno State, USC, UCLA, California, and Stanford will be important to grabbing a few quality recruits.

Florida State, Miami, and Southern Cal are in the same boat.

(09-02-2013 10:29 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I imagine that Bobby Stoops at UK will be on the list in two weeks from now.

I don't see that at all Wilkie. I would assume that's a joke. I hate UK as much as you, but I've seen Stoops do well so far. He's got commitments from a couple of good players from the Cincinnati area and he's been doing well overall in recruiting. UK wants a good football team. Hey, I as well as the next guy wants to see complete and utter failure in Lexington, but at this point, Stoops appears to be doing well. If Stoops had a little luck, he may have beaten UL last week.

(09-18-2013 05:06 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  

(09-02-2013 10:29 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I imagine that Bobby Stoops at UK will be on the list in two weeks from now.

I don't see that at all Wilkie. I would assume that's a joke. I hate UK as much as you, but I've seen Stoops do well so far. He's got commitments from a couple of good players from the Cincinnati area and he's been doing well overall in recruiting. UK wants a good football team. Hey, I as well as the next guy wants to see complete and utter failure in Lexington, but at this point, Stoops appears to be doing well. If Stoops had a little luck, he may have beaten UL last week.

Ha! Ummm... no on firing a head coach after 4 weeks that is landing the best recruiting class in UK football history. At least our players seem to care this year.