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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 11:57 AM)TARDledo Wrote: (06-30-2013 11:38 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: (06-30-2013 10:24 AM)TARDledo Wrote: (not a large and growing one as alluded in the article, the metro area is down to #43 from #42 in the latest DMA rankings and may have fallen from an earlier peak
Quote:"We tried to be very methodical and careful in informing ourselves," Harnage said. "It wasn't until about halfway through the process that Conference USA began to make sense to me."
...it seems that JMU Admin has "seen the light" and understands that it "makes sense" to make the move to FBS.
...43 43 Norfolk-Portsmth-Newpt Nws 716,050 718,750 INCREASE 2,200 In the top 43 markets only 6 had increases 37 markets lost numbers!
45 44 +1 Oklahoma City 704,670 712,630
PS ... The DMA Numbers are in the TV Homes, not the population.
http://www.frandocs.com/DMA-map.htm
I know DMA are TV numbers.
Is there a reason why you used OLD numbers?
CURRENT Numbers
Numbers for 2011-12 on left Numbers for 2012-13 on right
43 44 Norfolk-Portsmth-Newpt Nws 718,750 709,730 DECREASE 9,020
WHY ARE YOU YELLING!
Where did you get this from. Only had the numbers for the above.
I am old I have to yell to be heard and I am often yelled at... so I can hear! LOL Sorry
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06-30-2013 12:08 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
No worries. Congrats to ODU on the move to FBS.
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06-30-2013 12:10 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 05:13 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote: Here is the bottom line as stated in the article:
Whatever the school decided would potentially affect 26,000 students, 120,000 alumni, 4,500 employees and tens of thousands of residents of Hampton Roads. Yet, the decision ultimately would fall on the shoulders of just one man: ODU President John Broderick.
We were in transition between Rose and Alger at the time. The timing just wasn't right for JMU.
And, I had a hidden camera and tape recorder at that meeting in Fredericksburg. I am currently shopping it around for the highest bidder!
We are better than that EXCUSE (in bold). I was not taught to make excuses when I was at JMU COB nor do I accept lame excuses as an alum of JMU on the job....it's simple, the admin and the BOV were and continue to UNPREPARED to lead JMU's athletic dept.
Next, no accountability with a side of bull **** that will sound something like this; "we are in a good postion for the future." Can't be argued, it's true, having an fbs stadium is infrastructure for the future but no vision of that future and no stated goals including measurable dates makes it utter bull ****, what I expect from the athletic side of JMU's admin at this point...
If this comes to pass in the coming weeks, it's a fair question, if they can't manage conference realignment well, what else are they not doing well?
I'll save everybody a rebuttle. Haze, you suck, you're the worst poster ever and say the same things over and over, we get it, let's just give them the benefit of the doubt always and forever.
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06-30-2013 12:28 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
What I think is ironic is how the Prez at ODU seemed to have all of the power and only sought advise from his BOV. He seemed to delegate a lot of authority to Selig. I never heard mention of any "Carr." Broderick took the responsibility very serious, and, as should be, lost a lot of sleep during the process.
Why do I get the feeling that our leadership team isn't losing any sleep? They all just seem very relaxed or they can play a mean game of poker. I sure hope its the later. I cannot see Alger sweating out a big decision like this, but cannot wait to say, "I was way off base," and have the desire to lift and carry him to the center of the field.
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06-30-2013 12:31 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 11:10 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: (06-30-2013 11:08 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: We now know CUSA, MAC and SBC have all had discussions with JMU.
"We talked about some teams in Virginia, but at the end of the day, we're pretty stable as a conference."- Kent State President, Cleveland.com
So 0% chance that they talked to Liberty, who has been very vocal about moving up and is also conveniently in Virginia.
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06-30-2013 12:37 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
One of the most interesting things for me in the article was that there was really only one conference that shared mutual interest with ODU. The MAC and A-10 looked at ODU but turned them down. Broderick rang up the Big East and ACC, but they never really had a shot at that. Can't blame him for trying though. I'm sure they could have gone to the Sun Belt, but who really wants that unless you can't get in anywhere else?
This was a great article and shows the thought that goes into a major decision like this. I'd love to one day read an article like this about JMU. I'm crossing my fingers. The new fiscal year starts tomorrow. It's time for us to make our move.
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06-30-2013 12:47 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
Some of these posts seem strange to me but I've yet to see where JMU got any chance to make a decision. Maybe a decision to pursue FBS but I really have not seen one thing that says conference X put a document in front of our admin and they didn't sign it. Idk.....seems like some people are under the impression that all of these conferences have offered JMU admission and from the outside, it doesn't seem that any of them have. Obviously I'm uninformed and obviously there are talks I don't know of but I just haven't seen ANYTHING that says "We wanted JMU, but they declined". ODU meeting with JMU and UD is just a freaking meeting.
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 01:01 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote: Some of these posts seem strange to me but I've yet to see where JMU got any chance to make a decision. Maybe a decision to pursue FBS but I really have not seen one thing that says conference X put a document in front of our admin and they didn't sign it. Idk.....seems like some people are under the impression that all of these conferences have offered JMU admission and from the outside, it doesn't seem that any of them have. Obviously I'm uninformed and obviously there are talks I don't know of but I just haven't seen ANYTHING that says "We wanted JMU, but they declined". ODU meeting with JMU and UD is just a freaking meeting.
DoubleD, I'm on the same page with you, but the article clearly shows you must make a few phone calls to get the ball rolling and to have a chance of getting some proposals on your desk.
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06-30-2013 01:04 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
FWIW: a major member of the news media down here in the 757 told me "ODU is holding off scheduling any more non-conference football games to see what JMU does. That tells me ODU believes JMU is seriously contemplating moving up." He cited the change in presidents as the main reason JMU did not make the move with ODU. To hear that from this guy who is a reputable member of the media was encouraging. I didn't press for details, and we know schedules are planned out years in advance. So what this means, if anything, I don't know.
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 01:09 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote: FWIW: a major member of the news media down here in the 757 told me "ODU is holding off scheduling any more non-conference football games to see what JMU does. That tells me ODU believes JMU is seriously contemplating moving up." He cited the change in presidents as the main reason JMU did not make the move with ODU. To hear that from this guy who is a reputable member of the media was encouraging. I didn't press for details, and we know schedules are planned out years in advance. So what this means, if anything, I don't know.
Why not?
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 01:12 PM)TARDledo Wrote: (06-30-2013 01:09 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote: FWIW: a major member of the news media down here in the 757 told me "ODU is holding off scheduling any more non-conference football games to see what JMU does. That tells me ODU believes JMU is seriously contemplating moving up." He cited the change in presidents as the main reason JMU did not make the move with ODU. To hear that from this guy who is a reputable member of the media was encouraging. I didn't press for details, and we know schedules are planned out years in advance. So what this means, if anything, I don't know.
Why not?
Mostly because Sunday is a major work day for me (pastor), and I have not had a chance to follow up. Plus, I don't want to wear out my welcome with this person with a bunch of questions.
(This post was last modified: 06-30-2013 01:20 PM by jmutoml757.)
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
Don't worry, there's a ton of information in the public domain.
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
JMU and Delaware missed a potential opportunity with ODU to the MAC? Both schools are dumber than I thought.
(This post was last modified: 06-30-2013 02:31 PM by DBJMU2006.)
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
More from Hampton Roads:
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/06/cusa-no-...ealignment
Funny how CUSA still trumpets "TV markets" when it has proven to not mean a thing.
Note that Louisiana Tech likes to claim the Shreveport DMA but they are NOT officially part of that DMA. Ruston, LA is part of the #137 Monroe-El Dorado DMA. Also, Tulsa, Tulane, and East Carolina will be leaving but not noted on the graphic but Western Kentucky is included with an asterisk.
(This post was last modified: 06-30-2013 01:53 PM by TARDledo.)
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 01:39 PM)DBJMU2006 Wrote: JMU and Delaware missed a potential opportunity with ODU to the MAC? Both schools are dumber than I though.
Agreed, as that seems like the dream scenario Bourne presented with his 18-24 month timeline. That would have put us in a conference with Miami (OH), ODU, Ohio, and possibly UD,. The only major component missing would have been Appy. If it ever is confirmed we passed on that, I'd hope we reward that type of incompetence in kind.
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 01:49 PM)TARDledo Wrote: More from Hampton Roads:
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/06/cusa-no-...ealignment
Funny how CUSA still trumpets "TV markets" when it has proven to not mean a thing.
Note that Louisiana Tech likes to claim the Shreveport DMA but they are NOT officially part of that DMA. Ruston, LA is part of the #137 Monroe-El Dorado DMA. Also, Tulsa, Tulane, and East Carolina will be leaving but not noted on the graphic but Western Kentucky is included with an asterisk.
The header on that graphic lists the TV markets for current and future CUSA members. East Carolina, Tulane and Tulsa are still members. And the asterisk for Western Kentucky isn't because of being a future member (since the header already included future members), but because of their proximity to the Nashville DMA, to give context to their low TV market ranking.
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 01:58 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: The header on that graphic lists the TV markets for current and future CUSA members. East Carolina, Tulane and Tulsa are still members. And the asterisk for Western Kentucky isn't because of being a future member (since the header already included future members), but because of their proximity to the Nashville DMA, to give context to their low TV market ranking.
I missed that, but that only makes it funnier.
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06-30-2013 02:07 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 02:07 PM)TARDledo Wrote: (06-30-2013 01:58 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: The header on that graphic lists the TV markets for current and future CUSA members. East Carolina, Tulane and Tulsa are still members. And the asterisk for Western Kentucky isn't because of being a future member (since the header already included future members), but because of their proximity to the Nashville DMA, to give context to their low TV market ranking.
I missed that, but that only makes it funnier.
I don't know why they added that, but perhaps to give some context as to where it is? For the longest time, I thought Western Kentucky was in Paducah or something because, y'know, WESTERN Kentucky. I wouldn't have guessed "close to Nashville" offhand. And I'm guessing a lot of casual fans who don't remember the old Sun Belt days might not either.
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06-30-2013 02:12 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 01:09 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote: FWIW: a major member of the news media down here in the 757 told me "ODU is holding off scheduling any more non-conference football games to see what JMU does. That tells me ODU believes JMU is seriously contemplating moving up." He cited the change in presidents as the main reason JMU did not make the move with ODU. To hear that from this guy who is a reputable member of the media was encouraging. I didn't press for details, and we know schedules are planned out years in advance. So what this means, if anything, I don't know.
Key word: non-conference. So not C-USA.
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06-30-2013 02:24 PM |
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RE: How ODU moved to C-USA and JMU didn't
(06-30-2013 07:58 AM)JMUETC Wrote: A few thoughts from the article...
1) seems JMU is just re-active, not at all pro-active in almost everything they do.
2) I get the feeling people don't seek out Bourne to "chat" in hotel lobbies. Not that they ignore him, I am sure he is personable, I just feel like other AD's don't go out of their way to consult him. I wonder how much home playoff blunders harm his reputation within the conference. As much as we discussed it, I am sure it was water cooler talk among other AD's.
3) Is Lin Rose the new Whitey Bulger? If he was against the move, which he publicly stated, why does it not come up in an article like this? The article could have just as likely read "JMU could not commit as their president at the time was against any type of move". How does the writer know this? Because Bourne meets the Selig in the hotel lobby and tells him that.
4) Check out the first comment. Some ODU guy thinks the ODU President is not pro-active enough and takes too long to make decisions. WOW.
#2 - telling Jeff Bourne is the same thing as telling Tom Yeager. If a CAA AD is not yet ready to tell the conference, the AD asks Bourne to go buy a round of hot dogs and walk around the concourse at least twice.
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