(07-11-2013 09:45 AM)Cardinals Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:55 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  The ACC has nothing to gain from this bowl. I'd much rather see a matchup between the last place Big 10 or SEC team than the best AAC team.

As far as winning/losing, you have a point. If we beat a team from the American, nobody's going to be singing the ACC's praises, and if we lose the game, we'll be criticized roundly. But there's another consideration:

Bowl games get a different level of coverage in their local markets. I live in a city with 2 bowl games, and even if a local team isn't playing in one of them, they still get loads of coverage in local media. Regardless of who the ACC plays in this bowl, we'll get oodles of coverage in the Baltimore & DC markets at a time when Maryland probably won't even be playing football (since they're unlikely to make the post-season much once they get in the B1G). That's definitely something to be gained. And it's gained at the expense of the conference that thought they were cornering that particular market.

Yep!

(07-11-2013 09:45 AM)Cardinals Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:55 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  The ACC has nothing to gain from this bowl. I'd much rather see a matchup between the last place Big 10 or SEC team than the best AAC team.

As far as winning/losing, you have a point. If we beat a team from the American, nobody's going to be singing the ACC's praises, and if we lose the game, we'll be criticized roundly. But there's another consideration:

Bowl games get a different level of coverage in their local markets. I live in a city with 2 bowl games, and even if a local team isn't playing in one of them, they still get loads of coverage in local media. Regardless of who the ACC plays in this bowl, we'll get oodles of coverage in the Baltimore & DC markets at a time when Maryland probably won't even be playing football (since they're unlikely to make the post-season much once they get in the B1G). That's definitely something to be gained. And it's gained at the expense of the conference that thought they were cornering that particular market.

That point could apply to any conference. Sure getting a bowl game in the DC/Baltimore area is great, but it would be infinitely better against a power 5 school than an AAC school. Playing ECU or Cincinnati or Temple does nothing for us. Playing West Virginia or Tennessee or Penn State does so much more. Obtaining east coast coverage in a large TV market in a recruiting hotbed is something every conference wants, we should've been able to leverage that to get a tie in against a more prestigious team. The ACC dropped the ball on this one.

the opponent doesn't matter when you get down to the 7-10 selection IMO. it's hard to fill that slot with a P5 team every year

(07-11-2013 01:28 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:45 AM)Cardinals Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:55 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  The ACC has nothing to gain from this bowl. I'd much rather see a matchup between the last place Big 10 or SEC team than the best AAC team.

As far as winning/losing, you have a point. If we beat a team from the American, nobody's going to be singing the ACC's praises, and if we lose the game, we'll be criticized roundly. But there's another consideration:

Bowl games get a different level of coverage in their local markets. I live in a city with 2 bowl games, and even if a local team isn't playing in one of them, they still get loads of coverage in local media. Regardless of who the ACC plays in this bowl, we'll get oodles of coverage in the Baltimore & DC markets at a time when Maryland probably won't even be playing football (since they're unlikely to make the post-season much once they get in the B1G). That's definitely something to be gained. And it's gained at the expense of the conference that thought they were cornering that particular market.

That point could apply to any conference. Sure getting a bowl game in the DC/Baltimore area is great, but it would be infinitely better against a power 5 school than an AAC school. Playing ECU or Cincinnati or Temple does nothing for us. Playing West Virginia or Tennessee or Penn State does so much more. Obtaining east coast coverage in a large TV market in a recruiting hotbed is something every conference wants, we should've been able to leverage that to get a tie in against a more prestigious team. The ACC dropped the ball on this one.

I don't disagree with you - ideally it'd be the ACC and the B1G or SEC. But I was just pointing out that there's good reason to say that we're get something out of the deal.

(07-11-2013 01:28 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Obtaining east coast coverage in a large TV market in a recruiting hotbed is something every conference wants, we should've been able to leverage that to get a tie in against a more prestigious team. The ACC dropped the ball on this one.

If it were still the EagleBAnk Bowl at RFK, you'd be right. But it's the Military Bowl at Navy's stadium. I don't think that, after the bowl moved to Navy's stadium, you can avoid playing Navy's conference in the bowl.

(07-11-2013 04:04 PM)Cardinals Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:28 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:45 AM)Cardinals Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:55 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  The ACC has nothing to gain from this bowl. I'd much rather see a matchup between the last place Big 10 or SEC team than the best AAC team.

As far as winning/losing, you have a point. If we beat a team from the American, nobody's going to be singing the ACC's praises, and if we lose the game, we'll be criticized roundly. But there's another consideration:

Bowl games get a different level of coverage in their local markets. I live in a city with 2 bowl games, and even if a local team isn't playing in one of them, they still get loads of coverage in local media. Regardless of who the ACC plays in this bowl, we'll get oodles of coverage in the Baltimore & DC markets at a time when Maryland probably won't even be playing football (since they're unlikely to make the post-season much once they get in the B1G). That's definitely something to be gained. And it's gained at the expense of the conference that thought they were cornering that particular market.

That point could apply to any conference. Sure getting a bowl game in the DC/Baltimore area is great, but it would be infinitely better against a power 5 school than an AAC school. Playing ECU or Cincinnati or Temple does nothing for us. Playing West Virginia or Tennessee or Penn State does so much more. Obtaining east coast coverage in a large TV market in a recruiting hotbed is something every conference wants, we should've been able to leverage that to get a tie in against a more prestigious team. The ACC dropped the ball on this one.

I don't disagree with you - ideally it'd be the ACC and the B1G or SEC. But I was just pointing out that there's good reason to say that we're get something out of the deal.

Will the ACC really look better if we curb stomp Indiana, Mississippi State, or Iowa State, instead of beating Cincinnati? I think that UC is a better win, and I think that more UC fans will go to the game than MSU/IU/KU fans will. The same goes for a number of AAC teams. It would be one thing if there was a chance that LSU, Alabama, OSU, Michigan. Texas, OU, and so on would play in the game, but that isn't realistic. We're talking about the very bottom of the barrel P5 team v. cream of the g5 crop.

My concern with this bowl, is can the 10th best ACC school beat the 2-3rd best AAC school. I don't think so in most years.

(07-12-2013 03:28 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  My concern with this bowl, is can the 10th best ACC school beat the 2-3rd best AAC school. I don't think so in most years.

+1

although technically I think it's no worse than #10 ACC and no better than #3 AAC, so we're talking maybe Duke vs. UConn

(07-11-2013 09:00 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:28 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Obtaining east coast coverage in a large TV market in a recruiting hotbed is something every conference wants, we should've been able to leverage that to get a tie in against a more prestigious team. The ACC dropped the ball on this one.

If it were still the EagleBAnk Bowl at RFK, you'd be right. But it's the Military Bowl at Navy's stadium. I don't think that, after the bowl moved to Navy's stadium, you can avoid playing Navy's conference in the bowl.

The Liberty bowl in all likelihood won't feature a team from the AAC despite being played in Memphis' stadium. If the bowl had a specific tie in with Navy I wouldn't be complaining but it doesn't.

(07-11-2013 10:17 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Will the ACC really look better if we curb stomp Indiana, Mississippi State, or Iowa State, instead of beating Cincinnati? I think that UC is a better win, and I think that more UC fans will go to the game than MSU/IU/KU fans will. The same goes for a number of AAC teams. It would be one thing if there was a chance that LSU, Alabama, OSU, Michigan. Texas, OU, and so on would play in the game, but that isn't realistic. We're talking about the very bottom of the barrel P5 team v. cream of the g5 crop.

Yes. In 2014 Cincinnati is a mid major no matter how you look at it. And Cincinnati isn't going to the bowl every year, some years we'll get Temple or UCF or SMU or Houston. Then what will you be saying about it?

If the ACC wants to change the perception of being the weakest power 5 conference it has to stop affiliating itself with mid majors. In 2014 the SEC will have 0 bowl games against mid major conferences. Do we want to be more like the SEC or the AAC?

(07-12-2013 03:28 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  My concern with this bowl, is can the 10th best ACC school beat the 2-3rd best AAC school. I don't think so in most years.

I think we'll have more of a problem filling a 10th slot than worrying about beating the AAC. For the ACC's sake, I hope one of the slots are in the playoffs.... if not , then an access bowl. That pushes everyone up one bowl slot.

(07-12-2013 07:27 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 10:17 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Will the ACC really look better if we curb stomp Indiana, Mississippi State, or Iowa State, instead of beating Cincinnati? I think that UC is a better win, and I think that more UC fans will go to the game than MSU/IU/KU fans will. The same goes for a number of AAC teams. It would be one thing if there was a chance that LSU, Alabama, OSU, Michigan. Texas, OU, and so on would play in the game, but that isn't realistic. We're talking about the very bottom of the barrel P5 team v. cream of the g5 crop.

Yes. In 2014 Cincinnati is a mid major no matter how you look at it. And Cincinnati isn't going to the bowl every year, some years we'll get Temple or UCF or SMU or Houston. Then what will you be saying about it?

If the ACC wants to change the perception of being the weakest power 5 conference it has to stop affiliating itself with mid majors. In 2014 the SEC will have 0 bowl games against mid major conferences. Do we want to be more like the SEC or the AAC?

There aren't enough bowl teams in the power 5 to make the bowls a P5 to P5 matchup. The Pac 12 will have a game against the MWC. Big 12 will probably get Conf USA in a bowl, etc, etc. I don't think the SEC is done with all of their bowls yet so we'll see how they turn out. Playing the AAC in a lowe tier bowl has nothing to do with perception as long as the ACC wins that game. The ACC will change the perception when it starts beating the other power conferences in regular season and bowl match ups. That's way more important than playing the AAC in a bowl.

(07-12-2013 07:27 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 10:17 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Will the ACC really look better if we curb stomp Indiana, Mississippi State, or Iowa State, instead of beating Cincinnati? I think that UC is a better win, and I think that more UC fans will go to the game than MSU/IU/KU fans will. The same goes for a number of AAC teams. It would be one thing if there was a chance that LSU, Alabama, OSU, Michigan. Texas, OU, and so on would play in the game, but that isn't realistic. We're talking about the very bottom of the barrel P5 team v. cream of the g5 crop.

Yes. In 2014 Cincinnati is a mid major no matter how you look at it. And Cincinnati isn't going to the bowl every year, some years we'll get Temple or UCF or SMU or Houston. Then what will you be saying about it?

If the ACC wants to change the perception of being the weakest power 5 conference it has to stop affiliating itself with mid majors. In 2014 the SEC will have 0 bowl games against mid major conferences. Do we want to be more like the SEC or the AAC?

This simply isn't true. The SEC lost bowl games to WVU and UConn but that did not hurt their perception at all because they also won all those championships! Fair or not, it isn't how well your 7th, 8th & 9th best teams perform in bowls - it's how well #1 and #2 do that counts (with MOST fans).

(07-12-2013 07:16 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:00 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:28 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Obtaining east coast coverage in a large TV market in a recruiting hotbed is something every conference wants, we should've been able to leverage that to get a tie in against a more prestigious team. The ACC dropped the ball on this one.

If it were still the EagleBAnk Bowl at RFK, you'd be right. But it's the Military Bowl at Navy's stadium. I don't think that, after the bowl moved to Navy's stadium, you can avoid playing Navy's conference in the bowl.

The Liberty bowl in all likelihood won't feature a team from the AAC despite being played in Memphis' stadium. If the bowl had a specific tie in with Navy I wouldn't be complaining but it doesn't.

I mean that Navy owns the stadium--it's not just a home field that they share with a pro team or a municipal authority. So, just like the Las VEgas Bowl and will always be attached to UNLV's conference, the Military Bowl is pretty much a lock to have an AAC tie in.

(07-12-2013 07:27 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 10:17 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Will the ACC really look better if we curb stomp Indiana, Mississippi State, or Iowa State, instead of beating Cincinnati? I think that UC is a better win, and I think that more UC fans will go to the game than MSU/IU/KU fans will. The same goes for a number of AAC teams. It would be one thing if there was a chance that LSU, Alabama, OSU, Michigan. Texas, OU, and so on would play in the game, but that isn't realistic. We're talking about the very bottom of the barrel P5 team v. cream of the g5 crop.

Yes. In 2014 Cincinnati is a mid major no matter how you look at it. And Cincinnati isn't going to the bowl every year, some years we'll get Temple or UCF or SMU or Houston. Then what will you be saying about it?

If the ACC wants to change the perception of being the weakest power 5 conference it has to stop affiliating itself with mid majors. In 2014 the SEC will have 0 bowl games against mid major conferences. Do we want to be more like the SEC or the AAC?

Well, I don't think that your second comment/question is true, so to answer your first question: I think that Temple will travel to Annapolis better than Mississippi State/'Ole Miss/Vanderbilt. Not only is it a LOT closer, but Temple fans will just he happy to be in a bowl, especially one against a P5 team. If we played another P5 conference, we would either get a team PO'd about "only" making a low bowl, or a bottom of the barrel team.

(07-12-2013 07:27 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 10:17 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Will the ACC really look better if we curb stomp Indiana, Mississippi State, or Iowa State, instead of beating Cincinnati? I think that UC is a better win, and I think that more UC fans will go to the game than MSU/IU/KU fans will. The same goes for a number of AAC teams. It would be one thing if there was a chance that LSU, Alabama, OSU, Michigan. Texas, OU, and so on would play in the game, but that isn't realistic. We're talking about the very bottom of the barrel P5 team v. cream of the g5 crop.

Yes. In 2014 Cincinnati is a mid major no matter how you look at it. And Cincinnati isn't going to the bowl every year, some years we'll get Temple or UCF or SMU or Houston. Then what will you be saying about it?

If the ACC wants to change the perception of being the weakest power 5 conference it has to stop affiliating itself with mid majors. In 2014 the SEC will have 0 bowl games against mid major conferences. Do we want to be more like the SEC or the AAC?

i'm not sure about sec having no bowl games vs non power 5 since bigten ,acc ,big12 all will have games vs non power 5 so I would expect sec will have a tie or 2 as well

No one is going to judge the quality of the ACC based on whether Navy or Temple beats Wake Forest or Duke. It will be whether Clemson beats Georgia or Miami beats Florida and how the ACC does in the Orange Bowl or the playoffs.

the acc right now has 7 bowl tie in no more no less any thing else is a maybe untill it is signed and if we dont end up with 9 we have failed.
8 is not enough we need 9.
and the aac has 3 bowls as of to day and a rotating tie in with the hawaii
bowl no more no less right now any thing more is a wish becuse it is not real untill it is signed

ACC will have 9-10
all should be finalized by the meetings in a couple weeks

(07-12-2013 08:40 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 07:27 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 10:17 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Will the ACC really look better if we curb stomp Indiana, Mississippi State, or Iowa State, instead of beating Cincinnati? I think that UC is a better win, and I think that more UC fans will go to the game than MSU/IU/KU fans will. The same goes for a number of AAC teams. It would be one thing if there was a chance that LSU, Alabama, OSU, Michigan. Texas, OU, and so on would play in the game, but that isn't realistic. We're talking about the very bottom of the barrel P5 team v. cream of the g5 crop.

Yes. In 2014 Cincinnati is a mid major no matter how you look at it. And Cincinnati isn't going to the bowl every year, some years we'll get Temple or UCF or SMU or Houston. Then what will you be saying about it?

If the ACC wants to change the perception of being the weakest power 5 conference it has to stop affiliating itself with mid majors. In 2014 the SEC will have 0 bowl games against mid major conferences. Do we want to be more like the SEC or the AAC?

i'm not sure about sec having no bowl games vs non power 5 since bigten ,acc ,big12 all will have games vs non power 5 so I would expect sec will have a tie or 2 as well

Yes, the SEC will probably be playing in the BBVA Compass Bowl versus the AAC.