(07-03-2013 08:40 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 08:31 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 08:28 PM)chatcat Wrote:  Votto, Phillips, Bruce, whiff, whiff, whiff, pathetic!

You also saw why Bochy has World Series rings. He doesn't care if Zito has only given up 1 run. He knew the guy had lost it. Didn't even give old Barry a chance at a win.

Bochy is on a whole different level from Dusty.

Yeah. I'd take Bochy over Baker every day of the week.

(07-04-2013 12:08 AM)ctipton Wrote:  

Giants 1-8 on road trip after 11-inning defeat
Henry Schulman
Published 9:10 pm, Wednesday, July 3, 2013

Cincinnati -- As the Giants are learning, the search for rock bottom can be elusive. Homer Bailey's no-hitter was not their final indignity Tuesday night. As they were licking their wounds, they fell into last place in the National League West when the Dodgers won.

The Giants' quest to find the floor of despair must continue after they lost again Wednesday night, a 3-2, 11-inning defeat that in some ways was more irritating than the no-hitter because they worked so many innings and wasted so many opportunities.

Shin-Soo Choo finally ended it with a two-out single in the 11th against Javier Lopez.

With their ninth loss in 10 games and 14th in 18, the Giants fell to 1-8 since they left home, ensuring at least a tie for the worst 10-game trip in franchise history.

After falling in the first three games of the series, the Giants have to face Cincinnati's hottest pitcher, Mike Leake, whose 1.31 ERA over the past nine starts does not make this a good matchup for San Francisco's starving offense.

The Giants managed five hits in 11 innings and got their two runs on a Tony Abreu homer off Tony Cingrani in the fifth inning. Brandon Belt homered for their only other run of the series Monday. The last Giant to drive in a run without a homer was Guillermo Quiroz in Sunday's win at Colorado.

Abreu's homer gave the Giants a 2-1 lead, but .181-hitting Chris Heisey tied it in the sixth with a homer off George Kontos.

With the game knotted 2-2 in the eighth, Reds reliever Alfredo Simon practically begged the Giants to score when he loaded the base with two outs on a third-strike wild pitch to Pablo Sandoval, walking Brandon Belt and hitting pinch-hitter Hector Sanchez in the hip with an 0-2 pitch.

Dusty Baker brought in left-hander Manny Parra to face Brandon Crawford, who was hitless in 21 at-bats. Bruce Bochy countered with Joaquin Arias in his return from a hamstring injury, and Parra won by getting Arias to fly out.

Buster Posey did his best, drilling a 100-mph Aroldis Chapman to deep center in the ninth, but not deep enough.

Sandy Rosario pitched out of a man-on-second, no-out jam in the ninth to send the game into extra innings.

Lopez, pitching his second inning, walked Todd Frazier on four pitches to start the 11th. After Heisey sacrificed, Devin Mesoraco was walked intentionally. Pinch-hitter Ryan Hanigan flied out before Choo lined the winning single to right.

Bochy had nothing to say to his batters after Bailey's no-hitter.

"We've talked, we've met. That's done," Bochy said. "This is the time you hope they say 'enough is enough' and come out of this."

Abreu, who did not join this carousel of failure until June 8, gave the Giants the big jolt they needed with his homer against Cingrani, who had walked a badly slumping Gregor Blanco with two outs.

Abreu, who started so Marco Scutaro could rest his sore back, hit the high fastball 442 feet into the upper deck in left field and gave the Giants a 2-1 lead, their first of the series. The homer was Abreu's fifth in 481 big-league at-bats.

The lead was in danger of not surviving the inning after the Reds put runners on the corners with nobody out in the bottom half. Bochy was not about to let it slip away and began managing as if this were the playoffs.

He immediately removed Barry Zito for Jose Mijares, who began an exceptional inning for the bullpen. The left-hander struck out Joey Votto, his only hitter, before Kontos relieved him and struck out Brandon Phillips and Jay Bruce to strand the runners and protect the lead.

But Kontos hung a slider to Heisey in the sixth and it landed in the upper deck.

The Giants failed for the 14th consecutive game to score in the first inning despite putting two runner aboard, starting with a bloop double by Abreu for the team's first hit in 11 innings.

For the eighth time in nine games on the trip, the Giants allowed the first run when Zito hit Bruce to start the second inning, Todd Frazier singled and Heisey hit a sacrifice fly.

The Giants' futility reached the stage of ridiculousness in the third inning when Phillips purposely let a Hunter Pence popup fall after the infield fly rule was called, then got a double play when he threw out Buster Posey trying to advance from first base.

Henry Schulman is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. E-mail: hschulman@sfchronicle.com Twitter: @hankschulman

http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Gia...646396.php

Reds beating up another bad team.

Reds now tied for 5th best record in baseball, half game back of Atlanta for a tie for the 4th best record in baseball. I've been a little disappointed in some Reds fans inability to appreciate what a good team they get to watch for the second straight season. I think part of it is because they are playing in a division with two teams also having great seasons, but it still makes very little sense to me.

Enjoy the ride. Reds won't win them all, but this is a damn good baseball team.

(07-04-2013 08:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Reds now tied for 5th best record in baseball, half game back of Atlanta for a tie for the 4th best record in baseball. I've been a little disappointed in some Reds fans inability to appreciate what a good team they get to watch for the second straight season. I think part of it is because they are playing in a division with two teams also having great seasons, but it still makes very little sense to me.

Enjoy the ride. Reds won't win them all, but this is a damn good baseball team.

I agree with all of your post except the bolded part about primary cause. I've come to the conclusion that some people are only happy when they are miserable or complaining while others just get off on being, pardon my french, douchebags. One doesn't have to look far to find examples of both.

(07-04-2013 08:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Reds now tied for 5th best record in baseball, half game back of Atlanta for a tie for the 4th best record in baseball. I've been a little disappointed in some Reds fans inability to appreciate what a good team they get to watch for the second straight season. I think part of it is because they are playing in a division with two teams also having great seasons, but it still makes very little sense to me.

Enjoy the ride. Reds won't win them all, but this is a damn good baseball team.

Let's go over this again:

Against teams .500 or better: 15-26
Against teams worse than .500: 34-10

Reds do not have a winning record against any team .500 or better.
Arizona, 1-2
Atlanta, 1-2
Cleveland, 2-2
Oakland, 0-2
Pittsburgh, 4-6
St. Louis, 3-6
Texas, 1-2
Washington, 3-4

Who are the Reds beating up on?
Cubs, 10-3
Marlins, 6-1
Brewers, 5-1
Mets, 3-0
Phillies, 4-2
Giants, 3-0
and still 1-2 against the Rockies
and 2-1 against the LA Angels.

Rockies were above .500 when Reds played them, then Tulo got hurt. Tulo ate us up that series.
Reds got the bad version of the LA Angels. Angels still below .500, but have currently won 7 of their last 8.
Reds probably wish they'd played the Dodgers because they're heating up now, going 10-1 in their last 11 games.

Reds will get everyone feeling good again the next 7 games (Seattle, Milwaukee), then go to Atlanta just before the AS Break. Then they get Pittsburgh at GABP right after, then head to the West Coast for a 10 game trip right before the trade deadline.

(07-04-2013 10:47 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 08:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  ...Reds now tied for 5th best record in baseball, half game back of Atlanta for a tie for the 4th best record in baseball....

...Let's go over this again:

Against teams .500 or better: 15-26
Against teams worse than .500: 34-10

Reds do not have a winning record against any team .500 or better....

I'm still missing the point of why this is such an issue unless for some reason you believe those stats have a high correlation to playoff performance (in which case I'd like to see the data)? Reds win more against teams with bad records and less against teams with good records - shocking! One doesn't have to be a mathematical genius to know that's how it usually works for most teams.

If the current breakdown is such a problem, what's the proper breakdown for the same record and why? Would it be better if the Reds were 34-10 against teams .500 or better and 15-26 against teams worse than .500? What is the acceptable/preferred breakdown for a 49-36 record with the current schedule that negates this as an issue? I genuinely would like to hear what their record should be in the 44 games against teams worse than .500 and the 41 games against .500 or better (totalling 49-36) to make them "good" or whatever the point is?

I don't get the obsession some fans seem to have with this. The wins all count the same to give the Reds the "5th best record in baseball" at 49-36 and that's the primary factor they can control in making the playoffs. From there, a lot of factors come into play and pretty much anything can happen as we've seen recently.

Reds game postponed due to weather
Posted: Jul 04, 2013 10:07 AM EST Updated: Jul 04, 2013 3:40 PM EST
Posted by FOX19 Digital Media Staff - email

CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19) -

Thursday's game between the Cincinnati Reds and San Francisco Giants at Great American Ball Park has been postponed due to a forecast of steady rain throughout the remainder of the day.

The game has not yet been rescheduled.

"Unfortunately, the breaks in the weather we expected over the next few hours don't appear to be happening for us," said Reds Chief Operating Officer Phil Castellini. "As much as we were hoping to play, we're not hopeful that we can complete a game with the current forecast. We apologize for the delay and cancellation, but we felt it was in the best interest of both teams, because of the rescheduling conflict, to wait as long as we reasonably could."

Fans should keep their tickets. Their tickets are their rain checks for the game that will be rescheduled. Rain checks also can be exchanged at face value for any Monday through Thursday 2013 regular-season home game, excluding August 6 and subject to availability.

Reds officials say if fans ordered tickets online at reds.com or over the phone through Ticketmaster, they can contact Ticketmaster customer service at 1-800-745-3000 to exchange tickets.

The game originally was scheduled to begin at 1:10 p.m. ET.

Follow @Reds on Twitter for more information or visit http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=cin.

http://www.fox19.com/story/22760477/thur...p-game-tba

Reds-Giants postponed
07/04/13 at 3:31pm by C. Trent Rosecrans

Thursday’s Reds-Giants game has been postponed. No make-up date has been announced, but the two teams may not be able to play it until after the regular season. One day has been built in to the playoff schedule for any makeup dates needed.

That was a situation Reds manager Dusty Baker feared coming into the game, as his team had won the last three against the Giants and he had his best pitcher of the last two months, Mike Leake, on the mound.

“Leake is going so well, and you don’t want an extra day off,” Baker said. “But what it messes up is we only have one common off-day [with the Giants].”

The only common off day is Aug. 29, but the Reds are going from St. Louis to Colorado that day, while the Giants are going from Colorado to Arizona. The day off is the only in a long stretch of games for both teams — 33 games in 34 days for both teams.

It’s the seventh rainout in 11 seasons at Great American Ball Park and first since last May.

The rainouts in GABP history are:
June 15, 2003 vs. Philadelphia
May 15, 2008 vs. Florida
April 10, 2009 vs. Pittsburgh
May 2, 2011 vs. Houston
June 21, 2011 vs. New York Yankees
May 1, 2012 vs. Chicago Cubs

The Reds have also had four games shortened by rain in GABP history, including Monday’s 8-1 victory over the Giants.

The four rain-shortened games:
April 22, 2004 vs. Atlanta, 4-3 win, 4.2 innings
June 30, 2005 vs. Houston, 2-2 tie, 7 innings
Sept. 22, 2006 vs. Chicago Cubs, 4-2 win, 5 innings
July 1, 2013 vs. Giants, 8-1 win, 6 innings.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2013/07...postponed/

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Mike Leake’s start pushed back to Friday
07/04/13 at 3:52pm by C. Trent Rosecrans

The Reds will stay on rotation after Thursday’s postponement, as Thursday’s scheduled pitcher, Mike Leake, will face off against former Red Aaron Harang and the Seattle Mariners on Friday.

That will also push the rest of the rotation back — Mat Latos will pitch Saturday against Seattle’s Jeremy Bonderman, Bronson Arroyo on Sunday against Joe Saunders.

Homer Bailey’s first start after his no-hitter will be in Milwaukee, instead of at Great American Ball Park. Tony Cingrani will start on Tuesday against the Brewers.

“They’re doing pretty good, all of them,” Reds manager Baker said. “It won’t hurt them any.”

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2013/07...to-friday/

Do wins against bad teams count for less? Why don't all good teams crush the bad teams like the Reds do?

(07-04-2013 11:16 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 10:47 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 08:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  ...Reds now tied for 5th best record in baseball, half game back of Atlanta for a tie for the 4th best record in baseball....

...Let's go over this again:

Against teams .500 or better: 15-26
Against teams worse than .500: 34-10

Reds do not have a winning record against any team .500 or better....

I'm still missing the point of why this is such an issue unless for some reason you believe those stats have a high correlation to playoff performance (in which case I'd like to see the data)? Reds win more against teams with bad records and less against teams with good records - shocking! One doesn't have to be a mathematical genius to know that's how it usually works for most teams.

If the current breakdown is such a problem, what's the proper breakdown for the same record and why? Would it be better if the Reds were 34-10 against teams .500 or better and 15-26 against teams worse than .500? What is the acceptable/preferred breakdown for a 49-36 record with the current schedule that negates this as an issue? I genuinely would like to hear what their record should be in the 44 games against teams worse than .500 and the 41 games against .500 or better (totalling 49-36) to make them "good" or whatever the point is?

I don't get the obsession some fans seem to have with this. The wins all count the same to give the Reds the "5th best record in baseball" at 49-36 and that's the primary factor they can control in making the playoffs. From there, a lot of factors come into play and pretty much anything can happen as we've seen recently.

It's because you're another one who needs stats to backup everything. The new breed of Sabermetricians, oh boy!

I don't need those stats against good and bad teams to know that the Reds have been feasting on bad teams. The eyes have told me. Without even looking it up, I already knew they hadn't won a series against a good team.

Now could they get hot in October and suddenly start beating good teams..........sure.

But it's perception. I've even heard experts on baseball TV shows cite exactly what I'm saying..........that the Reds haven't beaten anyone. And most fans I know have seen with their own eyes that the Reds aren't beating the good teams...........so it's a concern. Are the Reds good enough to beat the teams they'll see in October or are they feasting on bad teams? That is the question. To be a contender, or not to be a contender, that is the question. Contender or pretender?

Again, maybe they're saving it all for October to put great hitting with great pitching. I'll cheer with everyone else if it happens.

But for right now, Reds hitting fails against the good pitching of the good teams.

Right now the Reds are 7-12 against the 2 teams in front of them. They have to figure out how to beat the Cards and Pitates more often than naught.