(07-08-2013 02:35 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 12:49 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 12:22 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 12:05 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 04:50 PM)panama Wrote:  Your championships are not equal to Alabama , USC and Notre Dame's. You DO get that right? You played Elon, Wofford and the Citadel to get there.

Yes they are!!! You dont get it. The fact is that we played the teams at our level with the same scholarships and on average have had more success than anyone at any level div 1 in 30 years of playing. We played and won at the level in which we played. Now you could say that Bama's level is better or bigger and I would say yes it would be harder for us to win at their level. Now we have moved to Bamas level and we are starting over again. But our championships are equal to Bamas in the sense that we played and won at our level of competition. Sure Bamas are the top level but we did what we did with what we were asked to do and overall have done it better.

Youre never going to "on Bama's level". You are an ant to Bama. Might as well accept that truth and move on with life from there. Saban makes as much as your budget in salary and endorsements. They spent $37m a year just on football. As for your championships being equal to theirs, how come no other fan base ever makes such outlandish claims. Seriously, you have to know that sounds nuts.

Lets just "slow the roll" tide on the "fan base" making claims - a comment based on a few comments probably planned to get under your skin.

There is really a point of view issue going in this anyway. Our's is going to be different from anyone else's and especially different than one from a program that can count on their fingers their total number of football wins in school history.

But on a serious note about the issue, I can say that our Championships mean as much to us as Bama's mean to them. And in that respect they are just as good as Bama's championships. Perspective is the key here.

One can certainly draw comparisons and contrasts between these two programs. And I mean other than the similarly classic looking uniforms and the fact that GSU used to be known as the Blue "Tide".

In some ways, we are the same as Bama. They have won the most National titles at the FBS/1-A level and we hold that distinction at the FCS/1-AA level. Nobody in this fan base is going to argue (nobody might be a stretch as there is always a or two in any fan base) - that the FCS is a tougher level than the FBS. So, yes in that regard and the $ they spend.. Bama is much grander. In terms on National Exposure etc, FBS and so Bama's championships > than ours. But.. in contrast, those championships were not earned on the field through a playoff system and so the 1-A/FBS championship has always been somewhat of a fictional title and the NCAA Division 1 Champion is considered to be the 1-AA/FCS champion. In that sense and from that point of view, a Championship earned through the fire of a playoff system and recognized as the NCAA D1 Champion is better. Which would I rather have? The FBS title of course!

These are the two most decorated, championship crowned programs in their respective divisions of D1. We have been playing with the limitations and restrictions of an FCS teams, without those restrictions - our program is bound to improve and we hope that will allow us to better compete against top level FBS programs than we have recently done. Since this has somehow turned to a discussions of Bama. I'll throw the loss out there ONE MORE TIME. Considering in that LOSS, how well the Eagles performed against the BEST FBS program of all time... how much might we reasonably be hopefully of improving once all the restrictions of our former division are removed? How will we then measure against The Best of the Best in the FBS and how will we measure up against the Best of the Sun Belt at that time? Only time will tell.. but I'll leave you with this..... (might not be exact.. but from memory)

"We are Georgia Southern
Our Colors are Blue and White
We call our offense the GA Power Company.. and that's a great name for an offense!
Our Snap count is RATE HIKE.
Our Weekends began on Thursday
The Coeds out number the men, 3 to 2.
They're all good looking & they're all rich!
And Friends, You just can't beat that!
And you can't beat GEORGIA SOUTHERN..
..
And you aint seen nothing yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

From memory: ERK

GATA

Its a real common problem for Bama. People visit their facility and say, yeah its nice and you're legendary but you didnt earn these on the field...

http://www.rolltide.com/view.gal?id=25858

Look panama, First of all - their facilities have nothing to do with it.
Certainly they have earned their $ and their Alumni have kicked in plenty of support.

I was talking about a philosophical difference in any championship earned through a playoff system that allows all divisional conference teams a chance or opportunity to win the title. As opposed to a system that often is bathed in controversy, that only allows a small % of it's divisional members to "earn" a chance to play in the title game. The two teams are voted on. This is why the title is sort of fictional. Granted.. as I said - I'd still rather have the BCS title. But the FCS system is better and requires it's champion to emerge undisputed.

As far as Bama goes, I wouldn't argue that they have been the best team in the Nation the last couple of years (I called them the best of the best of the FBS). But some BCS programs have argued against that.

Not one of us will probably ever reach even a similar level as them in terms of facilities and budget. But that doesn't mean that we wont be able to beat them on the field at some point.

Bama is better - I'm not arguing against that.

Someone lock this thread

(07-09-2013 05:02 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 02:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 12:49 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Since this has somehow turned to a discussions of Bama. I'll throw the loss out there ONE MORE TIME. Considering in that LOSS, how well the Eagles performed against the BEST FBS program of all time... how much might we reasonably be hopefully of improving once all the restrictions of our former division are removed? How will we then measure against The Best of the Best in the FBS and how will we measure up against the Best of the Sun Belt at that time? Only time will tell..

One game against a team that was never a threat, in a classic trap situation, is not a measuring stick, I'm sorry to burst your bubble if you believe that it is, but it's not.

"trap situation"? Ok.. let's just start making excuses for Bama? Seriously? With all the advantages they have, you want to talk about excuses on why the allowed us to be competitive with them that day?

You couldn't "burst my bubble" if you tried my friend. Believe what you want to, but to say that the results of a direct head to head matchup is "not a measuring stick" of how two teams stack up on the field is beyond ridiculous. I'd say it is the only true measuring stick.

I don't think we need to make excuses for Bama since they won by 3 1/2 TDs. LOL.

(07-08-2013 12:17 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 12:09 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 10:03 PM)panama Wrote:  La Grange is less than hour from my house. Wow.

I figure as long as there are deer nothing impedes there being panthers in Georgia.

Really! Me too, and sinse you think im so cute why dont you come see me and really find out how cute. You can be my little kitten.

Seriously though, youre generalizations are hilarious, I was on campus Friday and saw no trash even in the streets. Our campus is next to Peachtree Center and Cenntennial Park. Our mayor ensures visitors are safe and therefore you rarely have any incidents in the central business district. But by all means please continue since I am sure you visted GSU once when you were 12.

I love you internet tough guys. Im being funny on purpose cry baby. Get a life son,

(07-09-2013 05:13 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 02:35 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 12:49 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 12:22 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 12:05 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  Yes they are!!! You dont get it. The fact is that we played the teams at our level with the same scholarships and on average have had more success than anyone at any level div 1 in 30 years of playing. We played and won at the level in which we played. Now you could say that Bama's level is better or bigger and I would say yes it would be harder for us to win at their level. Now we have moved to Bamas level and we are starting over again. But our championships are equal to Bamas in the sense that we played and won at our level of competition. Sure Bamas are the top level but we did what we did with what we were asked to do and overall have done it better.

Youre never going to "on Bama's level". You are an ant to Bama. Might as well accept that truth and move on with life from there. Saban makes as much as your budget in salary and endorsements. They spent $37m a year just on football. As for your championships being equal to theirs, how come no other fan base ever makes such outlandish claims. Seriously, you have to know that sounds nuts.

Lets just "slow the roll" tide on the "fan base" making claims - a comment based on a few comments probably planned to get under your skin.

There is really a point of view issue going in this anyway. Our's is going to be different from anyone else's and especially different than one from a program that can count on their fingers their total number of football wins in school history.

But on a serious note about the issue, I can say that our Championships mean as much to us as Bama's mean to them. And in that respect they are just as good as Bama's championships. Perspective is the key here.

One can certainly draw comparisons and contrasts between these two programs. And I mean other than the similarly classic looking uniforms and the fact that GSU used to be known as the Blue "Tide".

In some ways, we are the same as Bama. They have won the most National titles at the FBS/1-A level and we hold that distinction at the FCS/1-AA level. Nobody in this fan base is going to argue (nobody might be a stretch as there is always a or two in any fan base) - that the FCS is a tougher level than the FBS. So, yes in that regard and the $ they spend.. Bama is much grander. In terms on National Exposure etc, FBS and so Bama's championships > than ours. But.. in contrast, those championships were not earned on the field through a playoff system and so the 1-A/FBS championship has always been somewhat of a fictional title and the NCAA Division 1 Champion is considered to be the 1-AA/FCS champion. In that sense and from that point of view, a Championship earned through the fire of a playoff system and recognized as the NCAA D1 Champion is better. Which would I rather have? The FBS title of course!

These are the two most decorated, championship crowned programs in their respective divisions of D1. We have been playing with the limitations and restrictions of an FCS teams, without those restrictions - our program is bound to improve and we hope that will allow us to better compete against top level FBS programs than we have recently done. Since this has somehow turned to a discussions of Bama. I'll throw the loss out there ONE MORE TIME. Considering in that LOSS, how well the Eagles performed against the BEST FBS program of all time... how much might we reasonably be hopefully of improving once all the restrictions of our former division are removed? How will we then measure against The Best of the Best in the FBS and how will we measure up against the Best of the Sun Belt at that time? Only time will tell.. but I'll leave you with this..... (might not be exact.. but from memory)

"We are Georgia Southern
Our Colors are Blue and White
We call our offense the GA Power Company.. and that's a great name for an offense!
Our Snap count is RATE HIKE.
Our Weekends began on Thursday
The Coeds out number the men, 3 to 2.
They're all good looking & they're all rich!
And Friends, You just can't beat that!
And you can't beat GEORGIA SOUTHERN..
..
And you aint seen nothing yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

From memory: ERK

GATA

Its a real common problem for Bama. People visit their facility and say, yeah its nice and you're legendary but you didnt earn these on the field...

http://www.rolltide.com/view.gal?id=25858

Look panama, First of all - their facilities have nothing to do with it.
Certainly they have earned their $ and their Alumni have kicked in plenty of support.

I was talking about a philosophical difference in any championship earned through a playoff system that allows all divisional conference teams a chance or opportunity to win the title. As opposed to a system that often is bathed in controversy, that only allows a small % of it's divisional members to "earn" a chance to play in the title game. The two teams are voted on. This is why the title is sort of fictional. Granted.. as I said - I'd still rather have the BCS title. But the FCS system is better and requires it's champion to emerge undisputed.

As far as Bama goes, I wouldn't argue that they have been the best team in the Nation the last couple of years (I called them the best of the best of the FBS). But some BCS programs have argued against that.

Not one of us will probably ever reach even a similar level as them in terms of facilities and budget. But that doesn't mean that we wont be able to beat them on the field at some point.

Bama is better - I'm not arguing against that.

You would rather have the BCS tittle? You just invalidated the rest of your arguments. LOL. j/k



But seriously, any system has problems and dont believe that the FCS is so equitable because of a playoff system. The FCS has power conferences too. Who has won a championship outside of the SoCon, CAA, Missouri Valley and Big Sky? FAMU in '78? Western Kentucky in 2002? Eastern Kentucky in '82? That's about it and if you want tp say the OVC is a 5th power conference then it is only FAMU in 35 years. How amny of those champions are "big" FCS schools like App and GaSo and JMU? How many are state flagships like Montana and UMass and Delaware? So there are plenty of FCS schools with 5000 seat stadiums and enrollments of 7000 that will never sniff a championship. That's the reality.

As for the Bama link, it wasnt for the facility but rather for the pictures at the end of the slideshow of their championship trophy room. That is a LOT of championships going back to the leather helmet days. You cannot compare GaSo's championships to theirs any more than we would let someone come on here and compare Valdosta State's to yours. Apples, oranges and pumkins.

Panama, you are dead on.

Southern fans quickly forget how annoying it was to hear NDSU fans gloat about their D2 titles when moving to FCS.

D2 Titles < FCS Titles < BCS Titles

Each is good in their own right and that is all.

(07-09-2013 08:00 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Panama, you are dead on.

Southern fans quickly forget how annoying it was to hear NDSU fans gloat about their D2 titles when moving to FCS.

D2 Titles < FCS Titles < BCS Titles

Each is good in their own right and that is all.

And dont get me wrong. What Southern has accomplished accross three decades is unbelievable. But yes youre correct EagleWay.

(07-09-2013 05:33 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Someone lock this thread

+1

(07-09-2013 08:45 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(07-09-2013 05:33 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Someone lock this thread

+1

I think most fans of both schools said that 300 posts ago, lol. But other SBC fans seem to be enjoying it.

(07-09-2013 08:00 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Panama, you are dead on.

Southern fans quickly forget how annoying it was to hear NDSU fans gloat about their D2 titles when moving to FCS.

D2 Titles < FCS Titles < BCS Titles

Each is good in their own right and that is all.

I agree to this somewhat but as a former player who played on some of those NC teams you guys are refering to its hard not to feel underminded a little. To me the Championships do mean something and for Ga Southern it has alot to do with who we are. We are still a young program still growing. These championships to us were stepping stones to a greater goal. Even coach Russell wanted to play at the highest level and we had our chances in the past to move up before now. There was talk of moving up after our 1989 15-0 season to move to Div 1A. Its probabaly best that we are doing it now though. No the NC's we have dont mean anything to others in FBS but it does show our success and show what kind of program we are. We started from scratch with no money and no equipment. We had to borrow equipment from other schools like Fla state. We didnt have the money that GA state has right now as they start their program by any stretch. These championships are very important to Ga Southern and regardless of what others think they are valid. We played at the level with the scholarships at our level and won, and won very soon. To me this move is another stepping stone in what Ga Southern wants to become. Championships at any level are valid though. I think we will continue to win as we have in the past. We may have some bumps and our success may not be as fast as it has been in the first phase but it will continue becuase its just who we are.

(07-09-2013 10:03 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  

(07-09-2013 08:00 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Panama, you are dead on.

Southern fans quickly forget how annoying it was to hear NDSU fans gloat about their D2 titles when moving to FCS.

D2 Titles < FCS Titles < BCS Titles

Each is good in their own right and that is all.

I agree to this somewhat but as a former player who played on some of those NC teams you guys are refering to its hard not to feel underminded a little. To me the Championships do mean something and for Ga Southern it has alot to do with who we are. We are still a young program still growing. These championships to us were stepping stones to a greater goal. Even coach Russell wanted to play at the highest level and we had our chances in the past to move up before now. There was talk of moving up after our 1989 15-0 season to move to Div 1A. Its probabaly best that we are doing it now though. No the NC's we have dont mean anything to others in FBS but it does show our success and show what kind of program we are. We started from scratch with no money and no equipment. We had to borrow equipment from other schools like Fla state. We didnt have the money that GA state has right now as they start their program by any stretch. These championships are very important to Ga Southern and regardless of what others think they are valid. We played at the level with the scholarships at our level and won, and won very soon. To me this move is another stepping stone in what Ga Southern wants to become. Championships at any level are valid though. I think we will continue to win as we have in the past. We may have some bumps and our success may not be as fast as it has been in the first phase but it will continue becuase its just who we are.

I want nothing more than to get a 7th flag this season . I will rewatch old title games with the utmost respect and undestand they are the foundations of this program. The second bolded sentence of yours is the perfect way to put it.

The sentiment I was relaying is essentially how the media/general CFB fans see the pecking order of the divisions' titles. The media coverage alone of the NDSU title vs Alabama title proves that point.

(07-09-2013 08:00 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Panama, you are dead on.

Southern fans quickly forget how annoying it was to hear NDSU fans gloat about their D2 titles when moving to FCS.

D2 Titles < FCS Titles < BCS Titles

Each is good in their own right and that is all.

Yes it was annoying, but they were right in the end. Their dominating success in D2 led to them quickly dominating FCS. D2 success did matter.

From Gabe a NDSU fan

Not sure why any sunbelt teams are discrediting the fcs championships since most teams in the conference came from fcs or D2 so they are discrediting their own tradition. H

Ask the MAC how Marshall did when moving up to the FBS? They not only dominated the MAC, they did it immediately!

Troy moved up and won the conference 6 out of their 8 first years

That's what you got from this thread?

Brilliant!

(07-09-2013 01:25 PM)panama Wrote:  That's what you got from this thread?

Brilliant!

We all know he key ingredient for success is a large media market!

(07-09-2013 02:24 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-09-2013 01:25 PM)panama Wrote:  That's what you got from this thread?

Brilliant!

We all know he key ingredient for success is a large media market!

Again...reading comprehension is BRILLIANT!

As far as a "shake-n-bake" program goes, Georgia State has all the ingredients for success, yet it hasn't panned out to anything more than a grease fire.

(07-09-2013 06:21 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  As far as a "shake-n-bake" program goes, Georgia State has all the ingredients for success, yet it hasn't panned out to anything more than a grease fire.

Good grief, is it cliche rehash Tuesday? LOL

This guy Eagleway was the biggest swallower of Sammy Baker. So, nothing he says has any credibility. He finally jumped on the bandwagon when he realized his homeboy Sammy could not provide him a salary fitting for a gimp.

(07-03-2013 01:46 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:43 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:15 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:11 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  I mean location, enrollment, sports traditions, what are they know for academically? etc...

Georgia Southern Wiki :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Sou...University

Georgia State Wiki :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_State_University

Wiki links? Nobody has enough passion to post a personal summary and history?

Do not want to get into a pissing contest between the Two.

Would be like one of us asking what is the difference between the schools from your state,

You are a wise man. I really didn't see it coming.