(06-25-2013 12:39 PM)7 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 12:22 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Hare.

Of the 3 we have available this year, he seems to be best passer. If the last 3 years have taught us anything, you need to have a good passing attack to have any shot at winning the MAC.

Not sure I agree with the general thought of this. Lynch's arm is questionable at best, but the system we run helped him post some great passing numbers last year. Maybe NIU feels like they can sacrifice arm for some legs, in which case McIntosh would probably have the best shot.

You still need a decent passing offense to move the ball when opposing defenses are keying on the run and stacking the box. The most obvious example of this I can think of is the '06 team where Wolfe was essentially the entire offense and the passing game was mediocre at best (partly due to the QBs, partly due to the WRs dropping a lot of passes).

Lynch may not be the most accurate, but he still put up some decent passing #s last year. I'd be more than willing to accept a little less legs from Hare because I think he's that much of a better passer than the other guys, which is admittedly mostly based on yours and the DC's reports from practices. From what little we saw of McIntosh last year (which again admittedly, wasn't a whole lot), I don't think he's got the potential with his legs that would warrant starting him over Hare.

(06-25-2013 02:39 PM)7 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:15 PM)7 Wrote:  His completion percentage is a product of the offense he plays in. He's a great great player, but if you think he has an accurate arm, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Lynch's numbers (%, yards, TDs, INTs) are very similar to Harnish's senior year. Are you saying that Harnish was also inaccurate?

No, I think Harnish was a much better passer than Lynch.

And it was largely because Harnish became such a better passer over the course of his career that NIU to 2 straight MAC Championships IMO.

Remember how much he improved from his Freshman to Sophomore to Junior seasons? No surprise that NIU got really dangerous when he got better at passing the ball.

(06-25-2013 02:39 PM)7 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:15 PM)7 Wrote:  His completion percentage is a product of the offense he plays in. He's a great great player, but if you think he has an accurate arm, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Lynch's numbers (%, yards, TDs, INTs) are very similar to Harnish's senior year. Are you saying that Harnish was also inaccurate?

No, I think Harnish was a much better passer than Lynch.

Based on what?

(06-25-2013 02:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:39 PM)7 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:15 PM)7 Wrote:  His completion percentage is a product of the offense he plays in. He's a great great player, but if you think he has an accurate arm, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Lynch's numbers (%, yards, TDs, INTs) are very similar to Harnish's senior year. Are you saying that Harnish was also inaccurate?

No, I think Harnish was a much better passer than Lynch.

Based on what?

Personally for me I think Harnish was a better decision maker.

(06-25-2013 03:29 PM)GjlNIU Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:39 PM)7 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:15 PM)7 Wrote:  His completion percentage is a product of the offense he plays in. He's a great great player, but if you think he has an accurate arm, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Lynch's numbers (%, yards, TDs, INTs) are very similar to Harnish's senior year. Are you saying that Harnish was also inaccurate?

No, I think Harnish was a much better passer than Lynch.

Based on what?

Personally for me I think Harnish was a better decision maker.

Decisions in the passing game, or decisions on whether to hand the ball off?

Harnish was much better at running the read option. NIU pretty much did away with the read option last year because Lynch doesn't make great decisions in it. Not that it matters, because Lynch is a much better runner than Harnish and they can just run draws with him.

If Lynch was anywhere near the passer Harnish was, he would get a shot to play QB in the NFL. He won't get that shot. There's no stats I can show you that's going to say Harnish is a better passer (which is a testiment to the offense and Lynch), but I'm very surprised people disagree with me. It's not close, IMO.

(06-25-2013 02:45 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:39 PM)7 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:15 PM)7 Wrote:  His completion percentage is a product of the offense he plays in. He's a great great player, but if you think he has an accurate arm, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Lynch's numbers (%, yards, TDs, INTs) are very similar to Harnish's senior year. Are you saying that Harnish was also inaccurate?

No, I think Harnish was a much better passer than Lynch.

And it was largely because Harnish became such a better passer over the course of his career that NIU to 2 straight MAC Championships IMO.

Remember how much he improved from his Freshman to Sophomore to Junior seasons? No surprise that NIU got really dangerous when he got better at passing the ball.

Absolutely. We will see if Lynch can make a huge step forward passing this year too. If he does, Good God good luck stopping him. He's difficult enough to stop now.

Lynch has a stronger arm than Chandler. Chandler had a better field presence, awareness and patience than Jordan. With time hopefully those qualities will come to Jordan. Coach Carey tweeted that Jordan is going to be attending the Manning passing academy so that should help with some of the areas he is perceived to be lacking.

(06-25-2013 02:06 PM)GjlNIU Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:04 PM)7 Wrote:  It wasn't just a Florida State issue. He had -1 yards passing against Iowa in the 2nd half.

That was also his first start since high school. Lets hope the footwork he has been working on pays off and he can kick some butt against Iowa and Purdue.

Good point. Does NIU have a good QB coach to work with him? It is difficult to improve with a lot of changing voices in your ear and there has been a lot of coaching changes at NIU. One thing I know for sure is that I love watching Lynch play the position and if he improves even a little bit NIU's offense will be difficult to stop.

(06-25-2013 03:49 PM)7 Wrote:  Harnish was much better at running the read option. NIU pretty much did away with the read option last year because Lynch doesn't make great decisions in it. Not that it matters, because Lynch is a much better runner than Harnish and they can just run draws with him.

If Lynch was anywhere near the passer Harnish was, he would get a shot to play QB in the NFL. He won't get that shot. There's no stats I can show you that's going to say Harnish is a better passer (which is a testiment to the offense and Lynch), but I'm very surprised people disagree with me. It's not close, IMO.

Just seems like if he was that much better it would show in the statistics somewhere, but it doesn't. If that offense can make Lynch look way better than he really was, why didn't they use that the previous year with Harnish? And Lynch was doing that behind an inexperienced line, way more inexperienced than what Harnish had his last couple years. I do think Harnish was more patient in the passing game, where Lynch just likes to run if nothing opens up quickly.

Back to the subject matter of the thread, it appears to be Hare or McIntosh. Williams wanting to play baseball must see some writing on the wall. Fall camp will definitely be interesting. Going past that it looks like our QB will be the guy who just verballed to us.

(06-25-2013 03:55 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:06 PM)GjlNIU Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 02:04 PM)7 Wrote:  It wasn't just a Florida State issue. He had -1 yards passing against Iowa in the 2nd half.

That was also his first start since high school. Lets hope the footwork he has been working on pays off and he can kick some butt against Iowa and Purdue.

Good point. Does NIU have a good QB coach to work with him? It is difficult to improve with a lot of changing voices in your ear and there has been a lot of coaching changes at NIU. One thing I know for sure is that I love watching Lynch play the position and if he improves even a little bit NIU's offense will be difficult to stop.

Iowa was his first start, AND there were at least 3 dropped passes in that game, in the first half alone. I also think the WRs on both sides were impacted by that crappy SF turf when they tried to cut. I heard complaints about that. Plus they didn't even try to throw much. It was like Harnish the year before against Wisconsin, what did he have, 1 long pass? That was pretty much it.

Let me get this straight, 7 is saying Hare is better than Lynch and Harnish

(06-25-2013 04:08 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  Back to the subject matter of the thread, it appears to be Hare or McIntosh. Williams wanting to play baseball must see some writing on the wall. Fall camp will definitely be interesting. Going past that it looks like our QB will be the guy who just verballed to us.

I haven't seen them in practice so I didn't bother voting. Really have no idea. Haven't seen anything tremendous from McIntosh in limited action so the position should be wide open. Hare looked better in the spring game(s).

(06-25-2013 12:39 PM)7 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 12:22 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Hare.

Of the 3 we have available this year, he seems to be best passer. If the last 3 years have taught us anything, you need to have a good passing attack to have any shot at winning the MAC.

Not sure I agree with the general thought of this. Lynch's arm is questionable at best, but the system we run helped him post some great passing numbers last year. Maybe NIU feels like they can sacrifice arm for some legs, in which case McIntosh would probably have the best shot.

7 if you think JLs arm is questionable then you need therapy...lol

(06-25-2013 04:41 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Let me get this straight, 7 is saying Hare is better than Lynch and Harnish

No. What we're saying is that Hare looks to be a better Passer than Harnish or Lynch. Whether he will be, or will even start, remains to be seen.

(06-25-2013 04:41 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Let me get this straight, 7 is saying Hare is better than Lynch and Harnish

Try again.

Hare.,beast in waiting.

(06-25-2013 05:51 PM)jim111267 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 12:39 PM)7 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 12:22 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Hare.

Of the 3 we have available this year, he seems to be best passer. If the last 3 years have taught us anything, you need to have a good passing attack to have any shot at winning the MAC.

Not sure I agree with the general thought of this. Lynch's arm is questionable at best, but the system we run helped him post some great passing numbers last year. Maybe NIU feels like they can sacrifice arm for some legs, in which case McIntosh would probably have the best shot.

7 if you think JLs arm is questionable then you need therapy...lol

7 sometimes wants to be Dan Bernstein and types with bravado just to get a reaction. Not sure how much JL can improve on competing 61% of his passes but I think he could do it.

(06-25-2013 12:21 PM)7 Wrote:  I have been going to practices since like 2005, and Hare was hands down the best QB I've seen. Doesn't mean it will translate, but I'm excited about him.

I figured you didn't but this quote makes it look like you think he's better than JL and Chandler