I thought the thread was about the new coach?

I don't have a problem with the owners.

At one time Marc Cuban was only a billionaire on paper, but he was smart enough to cash in that Yahoo stock before it plummeted.

He didn't have any basketball experience either but he has done a great job with the Mavericks, this year's record not withstanding.

It's a young man's league anymore. New money.

(06-26-2013 12:08 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 12:00 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 11:55 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 11:45 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  ...
Head coaches just aren't that valued in the NBA (See above, Spoelstra has won two NBA titles, but "sucks,").
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Having two hall of famers and an all-pro power forward plus a bench full of good role players would make Tic Price look like a good coach.

People like to say the same kind of thing about Phil Jackson. That just goes to my point, though. Head coaches are ultimately not that valued in the NBA.

The big difference between saying that about Phil Jackson and Spoelstra is that Jackson took teams twice that others lack success with and made them champions (both Laker runs). Jackson also was dominant in the playoffs.

Coaching a team like the Grizz that doesn't have the benefit off the best NBA players is much more difficult and mediocre coaches will fail.

Very few expected much of a core of Marc, Mike, Zbo, and Gay four years ago, and now that core, without Gay is expected to just keep on trucking without its architect?

What you are failing to realize Hollins had a lot fall his way. The beginning of this run the Grizz acquired TA who has been the identity behind grit n grind. Then Hollins brought in Joerger who turned the Grizzlies into one of the best defensive teams in the league.

Hollins did an excellent job of developing Conley and Marc. He deserves credit, but don't fool yourself he had some help and things fall his way

(06-26-2013 12:51 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 12:08 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 12:00 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 11:55 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 11:45 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  ...
Head coaches just aren't that valued in the NBA (See above, Spoelstra has won two NBA titles, but "sucks,").
...

Having two hall of famers and an all-pro power forward plus a bench full of good role players would make Tic Price look like a good coach.

People like to say the same kind of thing about Phil Jackson. That just goes to my point, though. Head coaches are ultimately not that valued in the NBA.

The big difference between saying that about Phil Jackson and Spoelstra is that Jackson took teams twice that others lack success with and made them champions (both Laker runs). Jackson also was dominant in the playoffs.

Coaching a team like the Grizz that doesn't have the benefit off the best NBA players is much more difficult and mediocre coaches will fail.

Very few expected much of a core of Marc, Mike, Zbo, and Gay four years ago, and now that core, without Gay is expected to just keep on trucking without its architect?

What you are failing to realize Hollins had a lot fall his way. The beginning of this run the Grizz acquired TA who has been the identity behind grit n grind. Then Hollins brought in Joerger who turned the Grizzlies into one of the best defensive teams in the league.

Hollins did an excellent job of developing Conley and Marc. He deserves credit, but don't fool yourself he had some help and things fall his way

The beginning of the run was Hollins' first full year (ZBo's first year) when the team was on pace for the playoffs until Gasol got hurt, but still won 40 games, surprising the league.

Dave Joerger was on Marc Iavaroni's staff and retained when Hollins became coach. Team defense sucked under Marc Iavaroni.

(06-26-2013 12:36 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  I thought the thread was about the new coach?

I don't have a problem with the owners.

At one time Marc Cuban was only a billionaire on paper, but he was smart enough to cash in that Yahoo stock before it plummeted.

He didn't have any basketball experience either but he has done a great job with the Mavericks, this year's record not withstanding.

It's a young man's league anymore. New money.

Cuban sold his Yahoo stock, but had Yahoo stock to sell because he sold his company, Broadcast.com for $5 billion in Yahoo stock. Cuban's share was $2 billion or so, and he was not hired by Yahoo so it would be expect he would convert his Yahoo stock to other kinds of assets.

Cuban is very hands on, but Don Nelson ran the team to begin with, and about five or so years later, Nelson's son Donnie became the GM.

Oh yeah, Don Nelson was there before Cuban.

(06-26-2013 01:40 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 12:51 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 12:08 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 12:00 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 11:55 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Having two hall of famers and an all-pro power forward plus a bench full of good role players would make Tic Price look like a good coach.

People like to say the same kind of thing about Phil Jackson. That just goes to my point, though. Head coaches are ultimately not that valued in the NBA.

The big difference between saying that about Phil Jackson and Spoelstra is that Jackson took teams twice that others lack success with and made them champions (both Laker runs). Jackson also was dominant in the playoffs.

Coaching a team like the Grizz that doesn't have the benefit off the best NBA players is much more difficult and mediocre coaches will fail.

Very few expected much of a core of Marc, Mike, Zbo, and Gay four years ago, and now that core, without Gay is expected to just keep on trucking without its architect?

What you are failing to realize Hollins had a lot fall his way. The beginning of this run the Grizz acquired TA who has been the identity behind grit n grind. Then Hollins brought in Joerger who turned the Grizzlies into one of the best defensive teams in the league.

Hollins did an excellent job of developing Conley and Marc. He deserves credit, but don't fool yourself he had some help and things fall his way

The beginning of the run was Hollins' first full year (ZBo's first year) when the team was on pace for the playoffs until Gasol got hurt, but still won 40 games, surprising the league.

Dave Joerger was on Marc Iavaroni's staff and retained when Hollins became coach. Team defense sucked under Marc Iavaroni.

Defense sucked under Ivaroni because Joerger want appointed the defense until Hollins appointed him.

As for the run who cares about that first year they didn't make the playoffs. This current run started in 2011 when they made the playoff run. Again Hollins had a lot go his way while he was here. People hold him up so high like he did all this amazing work. He had some help ( TA and Joerger) as well as some luck (westbrook being hurt)

Hollins chose to play Xavier Henry over Tony Allen, let's not forget that. It wasn't until X got hurt that TA saw legitimate minutes into the rotation and once he got going the city grew to love his demeanor. Hollins didn't see that first hand, he was forced to play TA because of injury.

Now that's some great coaching right there.. Give me a break.

Let the Joerger Meister Era begin!

Good article on Joerger

http://grizzgrind.com/articles/dj-jagerb...izz-era--2

hmmm, so apparently the 1.5 number was wrong.


@CAGrizBlog 4m
Been told twice that Joerger’s contract will start at $1.95 mil. Not sure if bonuses get him there. FWIW Iavaroni started at a flat $1.8 mil

(06-27-2013 10:05 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  hmmm, so apparently the 1.5 number was wrong.


@CAGrizBlog 4m
Been told twice that Joerger’s contract will start at $1.95 mil. Not sure if bonuses get him there. FWIW Iavaroni started at a flat $1.8 mil

Still on the low end of NBA coach salaries, especially for a playoff team.

(06-27-2013 11:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 10:05 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  hmmm, so apparently the 1.5 number was wrong.

@CAGrizBlog 4m
Been told twice that Joerger’s contract will start at $1.95 mil. Not sure if bonuses get him there. FWIW Iavaroni started at a flat $1.8 mil

Still on the low end of NBA coach salaries, especially for a playoff team.

Numbers skewed by the insane numbers on the high end. While Doc Rivers is a fine coach paying him 7 million a year is insanity. What the Clips did last year (Division title, 56 W's) is great but pretty much their ceiling. Why triple the coaches salary with no significant change in personnel? I've never understood why some people equate commitment with overpaying for certain jobs. Everybody has to be smarter today.

(06-27-2013 12:47 PM)UofMark Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 11:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 10:05 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  hmmm, so apparently the 1.5 number was wrong.

@CAGrizBlog 4m
Been told twice that Joerger’s contract will start at $1.95 mil. Not sure if bonuses get him there. FWIW Iavaroni started at a flat $1.8 mil

Still on the low end of NBA coach salaries, especially for a playoff team.

Numbers skewed by the insane numbers on the high end. While Doc Rivers is a fine coach paying him 7 million a year is insanity. What the Clips did last year (Division title, 56 W's) is great but pretty much their ceiling. Why triple the coaches salary with no significant change in personnel? I've never understood why some people equate commitment with overpaying for certain jobs. Everybody has to be smarter today.

Most NBA coaches are in a range of $2.5 million - $4 million.

A list from the last season I saw had the lowest salary at $1.5. All the others were $2 million or more. Hollins earned $2 million.

I think he'll be great here. I'm excited.

(06-27-2013 03:25 PM)Rob Wrote:  I think he'll be great here. I'm excited.

Totally agree!