(07-18-2013 12:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You guys realize this vote is for which conference will be the best in 2013 ONLY, right? It's a question driven by realignment. It has nothing to do with the past, only a ranking of how tough you think each conference will be in 2013.

Right.

The Big10 has been the best conference the past few years and until some conference can show they are better it is the Big10.

It's not which conference the champion comes from - it's who has the better conference. It's the Big10, hands down.

The RPI from the past two seasons shows the B10 with a big lead. The ACC is 4th and 6th respectively in the past two years. http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/conferencerpi

The ACC has a great history but not recently.

(07-18-2013 12:48 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:52 AM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:30 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 06:22 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 06:10 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  Because they were.

The Big 10 has won the Big10/ACC challenge 3 of the past 4 years - the other year it was a tie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACC–Big_Ten_Challenge

The Big 10 had three teams in the top 7 of last year's final rankings - the ACC had 1.

The Big 10 had five teams in the top 25 of last year's final rankings - the ACC had 2. Syracuse isn't enough the balance the numbers.

Louisville will not be in the ACC this year.

Don't let reality and facts get in your way.

And how many champions have come from the B1G in that time?

Final Fours?

ACC > B1G now, and once the new teams come in, it's not even close.

The B1G has won only ONE national championship since 1989 (one in 23 years); CASE CLOSED!!

The discussion is who has been the better conference the past few years. It's not the ACC - it's the B1G.
With your logic, the SEC would be a better conference than the ACC or B1G the past couple of years.

OK. They have not won a national championship since 2000. Does that change your opinion? Any Big 6 conference that has not won one in 13 years can't be rated better. You can talk about Final Fours all you want but when rating conferences, Championships are the criteria for most.

The Big10 has been a better basketball conference than the ACC the past couple of years. Championships don't matter - again, by using that logic the SEC is a better basketball conference which is a ridiculous argument.

I didn't bring up the final four argument - that was from the other side. That wasn't correct, the same as Louisville being in the ACC next year.

(07-18-2013 02:11 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:48 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:52 AM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:30 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 06:22 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  And how many champions have come from the B1G in that time?

Final Fours?

ACC > B1G now, and once the new teams come in, it's not even close.

The B1G has won only ONE national championship since 1989 (one in 23 years); CASE CLOSED!!

The discussion is who has been the better conference the past few years. It's not the ACC - it's the B1G.
With your logic, the SEC would be a better conference than the ACC or B1G the past couple of years.

OK. They have not won a national championship since 2000. Does that change your opinion? Any Big 6 conference that has not won one in 13 years can't be rated better. You can talk about Final Fours all you want but when rating conferences, Championships are the criteria for most.

The Big10 has been a better basketball conference than the ACC the past couple of years. Championships don't matter - again, by using that logic the SEC is a better basketball conference which is a ridiculous argument.

I didn't bring up the final four argument - that was from the other side. That wasn't correct, the same as Louisville being in the ACC next year.

Why do you continue to argue with him...

His argument is silly...1 team does not make a conference good...we saw that in C-USA...

I guess the argument is if we don't collapse in 08 that C-USA would be better than the B1G

(07-18-2013 02:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:11 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:48 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:52 AM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:30 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  The B1G has won only ONE national championship since 1989 (one in 23 years); CASE CLOSED!!

The discussion is who has been the better conference the past few years. It's not the ACC - it's the B1G.
With your logic, the SEC would be a better conference than the ACC or B1G the past couple of years.

OK. They have not won a national championship since 2000. Does that change your opinion? Any Big 6 conference that has not won one in 13 years can't be rated better. You can talk about Final Fours all you want but when rating conferences, Championships are the criteria for most.

The Big10 has been a better basketball conference than the ACC the past couple of years. Championships don't matter - again, by using that logic the SEC is a better basketball conference which is a ridiculous argument.

I didn't bring up the final four argument - that was from the other side. That wasn't correct, the same as Louisville being in the ACC next year.

Why do you continue to argue with him...

His argument is silly...1 team does not make a conference good...we saw that in C-USA...

I guess the argument is if we don't collapse in 08 that C-USA would be better than the B1G

Mea Culpa

It's like getting prank and not realizing it until the end.

(07-17-2013 02:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 02:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  1.ACC (how can you not?)
2.Big Ten
3.American Athletic (2013 w/ Louisville and w/out ECU and Tulane)
4.Big 12
5.Big East
6.SEC (Kentucky and Tennessee)
7.Pac-12
8.Atlantic 10
9.Mountain West
10.C-USA

That's how I had it, but I transposed the Pac-12 and the SEC. The SEC is Kentucky and Florida, and then everyone else. Tennessee will probably land third place, and will probably be a 10 seed. When your third place team is that mediocre, the conference is not good.

Really, you do realize that Cincy is probably the third best team in the aac (after we leave), and they were a 10 seed, last tourny, who were bounced in the first round. So by that reasoning are they mediocre, and this conference is not that good?

(07-18-2013 02:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:11 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:48 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:52 AM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:30 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  The B1G has won only ONE national championship since 1989 (one in 23 years); CASE CLOSED!!

The discussion is who has been the better conference the past few years. It's not the ACC - it's the B1G.
With your logic, the SEC would be a better conference than the ACC or B1G the past couple of years.

OK. They have not won a national championship since 2000. Does that change your opinion? Any Big 6 conference that has not won one in 13 years can't be rated better. You can talk about Final Fours all you want but when rating conferences, Championships are the criteria for most.

The Big10 has been a better basketball conference than the ACC the past couple of years. Championships don't matter - again, by using that logic the SEC is a better basketball conference which is a ridiculous argument.

I didn't bring up the final four argument - that was from the other side. That wasn't correct, the same as Louisville being in the ACC next year.

Why do you continue to argue with him...

His argument is silly...1 team does not make a conference good...we saw that in C-USA...

I guess the argument is if we don't collapse in 08 that C-USA would be better than the B1G

CUSA was not a big six league. Go to this site to see how well each team in all conferences have fared in the tourney-you will see that the BIG 10 has consistently underperformed compared to most other power conferences recently and since 1989.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men's_...conference

Let's just throw the ball up this fall and see where the dust settles.

That's the true poll.

(07-18-2013 03:56 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:11 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:48 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:52 AM)Tiger USA Wrote:  The discussion is who has been the better conference the past few years. It's not the ACC - it's the B1G.
With your logic, the SEC would be a better conference than the ACC or B1G the past couple of years.

OK. They have not won a national championship since 2000. Does that change your opinion? Any Big 6 conference that has not won one in 13 years can't be rated better. You can talk about Final Fours all you want but when rating conferences, Championships are the criteria for most.

The Big10 has been a better basketball conference than the ACC the past couple of years. Championships don't matter - again, by using that logic the SEC is a better basketball conference which is a ridiculous argument.

I didn't bring up the final four argument - that was from the other side. That wasn't correct, the same as Louisville being in the ACC next year.

Why do you continue to argue with him...

His argument is silly...1 team does not make a conference good...we saw that in C-USA...

I guess the argument is if we don't collapse in 08 that C-USA would be better than the B1G

CUSA was not a big six league. Go to this site to see how well each team in all conferences have fared in the tourney-you will see that the BIG 10 has consistently underperformed compared to most other power conferences recently and since 1989.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men's_...conference

That is a more logical and well thought out argument than what you were throwing out there before...Just saying.

(07-18-2013 04:58 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Let's just throw the ball up this fall and see where the dust settles.

That's the true poll.

Amen

(07-18-2013 11:52 AM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:30 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 06:22 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 06:10 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 03:35 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  How on Earth can you call the B1G the best conference the past few years?

I thought the ACC was the clear cream of the crop already, and then they added Syracuse and Louisville.

Because they were.

The Big 10 has won the Big10/ACC challenge 3 of the past 4 years - the other year it was a tie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACC–Big_Ten_Challenge

The Big 10 had three teams in the top 7 of last year's final rankings - the ACC had 1.

The Big 10 had five teams in the top 25 of last year's final rankings - the ACC had 2. Syracuse isn't enough the balance the numbers.

Louisville will not be in the ACC this year.

Don't let reality and facts get in your way.

And how many champions have come from the B1G in that time?

Final Fours?

ACC > B1G now, and once the new teams come in, it's not even close.

The B1G has won only ONE national championship since 1989 (one in 23 years); CASE CLOSED!!

The discussion is who has been the better conference the past few years. It's not the ACC - it's the B1G.
With your logic, the SEC would be a better conference than the ACC or B1G the past couple of years.

It most definitely IS the ACC, if the conversation is about the past few years. You seem to want to limit it to the past three, because that's the first time that the B1G ever won the B1G-ACC challenge.

The ACC is 10-3-1, with more Final Fours (if I remember correctly) and Champions over that period. Adding Louisville and Syracuse closes the door on this argument.

(07-18-2013 03:40 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 02:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 02:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  1.ACC (how can you not?)
2.Big Ten
3.American Athletic (2013 w/ Louisville and w/out ECU and Tulane)
4.Big 12
5.Big East
6.SEC (Kentucky and Tennessee)
7.Pac-12
8.Atlantic 10
9.Mountain West
10.C-USA

That's how I had it, but I transposed the Pac-12 and the SEC. The SEC is Kentucky and Florida, and then everyone else. Tennessee will probably land third place, and will probably be a 10 seed. When your third place team is that mediocre, the conference is not good.

Really, you do realize that Cincy is probably the third best team in the aac (after we leave), and they were a 10 seed, last tourny, who were bounced in the first round. So by that reasoning are they mediocre, and this conference is not that good?

Yeah, the AAC will not be a stellar conference once Louisville leaves. Cincy was pretty mediocre last year. Neither of these is a big secret.

Memphis fans are excited about the AAC though because it's a huge step up from the C-USA.

Rank Cliff Alexander's choices

Saw this one while I was checking out the conference ranker. Might be another one to crank some votes into.

Good F...ing grief people.

(07-19-2013 03:35 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  Wow. You're that extra special kind of stupid.

What do you think a few years means?

Definition of FEW
: consisting of or amounting to only a small number <one of our few pleasures>

Man, you're a charmer aren't you.

That's like saying UTK basketball > Kentucky basketball because they won the last meeting; ignoring the overall series, and all the accolades that UK has over UTK.

But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion on the subject. Give me a 10-3-1 record and 5 National Champions in 14 years (7 if you get to count Syracuse and Louisville; that's 50% of the last 14 NC's) and 16 Final Fours if we count the newcomers. The B1G did lead in the RPI over the past handful of years though, for the very little that is worth.

(07-19-2013 03:47 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:35 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  Wow. You're that extra special kind of stupid.

What do you think a few years means?

Definition of FEW
: consisting of or amounting to only a small number <one of our few pleasures>

Man, you're a charmer aren't you.

That's like saying UTK basketball > Kentucky basketball because they won the last meeting; ignoring the overall series, and all the accolades that UK has over UTK.

But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion on the subject. Give me a 10-3-1 record and 5 National Champions in 14 years (7 if you get to count Syracuse and Louisville; that's 50% of the last 14 NC's) and 16 Final Fours if we count the newcomers. The B1G did lead in the RPI over the past handful of years though, for the very little that is worth.

This is truly bizarro world.

Now the definition of a "few" years has been changed to ~15 years because you were posting nonsense.

You still don't understand that Louisville is not in the ACC next year. Like I said, extra special kinda stupid.

(07-19-2013 06:01 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:47 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:35 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  Wow. You're that extra special kind of stupid.

What do you think a few years means?

Definition of FEW
: consisting of or amounting to only a small number <one of our few pleasures>

Man, you're a charmer aren't you.

That's like saying UTK basketball > Kentucky basketball because they won the last meeting; ignoring the overall series, and all the accolades that UK has over UTK.

But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion on the subject. Give me a 10-3-1 record and 5 National Champions in 14 years (7 if you get to count Syracuse and Louisville; that's 50% of the last 14 NC's) and 16 Final Fours if we count the newcomers. The B1G did lead in the RPI over the past handful of years though, for the very little that is worth.

This is truly bizarro world.

Now the definition of a "few" years has been changed to ~15 years because you were posting nonsense.

You still don't understand that Louisville is not in the ACC next year. Like I said, extra special kinda stupid.

Sad.

(07-20-2013 03:42 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 06:01 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:47 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:35 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  Wow. You're that extra special kind of stupid.

What do you think a few years means?

Definition of FEW
: consisting of or amounting to only a small number <one of our few pleasures>

Man, you're a charmer aren't you.

That's like saying UTK basketball > Kentucky basketball because they won the last meeting; ignoring the overall series, and all the accolades that UK has over UTK.

But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion on the subject. Give me a 10-3-1 record and 5 National Champions in 14 years (7 if you get to count Syracuse and Louisville; that's 50% of the last 14 NC's) and 16 Final Fours if we count the newcomers. The B1G did lead in the RPI over the past handful of years though, for the very little that is worth.

This is truly bizarro world.

Now the definition of a "few" years has been changed to ~15 years because you were posting nonsense.

You still don't understand that Louisville is not in the ACC next year. Like I said, extra special kinda stupid.

Sad.

Yes you are.

(07-20-2013 05:14 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-20-2013 03:42 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 06:01 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:47 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:35 PM)Tiger USA Wrote:  Wow. You're that extra special kind of stupid.

What do you think a few years means?

Definition of FEW
: consisting of or amounting to only a small number <one of our few pleasures>

Man, you're a charmer aren't you.

That's like saying UTK basketball > Kentucky basketball because they won the last meeting; ignoring the overall series, and all the accolades that UK has over UTK.

But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion on the subject. Give me a 10-3-1 record and 5 National Champions in 14 years (7 if you get to count Syracuse and Louisville; that's 50% of the last 14 NC's) and 16 Final Fours if we count the newcomers. The B1G did lead in the RPI over the past handful of years though, for the very little that is worth.

This is truly bizarro world.

Now the definition of a "few" years has been changed to ~15 years because you were posting nonsense.

You still don't understand that Louisville is not in the ACC next year. Like I said, extra special kinda stupid.

Sad.

Yes you are.

He will insist that Louisville is in the ACC this year. He will do this every day from now until November 2014. Then he will spend the next 2 years telling you that he was right the whole time.

we have some very angry fans in our fanbase. Sad, really.

(07-21-2013 03:17 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  we have some very angry fans in our fanbase. Sad, really.

There's no anger. It is just immature that you keep denying reality.

The B1G has been the best basketball conference the last few years. The subject and the facts don't change.

You're simply wrong & your schtick is kinda old.