Memphis is a huge loss basketball wise. Everyone else, not so much. Time to stop living in the past and move on. Best of luck to all the AACs and it's time for us in CUSA to rise up and make some noise.

(07-01-2013 07:53 PM)Niner National Wrote:  ECU lost 3 of their best 4 players.

We still will have one of the best inside outside combo's in this league with Richmond and Armstrong. Richmond is one of the best 3 point shooters in the nation and has already shown he can averaged 17+ppg when he gots close to 30 minutes even on a team that was loaded with scorers like Kemp and Paul last year. Armstrong was one of the most productive bigs in CUSA last year when he was on the court averaged 11 and 6 on 56% in 24 minutes a game in conference play. We got enough around them with guys like Straughn, Guilmette, and PRC to still be a player next year.

Quote:Charlotte had a couple solid players transfer

Charlotte has 3 players over 6-4. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. There really isn't much else to say beyond that unless you get some other big between now and august.

(07-01-2013 08:15 PM)gs_pirate Wrote:  Thought he was a UVA commit ? Im glad we got the one we got. 6'7 guys with high motors are hard to come by. With the premature departure of Robert Sampson he will get his chances to play for sure.

One of our assistants was on the radio this week and said Caleb White was now 6-8. Enough video of him on youtube that if he is 6-8 and still retained the same ball handling skills he's the one I'm most intrigued about in this class.

(07-02-2013 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

Quote:Charlotte had a couple solid players transfer

Charlotte has 3 players over 6-4. That's just a disaster waiting to happen.

This coming year is sketchy, but we'll be in CUSA, not the Big East or ACC. We'll be OK.

(07-02-2013 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 07:53 PM)Niner National Wrote:  ECU lost 3 of their best 4 players.

We still will have one of the best inside outside combo's in this league with Richmond and Armstrong. Richmond is one of the best 3 point shooters in the nation and has already shown he can averaged 17+ppg when he gots close to 30 minutes even on a team that was loaded with scorers like Kemp and Paul last year. Armstrong was one of the most productive bigs in CUSA last year when he was on the court averaged 11 and 6 on 56% in 24 minutes a game in conference play. We got enough around them with guys like Straughn, Guilmette, and PRC to still be a player next year.

Quote:Charlotte had a couple solid players transfer

Charlotte has 3 players over 6-4. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. There really isn't much else to say beyond that unless you get some other big between now and august.

(07-01-2013 08:15 PM)gs_pirate Wrote:  Thought he was a UVA commit ? Im glad we got the one we got. 6'7 guys with high motors are hard to come by. With the premature departure of Robert Sampson he will get his chances to play for sure.

One of our assistants was on the radio this week and said Caleb White was now 6-8. Enough video of him on youtube that if he is 6-8 and still retained the same ball handling skills he's the one I'm most intrigued about in this class.

Seriously? NN didn't talk **** about your program he stated fact, and even stated a humbling fact about our program, and here you come with your Pro-ECU spin and piling on. Please, derail the thread further.

(07-02-2013 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 07:53 PM)Niner National Wrote:  ECU lost 3 of their best 4 players.

We still will have one of the best inside outside combo's in this league with Richmond and Armstrong. Richmond is one of the best 3 point shooters in the nation and has already shown he can averaged 17+ppg when he gots close to 30 minutes even on a team that was loaded with scorers like Kemp and Paul last year. Armstrong was one of the most productive bigs in CUSA last year when he was on the court averaged 11 and 6 on 56% in 24 minutes a game in conference play. We got enough around them with guys like Straughn, Guilmette, and PRC to still be a player next year.

Quote:Charlotte had a couple solid players transfer

Charlotte has 3 players over 6-4. That's just a disaster waiting to happen.

(07-01-2013 08:15 PM)gs_pirate Wrote:  Thought he was a UVA commit ? Im glad we got the one we got. 6'7 guys with high motors are hard to come by. With the premature departure of Robert Sampson he will get his chances to play for sure.

One of our assistants was on the radio this week and said Caleb White was now 6-8. Enough video of him on youtube that if he is 6-8 and still has the same ball handling skills he's the one I'm most intrigued about in this class.

Relax, I wasn't shitting on your program. Just stating that you lost a lot. You did. Maybe you have guys ready to fill in. Richmond and Armstrong are solid, but I'm not as sold on the other guys.

Guilemtte isn't very good from what I saw last year. I watched several of your games and the only games he looked good in were against DII's. I'm sure he'll be better, but you generally don't go from bad to good in a single year.

ECU will probably finish in the top half of the conference, but chances at an NCAA tournament appearance are really low.

I know nothing about White, but I figured Stith would be the one you were the most intrigued with.


Also, I agree that our thing post is a disaster waiting to happen. One rolled ankle from Clayton or Thorne and we're down to 2 post players with one being a freshman. To say I'm worried about this season would be an understatement. If we had kept Nickerson and Clark, I would be optimistic about winning the conference, but now I just hope we finish in the top half.

(07-02-2013 08:15 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 05:13 PM)Freshy Wrote:  If you remove Memphis, the numbers become:

bu, bu, bu, butt you can't remove Memphis since they are removed from CUSA too. A WKU fan made the graph, I wasn't going to sit there and add up 8 more teams or whatever if I didn't have too. If you are that paraniod I can link it for you. I just simply forgot Tulsa.

So anyway using your numbers which are basically the same, 139 out vs 170 in is a big difference when you are talking more than half the conference or in CUSA's case even more teams coming in than leaving and all at a lower clip. The conference did not get better and most of the new teams you are counting on the most are inconsistent and all over the place even in a short 3 year time frame.

He simply showed how those stats, in a vacuum are skewed so heavily by one team. The teams coming into the league didn't have a top 50 or even 20 RPI team to constantly prop them up. It was a simple, factual statement.

The sun rises in the east and SJ screws up another thread.

(07-02-2013 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Charlotte has 3 players over 6-4. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. There really isn't much else to say beyond that unless you get some other big between now and august.

Height is overrated if you have guys that play with intensity and physicality. Our tallest guy last year was Daveon Boardingham 6'7. Mills was 6'5, Davis was 6'5, Craig was 6'5 (who got hurt and didn't play the last 9 games, Carey was 6'7.....we were undersized against almost every team we played....but we won 27 games....and 25 the year before with just about the same roster.

(07-02-2013 09:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Charlotte has 3 players over 6-4. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. There really isn't much else to say beyond that unless you get some other big between now and august.

Height is overrated if you have guys that play with intensity and physicality. Our tallest guy last year was Daveon Boardingham 6'7. Mills was 6'5, Davis was 6'5, Craig was 6'5 (who got hurt and didn't play the last 9 games, Carey was 6'7.....we were undersized against almost every team we played....but we won 27 games....and 25 the year before with just about the same roster.

lack of depth is also a problem for us in the post though. If we had two post guys go down to injury, we'd literally have a 6'4 guard playing in the post and the one remaining post guy would have to play the entire game. It would be a disaster.

(07-01-2013 09:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  A WKU fan made this nice little graphic of the average RPI's the last 3 years so it was easy to pull the new CUSA teams.

Average of the last 3 years

Exiting teams
22 Memphis
77 UCF
114 ECU
205 SMU
214 Houston
219 Tulane

New Teams
98 MTSU
147 ODU
153 La Tech
153 UNCC
178 WKU
179 FAU
193 UNT
215 FIU
218 USTA

Leaving teams....141 Average
Incoming teams..170 Average (that's with a third more teams, which impact new CUSA more)

I love how he uses Charlotte's worst 3 year stretch since the early to mid 80s (literally) and ECU's best probably ever. Typical SJ.

(07-02-2013 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 07:53 PM)Niner National Wrote:  ECU lost 3 of their best 4 players.

We still will have one of the best inside outside combo's in this league with Richmond and Armstrong. Richmond is one of the best 3 point shooters in the nation and has already shown he can averaged 17+ppg when he gots close to 30 minutes even on a team that was loaded with scorers like Kemp and Paul last year. Armstrong was one of the most productive bigs in CUSA last year when he was on the court averaged 11 and 6 on 56% in 24 minutes a game in conference play. We got enough around them with guys like Straughn, Guilmette, and PRC to still be a player next year.

Quote:Charlotte had a couple solid players transfer

Charlotte has 3 players over 6-4. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. There really isn't much else to say beyond that unless you get some other big between now and august.

(07-01-2013 08:15 PM)gs_pirate Wrote:  Thought he was a UVA commit ? Im glad we got the one we got. 6'7 guys with high motors are hard to come by. With the premature departure of Robert Sampson he will get his chances to play for sure.

One of our assistants was on the radio this week and said Caleb White was now 6-8. Enough video of him on youtube that if he is 6-8 and still retained the same ball handling skills he's the one I'm most intrigued about in this class.

And yet, I bet we'll still kick that crap about of ECU.

(07-02-2013 09:12 AM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  Seriously? NN didn't talk **** about your program he stated fact, and even stated a humbling fact about our program, and here you come with your Pro-ECU spin and piling on. Please, derail the thread further.

Seriously? You might want to read again. All I have stated were the facts. If you want to start a thread saying the conference will be "so much better" that's a shot at the teams leaving and perhaps you should provide some facts to back it up.

If you want to raise questions about our team, not my problem when I point out things like you have no depth in the post, no big wing defender, and the most you have improved your worst 3 point shooting team in the nation is a walk on from Tulane. These are just facts. Just like the fact you can't take Memphis out of the equation to make whatever look whatever. If you put all the teams together 4 of the 5 top ones the last 3 years would be teams that are leaving.

(07-02-2013 09:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  Height is overrated if you have guys that play with intensity and physicality. Our tallest guy last year was Daveon Boardingham 6'7. Mills was 6'5, Davis was 6'5, Craig was 6'5 (who got hurt and didn't play the last 9 games, Carey was 6'7.....we were undersized against almost every team we played....but we won 27 games....and 25 the year before with just about the same roster.

Difference is those guys were 6-6 and built like tanks and actually like to play in the post and bang. That's where they had always played. In UNCC's case they have some of the 6-3 190 guardest guards around that as it stands right now will likely have to play some PF if even one of their big guys fouls out. Even NN agreed it would be a disaster if these young bigs get hurt or can't say out of foul trouble.

Anytime we can dump ecu,tulane,and smu basketball the leagues gets better. excited to play wku,odu, and charlotte again.

These last three years were definitely WKU"s worst stretch of basketball in a long time....We expect to be better in upcoming regular season and should have one of our best teams first season in CUSA...We will definitely be experienced so we will see....I too look forward to seeing ODU, Char., and UAB again....

(07-02-2013 11:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 09:12 AM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  Seriously? NN didn't talk **** about your program he stated fact, and even stated a humbling fact about our program, and here you come with your Pro-ECU spin and piling on. Please, derail the thread further.

Seriously? You might want to read again. All I have stated were the facts. If you want to start a thread saying the conference will be "so much better" that's a shot at the teams leaving and perhaps you should provide some facts to back it up.

If you want to raise questions about our team, not my problem when I point out things like you have no depth in the post, no big wing defender, and the most you have improved your worst 3 point shooting team in the nation is a walk on from Tulane. These are just facts. Just like the fact you can't take Memphis out of the equation to make whatever look whatever. If you put all the teams together 4 of the 5 top ones the last 3 years would be teams that are leaving.

(07-02-2013 09:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  Height is overrated if you have guys that play with intensity and physicality. Our tallest guy last year was Daveon Boardingham 6'7. Mills was 6'5, Davis was 6'5, Craig was 6'5 (who got hurt and didn't play the last 9 games, Carey was 6'7.....we were undersized against almost every team we played....but we won 27 games....and 25 the year before with just about the same roster.

Difference is those guys were 6-6 and built like tanks and actually like to play in the post and bang. That's where they had always played. In UNCC's case they have some of the 6-3 190 guardest guards around that as it stands right now will likely have to play some PF if even one of their big guys fouls out. Even NN agreed it would be a disaster if these young bigs get hurt or can't say out of foul trouble.

Nobody is arguing that Memphis basketball isn't a huge loss. Not one, single person. The argument with Memphis is that they skew the date.(something that you are unfamiliar with/refuse to acknowledge based on your stance on postseason RPI data) The same thing would happen if you had 5 teams between RPI 50-100 and a 6th at RPI 300. It's what we call an outlier.

People are trying to look on the bright side of things, and the basketball league definitely isn't crumbling to the ground. The Memphis loss stings, but basically when all else is looked at, it's not as bad as it appears from the outside. I love the additions of ODU, MTSU, Charlotte and WKU for basketball. I love the loss of Tulane and SMU. Unfortunately, we've added comparable teams.

When all is said and done, everybody would rather be playing Memphis, Cincy, UConn and Temple instead of ODU, Charlotte, WKU, and MTSU. For the time being, the conference has more top tier basketball programs. But that doesn't mean what C-USA has is crap either. I'm happy with what C-USA has done with the options that were available. The AAC is the better basketball conference right now because of those 4 teams, but it isn't light years ahead as you'd like us all to believe. The AAC is probably a 2-4 bid league most years, and C-USA is likely 1-3.

(07-02-2013 09:12 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Relax, I wasn't shitting on your program. Just stating that you lost a lot. You did.

I didn't think you were, nor am I mad or disagree. All I did was point out your substantial holes as well like you did with us.

Quote:Guilemtte isn't very good from what I saw last year. I watched several of your games and the only games he looked good in were against DII's. I'm sure he'll be better, but you generally don't go from bad to good in a single year.

#1 he had a hip flexer injury he dealt with the last half of the year and couldn't even play or play much late in the year.

#2 Context. As 6-10/ 240 pound 18 year old true freshman go he was about as much as a home run as you get at this level and I can just about guarantee if he transferred tomorrow there would be many BCS schools calling for his services.

I know he looked better than the freshman tub of lard UNC had guarding him, he had 10 points on 4-8 shooting 3 rebounds and 3 assist vs the best team we played so there's you an example of a solid game against a top 25 team. He's shown enough flashes and my question would be what 6-10+ true freshman in CUSA had a better season? Couldn't have been many because there just aren't many 6-10, 240lb prospects at this level at all that can actually play and be productive at all, much less freshman. He's far from a finished product but as far as a prospect, he's one of the best young big ones in CUSA.

Quote:I know nothing about White, but I figured Stith would be the one you were the most intrigued with.

There are highlights from about every game he played last year on you tube if you go to his schools channel. He's smooth and handles the ball exceptionally well for a guy that's 6-7. I've been hearing most about him since he got in school. Stith's still got the easier path to Sampson's minutes though but I think White might have more upside.

(07-02-2013 11:21 AM)919R Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 09:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  A WKU fan made this nice little graphic of the average RPI's the last 3 years so it was easy to pull the new CUSA teams.

Average of the last 3 years

Exiting teams
22 Memphis
77 UCF
114 ECU
205 SMU
214 Houston
219 Tulane

New Teams
98 MTSU
147 ODU
153 La Tech
153 UNCC
178 WKU
179 FAU
193 UNT
215 FIU
218 USTA

Leaving teams....141 Average
Incoming teams..170 Average (that's with a third more teams, which impact new CUSA more)

I love how he uses Charlotte's worst 3 year stretch since the early to mid 80s (literally) and ECU's best probably ever. Typical SJ.

Since much of the discussion is "without Memphis, it's a wash" let's look at performance coming in:

UCF, ECU, SMU, Tulane, & Houston: 38 (half from Houston) tourney appearances. 7.6/team. Without Houston (who has made 1 Tourney in the last 21 years) then UCF, ECU, SMU, & Tulane have 19 appearances for 4.75/team (.495 winning %- with ECU at the bottom at 1004-1036).

MTSU, ODU, La Tech, Charlotte, WKU, FAU, UNT, FIU, & UTSA: 66 tourney appearances. 7.3/team. Without WKU (who has the most of the new group) then MTSU, ODU, La Tech, Charlotte, FAU, UNT, FIU, & UTSA have 43 tourney appearances for 5.4/team (.518 winning % with FAU and FIU at the bottom at 617-992).

I'd say it's fairly even, either way you slice it. Is the league more solid in the middle, now? Probably. Is it missing a Memphis-type heavyweight at the top to be an immediate standard-bearer in college basketball? Yes.

(07-02-2013 12:02 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 11:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 09:12 AM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  Seriously? NN didn't talk **** about your program he stated fact, and even stated a humbling fact about our program, and here you come with your Pro-ECU spin and piling on. Please, derail the thread further.

Seriously? You might want to read again. All I have stated were the facts. If you want to start a thread saying the conference will be "so much better" that's a shot at the teams leaving and perhaps you should provide some facts to back it up.

If you want to raise questions about our team, not my problem when I point out things like you have no depth in the post, no big wing defender, and the most you have improved your worst 3 point shooting team in the nation is a walk on from Tulane. These are just facts. Just like the fact you can't take Memphis out of the equation to make whatever look whatever. If you put all the teams together 4 of the 5 top ones the last 3 years would be teams that are leaving.

(07-02-2013 09:30 AM)TTT Wrote:  Height is overrated if you have guys that play with intensity and physicality. Our tallest guy last year was Daveon Boardingham 6'7. Mills was 6'5, Davis was 6'5, Craig was 6'5 (who got hurt and didn't play the last 9 games, Carey was 6'7.....we were undersized against almost every team we played....but we won 27 games....and 25 the year before with just about the same roster.

Difference is those guys were 6-6 and built like tanks and actually like to play in the post and bang. That's where they had always played. In UNCC's case they have some of the 6-3 190 guardest guards around that as it stands right now will likely have to play some PF if even one of their big guys fouls out. Even NN agreed it would be a disaster if these young bigs get hurt or can't say out of foul trouble.

Nobody is arguing that Memphis basketball isn't a huge loss. Not one, single person. The argument with Memphis is that they skew the date.(something that you are unfamiliar with/refuse to acknowledge based on your stance on postseason RPI data) The same thing would happen if you had 5 teams between RPI 50-100 and a 6th at RPI 300. It's what we call an outlier.

People are trying to look on the bright side of things, and the basketball league definitely isn't crumbling to the ground. The Memphis loss stings, but basically when all else is looked at, it's not as bad as it appears from the outside. I love the additions of ODU, MTSU, Charlotte and WKU for basketball. I love the loss of Tulane and SMU. Unfortunately, we've added comparable teams.

When all is said and done, everybody would rather be playing Memphis, Cincy, UConn and Temple instead of ODU, Charlotte, WKU, and MTSU. For the time being, the conference has more top tier basketball programs. But that doesn't mean what C-USA has is crap either. I'm happy with what C-USA has done with the options that were available. The AAC is the better basketball conference right now because of those 4 teams, but it isn't light years ahead as you'd like us all to believe. The AAC is probably a 2-4 bid league most years, and C-USA is likely 1-3.

This is essentially what I was trumpeting. Next time I'll break it down into 3 paragraphs for you SJ.

(07-02-2013 09:25 AM)wh49er Wrote:  The sun rises in the east and SJ screws up another thread.

That's where you err. Do as I do and just don't read what he posts. You KNOW it'll be slanted towards the mighty Easy U. Pirates and the ACK. Sheesh, use what God gave you.

(07-02-2013 12:12 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  Since much of the discussion is "without Memphis, it's a wash" let's look at performance coming in:

Again, you can't take them out of the equation no matter how much you want to, to skew up whatever it is you are trying to skew up.

Quote:UCF, ECU, SMU, Tulane, & Houston: 38 (half from Houston) tourney appearances. 7.6/team. Without Houston (who has made 1 Tourney in the last 21 years) then UCF, ECU, SMU, & Tulane have 19 appearances for 4.75/team (.495 winning %- with ECU at the bottom at 1004-1036).

MTSU, ODU, La Tech, Charlotte, WKU, FAU, UNT, FIU, & UTSA: 66 tourney appearances. 7.3/team. Without WKU (who has the most of the new group) then MTSU, ODU, La Tech, Charlotte, FAU, UNT, FIU, & UTSA have 43 tourney appearances for 5.4/team (.518 winning % with FAU and FIU at the bottom at 617-992).

Yet none of this past 3 to 5 years ago even matters today. A lot of that crap was from decades ago with no shot clock or even 3 point line. How anyone things it affects anything now is beyond me. Just look at Houston, who you made SURE to point out how they had fallen off the last 21 years. Conference situations change obviously change, coaches and players leave. Do you don't see legit national title contender or Phi Slamma Jama there anymore just like UNCC doesn't have old CUSA to recruit too, or those other new CUSA schools had mulitiple one bid conference for the most part to run up the winning percentage or autobids. Teams like Houston and SMU were in a power conference for much of that.

You also left out Tulsa along with Memphis, who has a very rich tradition if you want to try to play that game. They went to an Elite 8 in the early 2000. You should post sweet 16's and all that too I see you seemed to have left out for the schools and I think I know why, but the reality is none of that ancient crap matters today. Situations change. Ask Houston. Ask Bulter after 98 years and one NCAA. Hell the game changes.