Quote:Inside Fort Meade, Maryland, a top-secret city bustles. Tens of thousands of people move through more than 50 buildings—the city has its own post office, fire department, and police force. But as if designed by Kafka, it sits among a forest of trees, surrounded by electrified fences and heavily armed guards, protected by antitank barriers, monitored by sensitive motion detectors, and watched by rotating cameras. To block any telltale electromagnetic signals from escaping, the inner walls of the buildings are wrapped in protective copper shielding and the one-way windows are embedded with a fine copper mesh.

This is the undisputed domain of General Keith Alexander, a man few even in Washington would likely recognize. Never before has anyone in America’s intelligence sphere come close to his degree of power, the number of people under his command, the expanse of his rule, the length of his reign, or the depth of his secrecy. A four-star Army general, his authority extends across three domains: He is director of the world’s largest intelligence service, the National Security Agency; chief of the Central Security Service; and commander of the US Cyber Command. As such, he has his own secret military, presiding over the Navy’s 10th Fleet, the 24th Air Force, and the Second Army.

Alexander runs the nation’s cyberwar efforts, an empire he has built over the past eight years by insisting that the US’s inherent vulnerability to digital attacks requires him to amass more and more authority over the data zipping around the globe. In his telling, the threat is so mind-bogglingly huge that the nation has little option but to eventually put the entire civilian Internet under his protection, requiring tweets and emails to pass through his filters, and putting the kill switch under the government’s forefinger.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06...erwar/all/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-22...kery-prism

So what??

The alternative to Cyber-Warfare in Iran is Airstrikes with Deep Penetrator B61/11 Thermonuclear Warheads.

You really want to go there?

Let an offensive cyber weapon take out the Iranian Uranium Centrifuges. It halted the program for two years--perhaps an opportunity for regime change in Tehran.

The fact is Iran will not be allowed a nuclear weapon. The IDF will bomb Iran. If an Iranian proxy hits Israel with Chemical Weapons, Nukes will be flying all over the Middle East upon Arab/Persan Tagets.

I'd like to avoid the Book of Revelation if possible.

So because Jews and Arabs don't get along, the entire US population needs to be put under the control of the us government and its supercomputers so they can make sure we aren't terrorists.

Hilariously stupid reasoning on every level.

(06-22-2013 10:19 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  So what??

The alternative to Cyber-Warfare in Iran is Airstrikes with Deep Penetrator B61/11 Thermonuclear Warheads.

You really want to go there?

Let an offensive cyber weapon take out the Iranian Uranium Centrifuges. It halted the program for two years--perhaps an opportunity for regime change in Tehran.

The fact is Iran will not be allowed a nuclear weapon. The IDF will bomb Iran. If an Iranian proxy hits Israel with Chemical Weapons, Nukes will be flying all over the Middle East upon Arab/Persan Tagets.

I'd like to avoid the Book of Revelation if possible.

You seem to know a lot about this stuff. I really enjoy your posts. What is it you do? Or how do you know all of is stuff?

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(06-22-2013 10:19 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The fact is Iran will not be allowed a nuclear weapon. The IDF will bomb Iran. If an Iranian proxy hits Israel with Chemical Weapons, Nukes will be flying all over the Middle East upon Arab/Persan Targets.

If that happens, don't be surprised if the Arabs take a different side from what you might expect.

(06-23-2013 07:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 10:19 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The fact is Iran will not be allowed a nuclear weapon. The IDF will bomb Iran. If an Iranian proxy hits Israel with Chemical Weapons, Nukes will be flying all over the Middle East upon Arab/Persan Targets.

If that happens, don't be surprised if the Arabs take a different side from what you might expect.

Which side do you think they would be on?

(06-23-2013 08:22 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 07:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 10:19 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  The fact is Iran will not be allowed a nuclear weapon. The IDF will bomb Iran. If an Iranian proxy hits Israel with Chemical Weapons, Nukes will be flying all over the Middle East upon Arab/Persan Targets.

If that happens, don't be surprised if the Arabs take a different side from what you might expect.

Which side do you think they would be on?

I expect the Sunnis to back the Israelis. The common enemy is Iran.

They do seem to hate Iran.

Sunnis will clearly back Israel. Shias will have a tougher call. I would expect the Shia in the street to support Iran but most governments to back Israel, at least under the table.

As a (low ranking) member of the Saudi royal family told me years ago, "My brother and I will fight my cousin, my cousin and I will fight the world, and we will never forget that Ishmael and Isaac were brothers."

On a more practical level, Iran has made no secret of its intention to re-establish the Persian Empire, and if you look at the map, that is not good news for many Arab governments. Note that the name change from Persia to Iran came in the 1930s when you-know-who was running Germany, and the name Iran means roughly "empire of the Aryan people" in Farsi. The message that Iran hoped to convey was something like, "Hey, Adolf, send some tanks and airplanes to your Aryan brothers, and we will meet you at the Bosporus." Fortunately for the Allies, Hitler did not take them up on it. But Arab leaders remember, and it is not a happy memory.

(06-22-2013 07:58 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

Quote:Inside Fort Meade, Maryland, a top-secret city bustles. Tens of thousands of people move through more than 50 buildings—the city has its own post office, fire department, and police force. But as if designed by Kafka, it sits among a forest of trees, surrounded by electrified fences and heavily armed guards, protected by antitank barriers, monitored by sensitive motion detectors, and watched by rotating cameras. To block any telltale electromagnetic signals from escaping, the inner walls of the buildings are wrapped in protective copper shielding and the one-way windows are embedded with a fine copper mesh.

This is the undisputed domain of General Keith Alexander, a man few even in Washington would likely recognize. Never before has anyone in America’s intelligence sphere come close to his degree of power, the number of people under his command, the expanse of his rule, the length of his reign, or the depth of his secrecy. A four-star Army general, his authority extends across three domains: He is director of the world’s largest intelligence service, the National Security Agency; chief of the Central Security Service; and commander of the US Cyber Command. As such, he has his own secret military, presiding over the Navy’s 10th Fleet, the 24th Air Force, and the Second Army.

Alexander runs the nation’s cyberwar efforts, an empire he has built over the past eight years by insisting that the US’s inherent vulnerability to digital attacks requires him to amass more and more authority over the data zipping around the globe. In his telling, the threat is so mind-bogglingly huge that the nation has little option but to eventually put the entire civilian Internet under his protection, requiring tweets and emails to pass through his filters, and putting the kill switch under the government’s forefinger.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06...erwar/all/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-22...kery-prism

What's worse, having this ability or not having it?

(06-23-2013 03:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Sunnis will clearly back Israel. Shias will have a tougher call. I would expect the Shia in the street to support Iran but most governments to back Israel, at least under the table.

As a (low ranking) member of the Saudi royal family told me years ago, "My brother and I will fight my cousin, my cousin and I will fight the world, and we will never forget that Ishmael and Isaac were brothers."

On a more practical level, Iran has made no secret of its intention to re-establish the Persian Empire, and if you look at the map, that is not good news for many Arab governments. Note that the name change from Persia to Iran came in the 1930s when you-know-who was running Germany, and the name Iran means roughly "empire of the Aryan people" in Farsi. The message that Iran hoped to convey was something like, "Hey, Adolf, send some tanks and airplanes to your Aryan brothers, and we will meet you at the Bosporus." Fortunately for the Allies, Hitler did not take them up on it. But Arab leaders remember, and it is not a happy memory.

Thought many of the Arab leaders were proponents of supporting Nazi Germany.

Meet the Depressed talked about this subject yesterday.

I kept wondering to myself why they had The Detroit of the South's (ATL) mayor giving his support. You would think we should do the exact opposite of everything he says.

(06-24-2013 07:50 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Meet the Depressed talked about this subject yesterday.

I kept wondering to myself why they had The Detroit of the South's (ATL) mayor giving his support. You would think we should do the exact opposite of everything he says.

I missed it, he supported the NSA program?

(06-24-2013 09:56 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 07:50 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Meet the Depressed talked about this subject yesterday.

I kept wondering to myself why they had The Detroit of the South's (ATL) mayor giving his support. You would think we should do the exact opposite of everything he says.

I missed it, he supported the NSA program?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3032608/#52288668

Obama zombie, singing praises of Bush - it was like the twilight zone.

Watched it. Interesting.
What struck me while watching was all the controversy a few years ago about installing a lot more cameras, as London was doing, particularly in downtown areas and interstates. Seems as if most controversy about that has gone away. Wondering if this will come down to the same.

(06-23-2013 06:55 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 10:19 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  So what??

The alternative to Cyber-Warfare in Iran is Airstrikes with Deep Penetrator B61/11 Thermonuclear Warheads.

You really want to go there?

Let an offensive cyber weapon take out the Iranian Uranium Centrifuges. It halted the program for two years--perhaps an opportunity for regime change in Tehran.

The fact is Iran will not be allowed a nuclear weapon. The IDF will bomb Iran. If an Iranian proxy hits Israel with Chemical Weapons, Nukes will be flying all over the Middle East upon Arab/Persan Tagets.

I'd like to avoid the Book of Revelation if possible.

You seem to know a lot about this stuff. I really enjoy your posts. What is it you do? Or how do you know all of is stuff?

Positive Rep me or I'll never let Prince Albert out of the can.

He kisses Notintheyahoo's ass.

Robert! Is that really necessary?