Don't know what the long term future holds for the bulldogs but they have a nice class coming in this year.

Berry turned down Purdue & Mizzou for Butler
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...soXAjXO5B4

I wonder if they will hire back their old coach Todd Lickliter. Who left Butler and bombed out at Iowa. He had a style that worked at Butler but did not go over well in Iowa City. Of course one reason he did well at Butler is because he had Stevens as an assistant.

(07-03-2013 07:13 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 07:09 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 05:06 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Who does Butler go after? Wichita St. coach Greg Mashall and Gonzaga coach Mark Few come right to mind. Butler now is in a better league and can offer more money and better exposure than either of those two schools.

Butler is no better than Gonzaga...in fact Gonzaga I think has a better national brand as they have been relevant for close to 15 years...Butler hasn't.

They might have a chance with the Shocker coach.

Uh i disagree, two finals in the last 5 years compared to a bunch of early exits? Gonzaga is still a mid-major.

Using that logic: If Gonzaga is a mid-major what does that make St Johns?

Gonzaga's brand runs deeper right now...but both programs are susceptible to falling out of the Big Time with a poor hire. The Zags are in the NW and out of sight for most fans and Butler is located in the epicenter of an area that follows IU/tOSU/ND/UM/Purdue/ILL/UL and UK.

If Butler doesn't find the right coach...they'll become a 2nd rate program like Providence or Seton Hall.

Butler is certainly in a tedious position. While they have established a brand name and notoriety one bad hire could ruin it all. This is a hire they can not afford to screw up.

(07-04-2013 09:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 07:13 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 07:09 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 05:06 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Who does Butler go after? Wichita St. coach Greg Mashall and Gonzaga coach Mark Few come right to mind. Butler now is in a better league and can offer more money and better exposure than either of those two schools.

Butler is no better than Gonzaga...in fact Gonzaga I think has a better national brand as they have been relevant for close to 15 years...Butler hasn't.

They might have a chance with the Shocker coach.

Uh i disagree, two finals in the last 5 years compared to a bunch of early exits? Gonzaga is still a mid-major.

Using that logic: If Gonzaga is a mid-major what does that make St Johns?

Gonzaga's brand runs deeper right now...but both programs are susceptible to falling out of the Big Time with a poor hire. The Zags are in the NW and out of sight for most fans and Butler is located in the epicenter of an area that follows IU/tOSU/ND/UM/Purdue/ILL/UL and UK.

If Butler doesn't find the right coach...they'll become a 2nd rate program like Providence or Seton Hall.

Really TexanMark? You just can't stop trolling can you? Typical Orange fan.

Man I'm glad We seperated from these New Big East guys. Look back in 5 years to see how far they fall

(07-04-2013 11:33 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 09:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 07:13 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 07:09 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 05:06 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Who does Butler go after? Wichita St. coach Greg Mashall and Gonzaga coach Mark Few come right to mind. Butler now is in a better league and can offer more money and better exposure than either of those two schools.

Butler is no better than Gonzaga...in fact Gonzaga I think has a better national brand as they have been relevant for close to 15 years...Butler hasn't.

They might have a chance with the Shocker coach.

Uh i disagree, two finals in the last 5 years compared to a bunch of early exits? Gonzaga is still a mid-major.

Using that logic: If Gonzaga is a mid-major what does that make St Johns?

Gonzaga's brand runs deeper right now...but both programs are susceptible to falling out of the Big Time with a poor hire. The Zags are in the NW and out of sight for most fans and Butler is located in the epicenter of an area that follows IU/tOSU/ND/UM/Purdue/ILL/UL and UK.

If Butler doesn't find the right coach...they'll become a 2nd rate program like Providence or Seton Hall.

Really TexanMark? You just can't stop trolling can you? Typical Orange fan.

The same fate could befall Syracuse, if they don't make the right hire after Beilein retires, just like it could at any other school during a coaching transition. The better programs usually have better prospects, since most coaches want to be the next man there. Programs like Butler depend on finding young coaches with talent, only to lose them later on to the bigger and better programs...

(07-04-2013 11:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Man I'm glad We seperated from these New Big East guys. Look back in 5 years to see how far they fall

Have fun in the ACC. It will be MUCH easier than you're used to. Oh and i hope you guys didn't like playing in major cities because you wont be doing that again in league play. No NYC, Philly, DC or Chicago. You know, the best recruiting grounds.

We already recruit NYC way better than St. Johns and in most major Cities. Louisville is a National brand . Unlike St. Johns. Georgetown , Marquette are your national brands. Sorry to burst Your bubble. Have a happy 4th.

(07-04-2013 11:44 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 11:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Man I'm glad We seperated from these New Big East guys. Look back in 5 years to see how far they fall

Have fun in the ACC. It will be MUCH easier than you're used to. Oh and i hope you guys didn't like playing in major cities because you wont be doing that again in league play. No NYC, Philly, DC or Chicago. You know, the best recruiting grounds.

Really NJRedman? You can't stop trolling...typical SJU fan.

(07-04-2013 10:18 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Butler is certainly in a tedious position. While they have established a brand name and notoriety one bad hire could ruin it all. This is a hire they can not afford to screw up.

I think you mean tenuous not "tedious" - unless you think Butler's position is boring.

(07-04-2013 12:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 11:44 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 11:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Man I'm glad We seperated from these New Big East guys. Look back in 5 years to see how far they fall

Have fun in the ACC. It will be MUCH easier than you're used to. Oh and i hope you guys didn't like playing in major cities because you wont be doing that again in league play. No NYC, Philly, DC or Chicago. You know, the best recruiting grounds.

Really NJRedman? You can't stop trolling...typical SJU fan.

We're not on the ACC boards, that doesn't work here.

(07-04-2013 11:40 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 11:33 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 09:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 07:13 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 07:09 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Butler is no better than Gonzaga...in fact Gonzaga I think has a better national brand as they have been relevant for close to 15 years...Butler hasn't.

They might have a chance with the Shocker coach.

Uh i disagree, two finals in the last 5 years compared to a bunch of early exits? Gonzaga is still a mid-major.

Using that logic: If Gonzaga is a mid-major what does that make St Johns?

Gonzaga's brand runs deeper right now...but both programs are susceptible to falling out of the Big Time with a poor hire. The Zags are in the NW and out of sight for most fans and Butler is located in the epicenter of an area that follows IU/tOSU/ND/UM/Purdue/ILL/UL and UK.

If Butler doesn't find the right coach...they'll become a 2nd rate program like Providence or Seton Hall.

Really TexanMark? You just can't stop trolling can you? Typical Orange fan.

The same fate could befall Syracuse, if they don't make the right hire after Beilein retires, just like it could at any other school during a coaching transition. The better programs usually have better prospects, since most coaches want to be the next man there. Programs like Butler depend on finding young coaches with talent, only to lose them later on to the bigger and better programs...

Not sure why we have to worry about Michigan's coach?

When Boeheim retires we have the successor already in the program (Mike Hopkins). Can he fail? Sure, but Syracuse's brand has been nationally relevant for 40+ years. They play in the largest facility in the best BB league in the country. So if they fall...they fire Hopkins and then hire again. They would recover quickly if the 2nd coach is good. I'm not worried...bluebloods recover, flash in the pan programs usually don't.

As for recruiting despite going to the ACC...Cuse still selects kids from all over. Kids are coming from NJ, NYC, Upstate NY, PA, IN, etc...even after the ACC announcement. The school is still grabbing Top 10 classes.

(07-04-2013 12:31 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 12:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 11:44 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 11:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Man I'm glad We seperated from these New Big East guys. Look back in 5 years to see how far they fall

Have fun in the ACC. It will be MUCH easier than you're used to. Oh and i hope you guys didn't like playing in major cities because you wont be doing that again in league play. No NYC, Philly, DC or Chicago. You know, the best recruiting grounds.

Really NJRedman? You can't stop trolling...typical SJU fan.

We're not on the ACC boards, that doesn't work here.

Your rebuttal is nonsensical. I think I made my point about the pot meeting the kettle.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...u1AEvXO5B4

Elijah Brown #36 shooting guard (Rivals) turned down St Mary's & SanDiego for Butler.

Butler had the 2nd most successful hoops program last year from the state of Indiana, unlike Notre Dame they did not fall on theirs faces in the first round and took Marquette to the wire in the 2nd round losing by just 2.

Butler is a mid sized private (4K) but located in a large city(Indianapolis) that has a ton of hoops talent. Plus they can play the "we don't have scholarship football so you will be the big man on campus card" with recruits that are considering them and an AQ football school.

Moving to the Big East where they will be playing regularly in Milwaukee, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York DC, Cincy and soon St Louis and Dayton will only help their recruiting no matter who is their HC

Only Vilanova and Marquette have multiple Rivals top 150 2013 recruits committed to them from the BE besides Butler.

(07-04-2013 12:41 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...u1AEvXO5B4

Elijah Brown #36 shooting guard (Rivals) turned down St Mary's & SanDiego for Butler.

Butler had the 2nd most successful hoops program last year from the state of Indiana, unlike Notre Dame they did not fall on theirs faces in the first round and took Marquette to the wire in the 2nd round losing by just 2.

Butler is a mid sized private (4K) but located in a large city(Indianapolis) that has a ton of hoops talent. Plus they can play the "we don't have scholarship football so you will be the big man on campus card" with recruits that are considering them and an AQ football school.

Moving to the Big East where they will be playing regularly in Milwaukee, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York DC, Cincy and soon St Louis and Dayton will only help their recruiting no matter who is their HC

Only Vilanova and Marquette have multiple Rivals top 150 2013 recruits committed to them from the BE besides Butler.

The player you showed didn't have one P5 offer if Rivals is correct. They have zero recruits lined up for '14.

(07-04-2013 12:57 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 12:41 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...u1AEvXO5B4

Elijah Brown #36 shooting guard (Rivals) turned down St Mary's & SanDiego for Butler.

Butler had the 2nd most successful hoops program last year from the state of Indiana, unlike Notre Dame they did not fall on theirs faces in the first round and took Marquette to the wire in the 2nd round losing by just 2.

Butler is a mid sized private (4K) but located in a large city(Indianapolis) that has a ton of hoops talent. Plus they can play the "we don't have scholarship football so you will be the big man on campus card" with recruits that are considering them and an AQ football school.

Moving to the Big East where they will be playing regularly in Milwaukee, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York DC, Cincy and soon St Louis and Dayton will only help their recruiting no matter who is their HC

Only Vilanova and Marquette have multiple Rivals top 150 2013 recruits committed to them from the BE besides Butler.

The player you showed didn't have one P5 offer if Rivals is correct. They have zero recruits lined up for '14.

The P5 doesn't have the same cashe in basketball as football. The SEC kinda sucks at basketball, so does a lot of the PAC and Big 12. The MWC and A10 can get a lot of the same recruits as the non Duke, UNC, Kentucky, UConn, Louisville, Kansas, UCLA, Ohio St, Michigan, MI St P5.

(07-03-2013 07:09 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 05:06 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Who does Butler go after? Wichita St. coach Greg Mashall and Gonzaga coach Mark Few come right to mind. Butler now is in a better league and can offer more money and better exposure than either of those two schools.

Butler is no better than Gonzaga...in fact Gonzaga I think has a better national brand as they have been relevant for close to 15 years...Butler hasn't.

They might have a chance with the Shocker coach.

I think their brands are about equal. Gonzaga's been to 5 Sweet 16's since 1999, but Butler's been to 4 with the first in 2003. Butler also has Hinkle, which is a huge plus for their branding.

As far the job, though, Butler is in Indianapolis, a big-league city in the heart of basketball country. Gonzaga is in Spokane, in the middle of nowhere.

Not quite in the middle of nowhere. It's somewhat close to Seattle and Portland as well as Canada (where they've recruited some over the years).

(07-04-2013 11:44 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 11:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Man I'm glad We seperated from these New Big East guys. Look back in 5 years to see how far they fall

Have fun in the ACC. It will be MUCH easier than you're used to. Oh and i hope you guys didn't like playing in major cities because you wont be doing that again in league play. No NYC, Philly, DC or Chicago. You know, the best recruiting grounds.

Like CardFan1 said, we are a National Brand...the 3 Time NCAA Men's Basketball Champs & current Defending National Champions...been going to Final Fours since the 1950's.

That also means we recruit Nationally...from Seattle, Washington to New York City, New York. As far as "Playing in Cities"...last I checked Miami, Florida & Atlanta, Georgia are "Major Cities" and home to ACC Schools. We will be just fine...L1C4...