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By Harry Minium excerpts
The Virginian-Pilot
July 3, 2013


Old Dominion ..... prospered in the CAA. In basketball alone, ODU won 17 women's and six men's titles - the most of any CAA school in either sport.

So it's sad to see the bitterness and acrimony associated with ODU's departure this week to Conference USA.

Athletic director Wood Selig, .... hesitant to comment on the CAA, described the reaction commissioner Tom Yeager and others had to ODU's departure as childish. "They acted like the kids who got mad and took their toys to play elsewhere," Selig said.

Initially, the league's athletic directors voted to allow ODU to remain eligible for the league football title. But a few weeks later, the CAA presidents, at the urging of Yeager and others, had their own vote and ODU and Georgia State became ineligible for championships in all sports.

Yet, those rules weren't uniformly applied. Rhode Island, which plays CAA football, announced in 2010 that it was leaving in 2013 for the Northeast Conference, yet the Rams remained eligible for CAA titles in 2011 and 2012.

Inconsistent is a kind way to describe this.

Although intended to punish institutions, the postseason bans punished hundreds of athletes, not their schools.

Conference USA commissioner Britt Banowsky called the CAA's postseason ban on ODU "punitive" .

This appears to have been a vindictive, self-destructive decision. For CAA field hockey and women's lacrosse teams, losing ODU means losing a nearby rival with excellent facilities.

I tried to get Yeager's take on all of this. He has often been accessible to the media and rarely dodged difficult questions.

But he said through the CAA's public relations office that he would have no comment.

more .... http://hamptonroads.com/2013/07/column-o...g-will-caa
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
Someone direct Yeager to the nearest burn ward.
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
That is a great piece of journalism.
Thank you Harry for speaking the truth and saying what needs to be said. 04-rock
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Shots Fired!
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
Charlotte leaves A10 for football, not only were they allowed to compete for A10 Championships, but were allowed to host several of them.

I think we should spread some of our ODU to CUSA awareness in Richmond and put a big billboard right in front of the CAA office. I get a kick that Yeager has to see the VCU billboards everyday.
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
(07-03-2013 07:58 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Charlotte leaves A10 for football, not only were they allowed to compete for A10 Championships, but were allowed to host several of them.

I think we should spread some of our ODU to CUSA awareness in Richmond and put a big billboard right in front of the CAA office. I get a kick that Yeager has to see the VCU billboards everyday.

I would wholeheartedly donate money for this to happen. I've seen VCU (obviously), UVA & JMU billboards here, but no ODU billboards. I'd even put money to post a billboard at the intersection of Patterson and Parham near the CAA office.
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
(07-03-2013 07:33 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  That is a great piece of journalism.
Thank you Harry for speaking the truth and saying what needs to be said. 04-rock

Well....factually there is an error.
The GMU situation was entirely different.

Quote:Yet, 10 months later, when George Mason announced it was also leaving for the A-10, its spring sports teams were immediately banned from CAA tournaments.

1. Prior to June 2012 (which applied to ODU and GaSt), the CAA rules required only a vote by the Council of Presidents in order to determine eligibility. In June the rules were changed to mandate ineligibility. In other words it became out of the hands of the presidents. It is now a hard and fast rule, which applied to GMU.

2. Yeager, like the school ADs, had zero authority in that process. He may well have advised the COP to make ODU and GaSt ineligible (I don't know for sure, do you?) just as the ADs voted to ALLOW ODU and GaSt.
However, it was the Council Of Presidents ALONE that made the decision.



EDIT: I am speculating here, but remember it has been widely reported that the alleged underhanded way that UR left the CAA was the cause for the vote of ineligibility in 2001.
Was the secret private meeting orchestrated by ODU (Selig) with JMU and UD in Fredricksburg to explore options leading to leaving the CAA as a group any less underhanded?

I wonder how ODU voted in 2001....
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
Selig looks like a fool to even dignify this with a comment. I agree that the football title switcheroo was WEAK, but Yeager and CAA are in the rearview now. Get over it and move on.
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
(07-03-2013 09:02 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 07:33 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  That is a great piece of journalism.
Thank you Harry for speaking the truth and saying what needs to be said. 04-rock

Well....factually there is an error.
The GMU situation was different.

Quote:Yet, 10 months later, when George Mason announced it was also leaving for the A-10, its spring sports teams were immediately banned from CAA tournaments.

1. Prior to June 2012 (which applied to ODU and GaSt), the CAA rules required only a vote by the Council of Presidents in order to determine eligibility. In June the rules were changed to mandate ineligibility. In other words it became out of the hands of the presidents. It is now a hard and fast rule, which applied to GMU.

2. Yeager, like the school ADs, had zero authority in that process. He may well have advised the COP to make ODU and GaSt ineligible (I don't know for sure, do you?) just as the ADs voted to ALLOW ODU and GaSt.
However, it was the Council Of Presidents ALONE that made the decision.

EDIT: I am speculating here, but remember it has been widely reported that the alleged underhanded way that UR left the CAA was the cause for the vote of ineligibility in 2001.
Was the secret private meeting orchestrated by ODU (Selig) with JMU and UD in Fredricksburg to explore options leading to leaving the CAA as a group any less underhanded?

I wonder how ODU voted in 2001....

I wonder how it was Richmond got back into the CAA when they started sponsoring football? Did JMU and William and Mary make it a condition of their move? If they were really that cheesed at UR, why not tell them to go pound salt in the Southern or Patriot?

I didn't see the ODU-JMU-Delaware meeting as an attempt to bring down the CAA so much as a collaboration with schools with similarly-aligned goals trying to feel them out on a move. I'm sure JMU and Delaware were at some level contemplating an eventual move up before ODU even restarted its program. VCU and George Mason obviously had similar conversations before their eventual moves. And 10-gets-you-20 that the old American East schools have talked about their futures, especially with the CAA going south for their latest members.

As for the rule change, I don't think the writer was saying that the CAA broke its own rules on the matter, just that it's been maddeningly inconsistent with how they treat departing teams in general. Like Rhode Island getting to remain eligible for football titles after announcing their intention to depart. Sure, they were no threat to win one, but neither was Georgia State, and they got banned for that one year. Plus the rule change backs up the column's thesis statement that the CAA and Yeager act punitively to the point of throwing a temper tantrum every time a school considers leaving for a better fit.

Contrast that with CUSA, which allowed its many departing schools to continue competing for titles until the very end. They did act punitively in yanking the men's basketball tournament from Memphis, but otherwise they've been above board in their treatment of the programs headed out the door. Ditto the A-10. And the ACC. And the Big East. As the writer pointed out, only the America East has acted this way (the Horizon was considering doing the same to Butler, but they beat feet to the A-10 a year early before it could happen).

I'm happy for the time spent in the CAA, I think some good stuff happened in that time, but they do not cover themselves in glory when it comes to saying goodbye. Conference affiliation is not national identity. It's headstrong and foolhardy for Yeager and the CAA to think this way, especially since they have no qualms about mining the America East and Southern for new citizens.
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
(07-03-2013 10:33 AM)ODU Hugh Wrote:  Selig looks like a fool to even dignify this with a comment. I agree that the football title switcheroo was WEAK, but Yeager and CAA are in the rearview now. Get over it and move on.

This.
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
Agree with the article. It's something that should of been said long ago.

However, Selig's comments were unnecessary. They could of been worded in a much more professional manner.
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RE: ODU is growing up. But will the CAA? Tom Yeager acts like a big baby
Good article by Minium. Brings up some good points about how the CAA acted extremely harsh to long standing members.

However, I've got to say: Minium keeps bringing up JMU, especially at the end of articles. Why? I understand JMU is a state school and has a decent amount of fans in the area but these JMU references seem like such awkward plugs (it is an ODU related article after all). Maybe I'm just crazy but does anybody else feel this way?
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(07-03-2013 10:43 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 10:33 AM)ODU Hugh Wrote:  Selig looks like a fool to even dignify this with a comment. I agree that the football title switcheroo was WEAK, but Yeager and CAA are in the rearview now. Get over it and move on.

This.

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Class organization C*USA, no class CAA.

I have yet to see an equivalent to this on the CAA Facebook page.

C*USA did this for every school that left the conference on june 30

"Conference USA
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In their final day as a member of Conference USA, we would like to thank UCF for all of their contributions to the league over the past eight years."
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I don't care what the CAA did or does. CUSA offered us something the CAA never could and we took it. Sure, for years the CAA did us very well but we moved onto something better. If Yeager is mad about a school trying to better themselves by moving their football program up a level so be it.

We are now CUSA members and I for one am going to embrace this opportunity and not worry about the CAA. Now, I just wait to see what they will do to grow the programs in Norfolk. That first starts with the new plan that incudes the stadium expansion.
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