(06-28-2013 06:56 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 04:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Bottom line AAC Tv deal is almost double the rest of he gang, and we want Bowls similar to that.

Er, what? The AAC deal is for $20M, maybe $23M. The Mountain West is getting $18M. CUSA is getting $14M, at least until the 2011-26 contract runs out. How is the AAC tv deal "almost double" MWC or CUSA's?

How much are you getting for football? Nada, none, Zero.next please

Compared to the P5, about as much as you are.

We get 20 from ESPN and another 4 from CBS. 2 mil per school. CUSA gets 14 mil divided by 14 or 1mil per school. MWC has the odd deal where boise gets paid 3x what the rest do. I never compared AAC to p5 schools, there is no comparison. Bottom line is we get 2x what cusa does. And when the bowls are done we will do better there as well.

That being said we are still part of the Gang of 5. Just like the SEC and Big are at the top of P5, AAC and MWC is at the top of the gang.

(06-28-2013 06:14 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 03:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 02:41 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The AAC has taken the highest profile teams from the MAC and CUSA already so its natural to expect the bowls to follow the same pattern.

And they didn't take any away from CUSA. I don't recall a CUSA team making a BCS Bowl game lately.

CUSA has never sent a team to BCS game.

In football
7 of the last 8 conf champs are going to AAC
14 of the last 16 division champs are going to AAC
and for BB... Memphis... enough said.

My sources say the P5 is trying to shut out the G5 from lucrative bowls.

You're welcome.

The AAC is trying to keep ahead of the Mtn West, the Mtn West ahead of C-USA, CUSA ahead of the MAC and the MAC ahead of the Sun Belt. Is that any different from the jockeying being done by the Big 10, PAC-12, SEC, Big 12 and ACC all trying to get the best bowls and opponents for their conferences?

Yep is is just fighting for the best you can get, and establishing the pecking order.

Big, Sec
Pac,B12
ACC
AAC,
MWC
Cusa
Mac,Belt

(06-28-2013 02:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  You're right, miko. What the American is doing is trying to solidify itself as the 6th strongest conference in college football. It's called competition.

Tulane, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and Temple are not spending tens of millions of dollars for no reason. They're all trying to ensure that they don't slip any further than they already have.

And the unknown question is can the AAC surpass Boise and the MWC and become the sole 6th best conference in college football or share this position with MWC. Worst case would be the AAC, being ranked 7th as a conference and be put in the group with the MAC, CUSA and the Sub Belt. Only time is going to reveal, how this all shakes out.

There are no "lucrative" bowls to shut them out from. All the bowls left are pretty much junk, the AAC is just trying to get the shiniest of the turds. It's not like working together is going to make some of the better bowls decide to go with a G5 conference. It's not like working together would make the garbage that's left better. There's no long term gains to be made from cooperation.

Agree, it is dog eat dog at this point!

(06-29-2013 07:22 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Yep is is just fighting for the best you can get, and establishing the pecking order.

Big, Sec
Pac,B12
ACC
AAC,
MWC
Cusa
Mac,Belt

CUSA can't lose its best teams, replace them with Sunbelt teams, and still be ranked above the MAC. And the Belt can't lose half its teams, replace them with FCS call ups and WAC dead wood and be on the same level of the MAC either.

time to face reality, the G5 looks more like this-

AAC, MWC, MAC


CUSA
Sun Belt

(06-29-2013 10:11 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 07:22 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Yep is is just fighting for the best you can get, and establishing the pecking order.

Big, Sec
Pac,B12
ACC
AAC,
MWC
Cusa
Mac,Belt

CUSA can't lose its best teams, replace them with Sunbelt teams, and still be ranked above the MAC. And the Belt can't lose half its teams, replace them with FCS call ups and WAC dead wood and be on the same level of the MAC either.

time to face reality, the G5 looks more like this-

AAC, MWC, MAC


CUSA
Sun Belt

As a matter of fact, I think it can.

MWC, AAC, CUSA, MAC, SB.

(06-29-2013 10:11 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 07:22 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Yep is is just fighting for the best you can get, and establishing the pecking order.

Big, Sec
Pac,B12
ACC
AAC,
MWC
Cusa
Mac,Belt

CUSA can't lose its best teams, replace them with Sunbelt teams, and still be ranked above the MAC. And the Belt can't lose half its teams, replace them with FCS call ups and WAC dead wood and be on the same level of the MAC either.

time to face reality, the G5 looks more like this-

AAC, MWC, MAC


CUSA
Sun Belt

I see it more like this, at least until you have a season or two to sort it out on the field.
AAC, MWC
CUSA, MAC
Sunbelt

I am using recent history as my guide. The AAC and MWC both have multiple teams who have beaten P5 schools in recent years and are competitive with them more often than not. The MAC and CUSA both have a team or two that has beaten a P5 school in recent years but are competitive with them less often than not. The Sunbelt regularly struggles against the P5 conferences and is generally not competitive with the P5 conferences. If the Sunbelt beats a P5 conference school it is a huge upset.

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(06-29-2013 11:40 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I see it more like this, at least until you have a season or two to sort it out on the field.
AAC, MWC
CUSA, MAC
Sunbelt

I am using recent history as my guide. The AAC and MWC both have multiple teams who have beaten P5 schools in recent years and are competitive with them more often than not. The MAC and CUSA both have a team or two that has beaten a P5 school in recent years but are competitive with them less often than not. The Sunbelt regularly struggles against the P5 conferences and is generally not competitive with the P5 conferences. If the Sunbelt beats a P5 conference school it is a huge upset.

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Well stated...completely agree...

(06-29-2013 12:19 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:40 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I see it more like this, at least until you have a season or two to sort it out on the field.
AAC, MWC
CUSA, MAC
Sunbelt

I am using recent history as my guide. The AAC and MWC both have multiple teams who have beaten P5 schools in recent years and are competitive with them more often than not. The MAC and CUSA both have a team or two that has beaten a P5 school in recent years but are competitive with them less often than not. The Sunbelt regularly struggles against the P5 conferences and is generally not competitive with the P5 conferences. If the Sunbelt beats a P5 conference school it is a huge upset.

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Well stated...completely agree...

last year the MAC had 8 wins vs AQ schools, the 8 transfers that will be the majority of the AAC- 2.

(06-29-2013 01:10 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 12:19 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:40 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I see it more like this, at least until you have a season or two to sort it out on the field.
AAC, MWC
CUSA, MAC
Sunbelt

I am using recent history as my guide. The AAC and MWC both have multiple teams who have beaten P5 schools in recent years and are competitive with them more often than not. The MAC and CUSA both have a team or two that has beaten a P5 school in recent years but are competitive with them less often than not. The Sunbelt regularly struggles against the P5 conferences and is generally not competitive with the P5 conferences. If the Sunbelt beats a P5 conference school it is a huge upset.

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Well stated...completely agree...

last year the MAC had 8 wins vs AQ schools, the 8 transfers that will be the majority of the AAC- 2.

Last season was a unique season for the MAC (and obviously an exciting time for the conference), but looking at it historically, Panther's post is correct...there have been several season where we didn't score a single victory in OOC against P5/6...

(06-28-2013 05:46 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 04:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Bottom line AAC Tv deal is almost double the rest of he gang, and we want Bowls similar to that.

Er, what? The AAC deal is for $20M, maybe $23M. The Mountain West is getting $18M. CUSA is getting $14M, at least until the 2011-26 contract runs out. How is the AAC tv deal "almost double" MWC or CUSA's?

It's similar to MWC deal. It's double CUSA's. CUSA is 14m for 14 teams or 1m per. AAC is 23m (including CBS deal) for 11 teams, 12 when navy joins. However Navy isn't a full member. 23 divided by 11.5 teams is 2m per. Plus aresco said its under reported due to digital rights not being sold. By how much we don't know.

During an interview with Dr. Upham, TU's president (after our announcement to join the then Big East Conference), he stated that Tulsa would be earning roughly $3.5 million/year with the new media deal starting in2014.

(06-29-2013 08:46 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 02:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  You're right, miko. What the American is doing is trying to solidify itself as the 6th strongest conference in college football. It's called competition.

Tulane, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and Temple are not spending tens of millions of dollars for no reason. They're all trying to ensure that they don't slip any further than they already have.

And the unknown question is can the AAC surpass Boise and the MWC and become the sole 6th best conference in college football or share this position with MWC. Worst case would be the AAC, being ranked 7th as a conference and be put in the group with the MAC, CUSA and the Sub Belt. Only time is going to reveal, how this all shakes out.

Outside of the P5, which is the next best overall conference is really irrelevant; the sports media and most fans (especially those that follow a P5 team) will believe that the best non P5 conference is the one that supplies the team for the only AQ bowl slot that the GO5 conference's get.

That being the case, I'd rather be in a conference with a few strong teams(NIU, Toledo, BSU,Ohio & BGSU) and some weak ones(EMU, Buffalo, UMASS, Miami, Akron) because of the greater likelihood that at least 1 of the members will emerge undefeated in the regular season than in a conference with more strong teams(SD ST, SJST, UT ST, Boise, Fresno) than weak(Wyoming, NM, CSU, UNLV). With the addition of 2 of the 3 best teams from the WAC, Boise is going to have a much tougher time emerging undefeated in MWC play and beating 2 quality OOC opponents(they have BYU & Washington this year) in order to qualify for the 1 AQ bowl slot.

If at least one of a GO5 conference's better teams does not schedule and beat at least 2 decent AQ opponents, than that conference has no shot at getting the AQ bowl slot, unless your conference (like the MAC did least year to the BE) beats 2 of the top teams in an AQ conference

In other words I like the MAC"s chances better than the MWC to qualify for the AQ bowl slot.

(06-29-2013 12:19 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(06-29-2013 11:40 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I see it more like this, at least until you have a season or two to sort it out on the field.
AAC, MWC
CUSA, MAC
Sunbelt

I am using recent history as my guide. The AAC and MWC both have multiple teams who have beaten P5 schools in recent years and are competitive with them more often than not. The MAC and CUSA both have a team or two that has beaten a P5 school in recent years but are competitive with them less often than not. The Sunbelt regularly struggles against the P5 conferences and is generally not competitive with the P5 conferences. If the Sunbelt beats a P5 conference school it is a huge upset.

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Well stated...completely agree...

To be honest, the Sun Belt plays more OOC against the SEC conference, where we typically play against the Big 14, so they would probably have a tougher game on average. I haven't compared the schedules though.

(06-29-2013 09:32 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Agree, it is dog eat dog at this point!

We past dog eat dog years ago. Those university leaders that think we have just reached that point recently face being left behind. I would argue that we hit dog eat dog a decade ago when The ACC raided The Big East the first time. VT and The U jumping to The ACC for more money changed everything. If a university leader didn't see the writing on the wall then, they are probably scrambling now.

Case in point, Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida jumping to The Big East 8 years. I can't speak for UC and USF fans but UofL fans thought we had arrived. We pined for The Big East so long we felt like it was the end all. Thankfully we had a leader that had a vision. God Bless Bill Olsen but if he had been in charge the last decade, Louisville wouldn't be joining The ACC and most likely wouldn't be paying football.

I leave UC and USF fans to speak to the point. Did your programs get comfortable after joining The Big East? Curious of the perception in Cincinnati and Tampa.
CJ