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RE: Brett McMurphy tweets: AAC, ACC sign Military Bowl
A question still remains, and will remain for a long time: Does the American get a P5 opponent every year in the Military Bowl? ACC #7 is a lock, ACC #10 means you're looking for an at-large half the time.

Part of it depends on exactly how a "bowl pool" works.
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(07-03-2013 10:27 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  A question still remains, and will remain for a long time: Does the American get a P5 opponent every year in the Military Bowl? ACC #7 is a lock, ACC #10 means you're looking for an at-large half the time.

Part of it depends on exactly how a "bowl pool" works.

The location is going to play a big part. These are going to be mid-to-lower finishers in the ACC. I doubt there will be a lot of excitement for these fan bases to travel a great distance. My guess is that the Detroit Bowl is "odd man out" more often than not in a pool situation. But your right, it will depend on how the pool "works". There may be certain rules that have to be followed.
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RE: Brett McMurphy tweets: AAC, ACC sign Military Bowl
Why do people forget that Cincinnati travels pretty well to bowl games and they garner a decent television? Past history shows UC would bring 15-20K to this bowl game. The game would draw some television sets, as evident by last years Belk Bowl which was the highest rated Belk Bowl in three years (up 11% from the UofL-NCSt game from the year before).

Mike just doesn't want to see Pitt lose to Cincinnati again like they have 4 out of the last 5 years.
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RE: Brett McMurphy tweets: AAC, ACC sign Military Bowl
(07-03-2013 10:27 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  A question still remains, and will remain for a long time: Does the American get a P5 opponent every year in the Military Bowl? ACC #7 is a lock, ACC #10 means you're looking for an at-large half the time.

Part of it depends on exactly how a "bowl pool" works.

Seems the 10th team out of a 15-team league is more likely to make a bowl than the 9th team out of a 12-team league, and the ACC had the 9th team make a bowl fairly regularly. ACC even had 10 of 12 teams make a bowl in 2008.
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(07-03-2013 10:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 10:27 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  A question still remains, and will remain for a long time: Does the American get a P5 opponent every year in the Military Bowl? ACC #7 is a lock, ACC #10 means you're looking for an at-large half the time.

Part of it depends on exactly how a "bowl pool" works.

The location is going to play a big part. These are going to be mid-to-lower finishers in the ACC. I doubt there will be a lot of excitement for these fan bases to travel a great distance. My guess is that the Detroit Bowl is "odd man out" more often than not in a pool situation. But your right, it will depend on how the pool "works". There may be certain rules that have to be followed.

Detroit I suspect will be last on the list with a MAC backup agreement...
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(07-03-2013 10:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 10:27 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  A question still remains, and will remain for a long time: Does the American get a P5 opponent every year in the Military Bowl? ACC #7 is a lock, ACC #10 means you're looking for an at-large half the time.

Part of it depends on exactly how a "bowl pool" works.

The location is going to play a big part. These are going to be mid-to-lower finishers in the ACC. I doubt there will be a lot of excitement for these fan bases to travel a great distance. My guess is that the Detroit Bowl is "odd man out" more often than not in a pool situation. But your right, it will depend on how the pool "works". There may be certain rules that have to be followed.

Let's say the ACC #7-10 pool is Military, Detroit, St Petersburg and the Independence Bowl. Does anybody want to go to Detroit over Annapolis or Tampa or even Shreveport?

But if Detroit keeps getting an at-large because the ACC is short teams, they're not really "in a pool."
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(07-03-2013 10:57 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 10:27 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  A question still remains, and will remain for a long time: Does the American get a P5 opponent every year in the Military Bowl? ACC #7 is a lock, ACC #10 means you're looking for an at-large half the time.

Part of it depends on exactly how a "bowl pool" works.

Seems the 10th team out of a 15-team league is more likely to make a bowl than the 9th team out of a 12-team league, and the ACC had the 9th team make a bowl fairly regularly. ACC even had 10 of 12 teams make a bowl in 2008.

A while ago, I went back through 2007-12, and the 15-team ACC pool had 8, 11, 8, 12, 11 and 9 bowl-eligible. So, even with a 2nd team in the CFP or Cap One Bowl, #7 is a lock, while #10(11) gets an at-large half the time.

My guess is that the "bowl pools" will rotate their picks, so that you "spread the pain" of needing an at-large around.
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If Military can get out of that weekday afternoon slot it could be develop into a strong game. Asking people to take 3 days off work is a real burden
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(07-03-2013 10:27 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  A question still remains, and will remain for a long time: Does the American get a P5 opponent every year in the Military Bowl? ACC #7 is a lock, ACC #10 means you're looking for an at-large half the time.

Part of it depends on exactly how a "bowl pool" works.
If it works like the Big Ten bowl pools have been described, with a rule of five different schools over six years, then if the ACC is short a team every two or three years, that would tend to be spread across the bowls in the pool.
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Good pickup for both conferences. Both have teams nearby
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It could come partially down to school/conference decision. If you are down to the Military and Detroit Bowls being the only ones left, the conference looks at the match-ups, how many years teams have played in both, geography, etc. For instance, if you have Virginia looking at the spot and its against a good AAC team, they would choose the Military. On the flip side, if the next year its Pitt in the same situation, you send them to Detroit both because they are closer and because you went with the Military last year.
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(07-03-2013 10:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Why do people forget that Cincinnati travels pretty well to bowl games and they garner a decent television? Past history shows UC would bring 15-20K to this bowl game. The game would draw some television sets, as evident by last years Belk Bowl which was the highest rated Belk Bowl in three years (up 11% from the UofL-NCSt game from the year before).

Mike just doesn't want to see Pitt lose to Cincinnati again like they have 4 out of the last 5 years.

Difficult to compare the two Belk Bowl's, the time slot changed to a much more favorable time for the Duke vs UC game...
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(07-03-2013 11:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If Military can get out of that weekday afternoon slot it could be develop into a strong game. Asking people to take 3 days off work is a real burden

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(07-03-2013 03:28 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 11:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If Military can get out of that weekday afternoon slot it could be develop into a strong game. Asking people to take 3 days off work is a real burden

"The true football fan pays no attention to time or mileage when there is a big game to see." John Heisman

Yeah he never saw the Military Bowl or the Motor Pizza Bowl.
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(07-03-2013 07:45 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Hopefully the AAC representative is Navy for 5 of the 6 years. Even if it's an automatic home game for Navy, this would be the absolute best team that the AAC could provide for this bowl.

The ACC will bring a healthy number of people once they lower the ticket price to $2.
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i'd think the bottom shakes out similarly to this for the ACC

7-Military Bowl VS AAC 3-6/Independence Bowl
8-Military Bowl VS AAC 3-6/Independence Bowl
9-Detroit Lions Bowl VS B10
10- ST Pete Vs AAC
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(07-03-2013 09:30 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Full story from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...wl-sources

Will be American #3-6 vs. ACC #7-10.

The Military getting AAC #3-6 means that someone else is getting #1 and #2. That most likely means that the AAC is getting the Liberty.

Or at least that's what Aresco ("sources") believes.

I'm going to double down, and say that Aresco is misreading the Liberty Bowl situation, the AAC doesn't get the Liberty, and that the Military gets AAC #2-6.
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(07-03-2013 08:40 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 09:30 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Full story from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...wl-sources

Will be American #3-6 vs. ACC #7-10.

The Military getting AAC #3-6 means that someone else is getting #1 and #2. That most likely means that the AAC is getting the Liberty.

Or at least that's what Aresco ("sources") believes.

I'm going to double down, and say that Aresco is misreading the Liberty Bowl situation, the AAC doesn't get the Liberty, and that the Military gets AAC #2-6.

If the Liberty falls through we will end up with several nice bowls, but no clear cut #1 bowl. Obviously Aresco isn't thinking that's the endgame since he said the AAC #1 will be pledged to a single site. Hope he is not misreading the tea leaves.
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(07-03-2013 09:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 08:40 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 09:30 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Full story from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...wl-sources

Will be American #3-6 vs. ACC #7-10.

The Military getting AAC #3-6 means that someone else is getting #1 and #2. That most likely means that the AAC is getting the Liberty.

Or at least that's what Aresco ("sources") believes.

I'm going to double down, and say that Aresco is misreading the Liberty Bowl situation, the AAC doesn't get the Liberty, and that the Military gets AAC #2-6.

If the Liberty falls through we will end up with several nice bowls, but no clear cut #1 bowl. Obviously Aresco isn't thinking that's the endgame since he said the AAC #1 will be pledged to a single site. Hope he is not misreading the tea leaves.

That was thinking when I sent #AskAresco the question about the champ going to a single bowl. Without the Liberty, it could make sense to rotate the champ among Military/Birmingham/???? based on geography, which bowl is having a P5 and which needs an at-large, etc.

If you guys get the Liberty (much more probable IMO with the Military AAC #3-6 announcement), score one for the underdogs. If not, I get to be right.
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