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(07-03-2013 09:13 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  I hope some of you don't have kids. Those of you who have kids younger than 12, just wait. Those of you who have teenagers don't be fooled. Those of you who have grown kids, quit pretending they were perfect. It is easy to write people off and put them down, it takes a lot to lift them up. Where would CGM be without a second or third chance? How many people get a second chance and succeed? How many fail? We don't have any idea. The media promotes the failures because that's what the public consumes.

People are always trying to hold UAB to a higher standard, well, to me, the high road in situations like this would be to let a thorough evaluation dictate the outcome. We don't have access to all of the information, so deferring to the coaches and the administration would be wise.

Accepting every "troubled" kid isn't the best move but having a coach like CGM lends itself to helping some overcome their past. What good is it to overcome setbacks in life if you never get to share that with others and teach them how to overcome as well. If you have never overcome anything then you are living a pretty boring life with little to offer the rest of the world. If I were building a house I would seek advice from someone who has at least built one not from someone who hasn't.

Now who's on a a high horse?

So, when do a couple of bad decisions become a pattern of behavior?

I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm ambivalent, because I think we'll be starting one of the top 5 backs in the conference, already.

(07-03-2013 09:16 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 08:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 05:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Hilarious.

I have no clue who this guy is, how good he is or what he has done in the past, but the posts in this thread are funny. Had UAB not been mentioned, and Troy or someone else was picking up, the posts would have been trashing that program. Since UAB is mentioned, everyone is all about that is what the coach is paid to do, he should get a second chance. My favorite is the old "I've done stuff I’m Not proud of too".

On the other hand, you have people claiming they want only choir boys on the team and they "don't care if we lose every game" as long as we have fine upstanding men on the team. These are usually the ones complaint about losing every game.

It isn't just UAB fans, it's all fans that are as hypocritical as crap.

He'd be the best back in the conference the minute he stepped on the field.

He's also been thrown off two different college teams; one of them was a Gene Chizik team where the inmates were running the asylum.

I'd pass on the guy, for a couple of reasons:

1. We ain't hurting at running back, old alums of two of the UA campus' opinions notwithstanding.

2. He's been a headache everywhere else. What makes us think he won't be a headache here?

And a word the hypocrisy of fans, I remind you, good sir, that fan is short for fanatic.

Without a doubt. And surely that is the only reason McGee is considering him.

If he was a backup up TE at Idaho and committed a similar crime, nobody would ever touch him again.

And MB, I don't care what other schools do with players. I wouldn't rip another school for taking a chance on another player with a sketchy history, as I'm sure most schools do this, it just isn't as public as this case is.

What's really hilarious is how you have to go against the grain 9/10 just to try and put other people down for having stupid opinions.

1. McGee may have developed a relationship with Dyer while at Arkansas.
2. McGee might value helping kids change their lives for the better.
3. We have pretty good backs so that doesn't add up.
4. It has to be mutually beneficial, that applies to EVERY kid that we recruit because that is the nature of the beast.

(07-03-2013 09:21 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:13 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  I hope some of you don't have kids. Those of you who have kids younger than 12, just wait. Those of you who have teenagers don't be fooled. Those of you who have grown kids, quit pretending they were perfect. It is easy to write people off and put them down, it takes a lot to lift them up. Where would CGM be without a second or third chance? How many people get a second chance and succeed? How many fail? We don't have any idea. The media promotes the failures because that's what the public consumes.

People are always trying to hold UAB to a higher standard, well, to me, the high road in situations like this would be to let a thorough evaluation dictate the outcome. We don't have access to all of the information, so deferring to the coaches and the administration would be wise.

Accepting every "troubled" kid isn't the best move but having a coach like CGM lends itself to helping some overcome their past. What good is it to overcome setbacks in life if you never get to share that with others and teach them how to overcome as well. If you have never overcome anything then you are living a pretty boring life with little to offer the rest of the world. If I were building a house I would seek advice from someone who has at least built one not from someone who hasn't.

Now who's on a a high horse?

So, when do a couple of bad decisions become a pattern of behavior?

I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm ambivalent, because I think we'll be starting one of the top 5 backs in the conference, already.

Not on a high horse, my response had more question than suggestions.

I don't know when a couple of bad decision become behavior, it could happen after 1 bad decision. When does a helping hand help change someone's life for the better, for good? Researchers spend millions of dollars and their entire lives trying to figure that out and they don't have the answers. So I don't pretend to have them either.

I am not concerned one way or the other but this a message board riddled with opinions, so I gave mine.

Believe what you want. If Dyer wasn't a former star recruit who was a star at Auburn, teams wouldn't want to touch him. McGee is trying to win games so he can get out of town ASAP.

My money is on if a guy who would be a 3rd string CB had the same exact background that McGee wouldn't even consider him.

(07-03-2013 09:38 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Believe what you want. If Dyer wasn't a former star recruit who was a star at Auburn, teams wouldn't want to touch him. McGee is trying to win games so he can get out of town ASAP.

My money is on if a guy who would be a 3rd string CB had the same exact background that McGee wouldn't even consider him.

Do not just read what you want and then discard the rest. I also wrote:4. It has to be mutually beneficial, that applies to EVERY kid that we recruit because that is the nature of the beast.

I don't think anyone here is under the illusion that if this were a backup punter from Wabash College we'd be having this conversation.

I didn't read whatever I wanted, I read all that mattered.

If the kid was a no name player who wouldn't be anything but a backup his entire career, with Dyer's background, he wouldn't be considered.

So, your statements #1 and #2 mean nothing to me. That was where my argument came in.

(07-03-2013 10:17 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I didn't read whatever I wanted, I read all that mattered.

If the kid was a no name player who wouldn't be anything but a backup his entire career, with Dyer's background, he wouldn't be considered.

So, your statements #1 and #2 mean nothing to me. That was where my argument came in.

LMAO, you are funny. Life is calling pick up before it hangs up. Logic lesson: #4 supersedes #1 & #2, now go figure that out.

In everything you do, you should ask yourself - Is this good for the company?

(07-03-2013 10:17 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I didn't read whatever I wanted, I read all that mattered.

If the kid was a no name player who wouldn't be anything but a backup his entire career, with Dyer's background, he wouldn't be considered.

So, your statements #1 and #2 mean nothing to me. That was where my argument came in.

This is the true point of it for me.
After every story they make sure to quote his stats like that justifies everything. Sorry not buying it. If he was a walk on, NO ONE WOULD CARE!!!

I'm all for giving chances. I've given more then I can remember.
But just like I recently experienced with a soldier, if you bail him out this time AGAIN, he starts thinking he's Teflon. But whether we land him or not, I'll still be at every game I can. That's what we do as fans.
Voice our opinions and drive on with whatever the school, AD, or coach decides.

(07-03-2013 11:54 AM)rook360 Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 10:17 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I didn't read whatever I wanted, I read all that mattered.

If the kid was a no name player who wouldn't be anything but a backup his entire career, with Dyer's background, he wouldn't be considered.

So, your statements #1 and #2 mean nothing to me. That was where my argument came in.

This is the true point of it for me.
After every story they make sure to quote his stats like that justifies everything. Sorry not buying it. If he was a walk on, NO ONE WOULD CARE!!!

I'm all for giving chances. I've given more then I can remember.
But just like I recently experienced with a soldier, if you bail him out this time AGAIN, he starts thinking he's Teflon. But whether we land him or not, I'll still be at every game I can. That's what we do as fans.
Voice our opinions and drive on with whatever the school, AD, or coach decides.

How many have you received?

I'm very hopeful that a school/coach gives Mr. Dyer an opportunity to redeem himself and that he takes full advantage of that opportunity.

I'm equally hopeful that that school isn't UAB.

Hope you guys have enough paint for the corner you are finding yourself in.

(07-03-2013 01:23 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Hope you guys have enough paint for the corner you are finding yourself in.

perfect people don't paint themselves into corners, they just paint others with broad strokes.

I'm sitting back and munching on popcorn.

If McGee wants dyer and thinks he can help us win more games. I'm all for it. If McGee wants to win games and move on elsewhere. I'm for it. Better than having a 2 or 3 win coach for five years. Top priority right now is too win games without committing NCAA violations. Havent seen any violations.

(07-03-2013 01:07 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 11:54 AM)rook360 Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 10:17 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I didn't read whatever I wanted, I read all that mattered.

If the kid was a no name player who wouldn't be anything but a backup his entire career, with Dyer's background, he wouldn't be considered.

So, your statements #1 and #2 mean nothing to me. That was where my argument came in.

This is the true point of it for me.
After every story they make sure to quote his stats like that justifies everything. Sorry not buying it. If he was a walk on, NO ONE WOULD CARE!!!

I'm all for giving chances. I've given more then I can remember.
But just like I recently experienced with a soldier, if you bail him out this time AGAIN, he starts thinking he's Teflon. But whether we land him or not, I'll still be at every game I can. That's what we do as fans.
Voice our opinions and drive on with whatever the school, AD, or coach decides.

How many have you received?

To be honest..in the grand scheme 1 from being disrespectful. But you know why I got that chance, because of my previous history of NOT DOING STUPID CRAP AND BLOWING AWAY GOOD OPPORTUNITIES. And I learned from it.

The kid got busted and kicked out of AU, then got a second chance and kicked out of AS. We take him in 50% chance he doesn't get into trouble, 50% chance he does. Here's one for you, If he's so valuable why hasn't any "BC$" schools come calling for him?

I'm all for giving chances, but don't try to sell me on giving him a chance just because he was so good at AU and so we can win. If you want to give him another chance, it's because you honestly think he deserves a chance as a person, not as a plow horse to win games.

So why do you want him here, to honestly help him or because you think he'll be a good cog in the wheel to help UAB win?

(07-03-2013 03:14 PM)rook360 Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 01:07 PM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 11:54 AM)rook360 Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 10:17 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I didn't read whatever I wanted, I read all that mattered.

If the kid was a no name player who wouldn't be anything but a backup his entire career, with Dyer's background, he wouldn't be considered.

So, your statements #1 and #2 mean nothing to me. That was where my argument came in.

This is the true point of it for me.
After every story they make sure to quote his stats like that justifies everything. Sorry not buying it. If he was a walk on, NO ONE WOULD CARE!!!

I'm all for giving chances. I've given more then I can remember.
But just like I recently experienced with a soldier, if you bail him out this time AGAIN, he starts thinking he's Teflon. But whether we land him or not, I'll still be at every game I can. That's what we do as fans.
Voice our opinions and drive on with whatever the school, AD, or coach decides.

How many have you received?

To be honest..in the grand scheme 1 from being disrespectful. But you know why I got that chance, because of my previous history of NOT DOING STUPID CRAP AND BLOWING AWAY GOOD OPPORTUNITIES. And I learned from it.

The kid got busted and kicked out of AU, then got a second chance and kicked out of AS. We take him in 50% chance he doesn't get into trouble, 50% chance he does. Here's one for you, If he's so valuable why hasn't any "BC$" schools come calling for him?

I'm all for giving chances, but don't try to sell me on giving him a chance just because he was so good at AU and so we can win. If you want to give him another chance, it's because you honestly think he deserves a chance as a person, not as a plow horse to win games.

So why do you want him here, to honestly help him or because you think he'll be a good cog in the wheel to help UAB win?

You are a shining example for the entire world to follow, you have only made 1 mistake more than Jesus.

I haven't said that I want him here.

It will NOT be up to ANY of us as to whether Dyer comes to UAB. It is up to the guy whose job is on the line with every recruit that is not "choir boy" pure. I hope he gets to make that evaluation and makes the right decision for UAB's sake.