They will never and I mean NEVER split from the NCAA. The fear losing amateur status, issues with taxes and tax raised monies that go into their schools.

No matter what they say, claim and raise the ire of and fear of many, all they want is to create their own Championship level so they can keep a bigger piece of the pie, period. That "may" happen, but they will STILL be, albeit with different rules, regulated by the NCAA.

(07-23-2013 03:39 PM)PeoriaHuskie11 Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 02:24 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 01:00 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:24 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Frazier being from Wisconsin will know exactly what's going on the AQ side. Lets see if he can pick it up before the doors close on us. I am thinking the 30k attendance thing is part of this.

Looking back at the last 20 years or so, I think it's fair to ask if the door has ever really been open. The peak of upward mobility was what? The dying years of Big East?

For all the aspiration, no one on the outside has cracked the club that wasn't there when I was a kid.

TCU and Utah.

I will give you Utah, but TCU was a part of the old Southwest Conference, in which they played with Texas, Texam A&M, Arkansas, etc. They just got left in the dust back in 96.

UConn, UCF and South Florida went from no division 1-A football at all, to BCS. Those are the three schools that immediately come to mind to me. Although with the dissolution of the Big East their new conference is now equal standing to the MAC.

That actually might be a worse fate, once a BCS school and no longer one.

(07-23-2013 02:43 PM)niu79 Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 09:25 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  1. Antitrust lawsuit
2. Political consequences (Congress may act)

If they split from the NCAA they could possibly avoid 1 and 2.

Why? I don't see why that absolves them. They'd still arguably be a cartel unreasonably restraining trade, and could still get hit under a boycott theory, and pay treble damages... even face criminal penalties.

Here's an interesting Vanderbilt Journal of Entertainment and Technology Law article, authored by a former DOJ prosecutor and DOT adviser, from last year laying out a case I-AA schools may have against the BCS and I-A schools and conferences:

http://www.jetlaw.org/wp-content/journal-pdfs/Maney.pdf

(07-23-2013 09:25 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  I personally think that this is saber rattling on the part of these conferences. If they made the decision to split that decision would be fraught with danger. Those dangers include:
1. Antitrust lawsuit
2. Political consequences (Congress may act)
3. Getting completely kicked out of the NCAA.
4. A rebellion in their ranks by the lesser BCS football schools because they would never win.
5. Cannibalism. Only the top 10 super programs would be left and viable over time.
6. If they get kicked out of the NCAA all of their other sports programs would suffer especially non-revenue sports.

#4 and 5 will happen and those lesser power conference programs (ex. Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, etc.) will die a slow death from apathy. Then all will see that in each power conference, there is anywhere from two to four teams driving the bus. Everybody else is just a passenger who is allowed to shout to all who will listen that they are part of the power. The big lie will be out in the open when they can no longer schedule 4 home game patsies to pad their records.

I believe guys like Jim DeLaney are pushing this idea. It will kill them in the long run, but he'll be dead by then.

(07-23-2013 04:00 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 03:39 PM)PeoriaHuskie11 Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 02:24 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 01:00 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:24 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Frazier being from Wisconsin will know exactly what's going on the AQ side. Lets see if he can pick it up before the doors close on us. I am thinking the 30k attendance thing is part of this.

Looking back at the last 20 years or so, I think it's fair to ask if the door has ever really been open. The peak of upward mobility was what? The dying years of Big East?

For all the aspiration, no one on the outside has cracked the club that wasn't there when I was a kid.

TCU and Utah.

I will give you Utah, but TCU was a part of the old Southwest Conference, in which they played with Texas, Texam A&M, Arkansas, etc. They just got left in the dust back in 96.

UConn, UCF and South Florida went from no division 1-A football at all, to BCS. Those are the three schools that immediately come to mind to me. Although with the dissolution of the Big East their new conference is now equal standing to the MAC.

That actually might be a worse fate, once a BCS school and no longer one.

That's the point. Two decades of movement and the club is the same, but now they have even more money and the power that goes with it. I used to think you could win your way up, but the trend says otherwise.

Like the article says, if this subdivision does occur there will be one last mad rush of teams to join, lets hope NIU gets in. Too much has gone into the football program to have it end.

(07-23-2013 07:58 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 04:00 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 03:39 PM)PeoriaHuskie11 Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 02:24 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 01:00 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  Looking back at the last 20 years or so, I think it's fair to ask if the door has ever really been open. The peak of upward mobility was what? The dying years of Big East?

For all the aspiration, no one on the outside has cracked the club that wasn't there when I was a kid.

TCU and Utah.

I will give you Utah, but TCU was a part of the old Southwest Conference, in which they played with Texas, Texam A&M, Arkansas, etc. They just got left in the dust back in 96.

UConn, UCF and South Florida went from no division 1-A football at all, to BCS. Those are the three schools that immediately come to mind to me. Although with the dissolution of the Big East their new conference is now equal standing to the MAC.

That actually might be a worse fate, once a BCS school and no longer one.

That's the point. Two decades of movement and the club is the same, but now they have even more money and the power that goes with it. I used to think you could win your way up, but the trend says otherwise.

If any other schools move up, we might make someone's shortlist via the #3 Chicago DMA. (and continued success)

I have thought for quite some time that when the music stops there will be 5 16 team conferences and the others move down to FCS.

NIU has two things going for it to be included in those 80 teams...Chicago and winning. What needs to happen is continued winning, big game wins and vastly improved attendance.

(07-24-2013 05:23 PM)BobL Wrote:  I have thought for quite some time that when the music stops there will be 5 16 team conferences and the others move down to FCS.

NIU has two things going for it to be included in those 80 teams...Chicago and winning. What needs to happen is continued winning, big game wins and vastly improved attendance.

That is where hopefully Frazier can come in and turn things around with scheduling

(07-24-2013 05:23 PM)BobL Wrote:  I have thought for quite some time that when the music stops there will be 5 16 team conferences and the others move down to FCS.

NIU has two things going for it to be included in those 80 teams...Chicago and winning. What needs to happen is continued winning, big game wins and vastly improved attendance.

The GORs of the power 5 assure they will not be picking up teams from another Power 5 conference.

(07-24-2013 06:23 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 05:23 PM)BobL Wrote:  I have thought for quite some time that when the music stops there will be 5 16 team conferences and the others move down to FCS.

NIU has two things going for it to be included in those 80 teams...Chicago and winning. What needs to happen is continued winning, big game wins and vastly improved attendance.

The GORs of the power 5 assure they will not be picking up teams from another Power 5 conference.

All rhetoric at this point, no one knows for sure how it will exactly play out.