(06-26-2013 07:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Not trying to start a fire but I seriously do not understand why conference USA fans always put Marshall on a high pedestal. I know they have past history but it seems like they just have not been a good team since moving to conference USA. I know they put up some good stats but losing is losing.

Marshall's QB Rakeem Cato was #5 in passing yardage last year, with 37 TD passes to boot, and still has 2 more years of eligibility. That might have something to do with it...

Yeah go check the stats for Troy's QB Corey Robinson. He had a monster Freshman year and was still good despite being injured as a Sophomore.

But Troy was still losing games just like Marshall.

(06-18-2013 04:00 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I also believe that the top end of the MAC will be better than CUSA next year. You guys gotta drop EMU, at least for football, though. Their highest attended game last season was against Illinois State, an FCS team, at 7,654.

Can't drop an all-sports school that has won multiple championships in the past decade just because they can't draw fans for football.

If the NCAA passes rules where you can't buy your way out of week stadium attendance with ghost tickets, then the issue will come up. If the MAC establishes some facilities requirements that EMU can't meet (like the old Big East and Temple), then the issue will come up. Until that time, its just a way to distinguish one-eyed college football supporters from college sports fans.

EMU isn't the problem. It's EMU AND UMass AND Buffalo AND Akron. EMU becomes less of a concern the better those other 3 become. This, btw, is why I'm against adding a 14th from FCS. Don't need anymore on the bottom.

(06-26-2013 10:22 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  EMU isn't the problem. It's EMU AND UMass AND Buffalo AND Akron. EMU becomes less of a concern the better those other 3 become. This, btw, is why I'm against adding a 14th from FCS. Don't need anymore on the bottom.

Speaking of the MAC, would Ohio U. entertain offers to move conferences? They would be an excellent add to the AAC if Cincinnati moved to a P5.

(06-26-2013 07:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Not trying to start a fire but I seriously do not understand why conference USA fans always put Marshall on a high pedestal. I know they have past history but it seems like they just have not been a good team since moving to conference USA.

Could it be that Marshall found out that it is tougher to win in C-USA than it was in the MAC? I remember telling Marshall fan when they were invited that it wasn't going to be as easy.

(06-26-2013 07:36 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Not trying to start a fire but I seriously do not understand why conference USA fans always put Marshall on a high pedestal. I know they have past history but it seems like they just have not been a good team since moving to conference USA. I know they put up some good stats but losing is losing.

Marshall's QB Rakeem Cato was #5 in passing yardage last year, with 37 TD passes to boot, and still has 2 more years of eligibility. That might have something to do with it...

Yeah go check the stats for Troy's QB Corey Robinson. He had a monster Freshman year and was still good despite being injured as a Sophomore.

But Troy was still losing games just like Marshall.

What do facts have to do with anything, especially when it comes to the news media's prognostications? They merely use the data from the end of last season and throw out the rest, unless they have some point to prove for the fans of one of their cash cows, when they'll milk the most obscure points imaginable...

(06-27-2013 09:23 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 10:22 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  EMU isn't the problem. It's EMU AND UMass AND Buffalo AND Akron. EMU becomes less of a concern the better those other 3 become. This, btw, is why I'm against adding a 14th from FCS. Don't need anymore on the bottom.

Speaking of the MAC, would Ohio U. entertain offers to move conferences? They would be an excellent add to the AAC if Cincinnati moved to a P5.

my guess would be- not likely. Ohio is a founding member of the MAC, 10 MAC schools have been members for 40+ years, 6 for 60+ years. Lots of history, close geography, lots of commonality, etc. The $$$$ would have to be so much greater that it would be impossible to refuse and I don't think any G5 conference will have that kind of payout.

(06-27-2013 09:40 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Not trying to start a fire but I seriously do not understand why conference USA fans always put Marshall on a high pedestal. I know they have past history but it seems like they just have not been a good team since moving to conference USA.

Could it be that Marshall found out that it is tougher to win in C-USA than it was in the MAC? I remember telling Marshall fan when they were invited that it wasn't going to be as easy.

Really? UCF went 0-11 in their last year in the MAC (2004), and the next year they went 7-1 in C-USA and played in the Hawaii bowl. Seems to me C-USA provided a much easier schedule that allowed them to win.

Maybe Marshall's just not that good any more.

(06-26-2013 07:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Not trying to start a fire but I seriously do not understand why conference USA fans always put Marshall on a high pedestal. I know they have past history but it seems like they just have not been a good team since moving to conference USA. I know they put up some good stats but losing is losing.

I'm skeptical that Marshall is going to be as good as their fans think they will be this year, but their offense is the real deal. Cato is a stud and they have a very good group of skill guys and a solid offensive line around him. I think their defense has more issues and holes than ECU's, which is why I think ECU should be the favorite to win the east, but Marshall is going to win a lot of games this year. If they win less than 8 with what they return then Doc isn't a very good coach at all.

(06-18-2013 05:34 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-18-2013 05:01 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-18-2013 04:00 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I also believe that the top end of the MAC will be better than CUSA next year. You guys gotta drop EMU, at least for football, though. Their highest attended game last season was against Illinois State, an FCS team, at 7,654.

I hate to tell y'all this, but the top of CUSA last year was better than the top of the MAC. UCF was, at the very least, as good as Kent State while Tulsa was a better team than NIU. I don't care what the BCS says...

you hate tell us because you know you're the only one that believes this. How many CUSA teams were ranked? How many wins over ranked opponents? What was the biggest non conference win? Tulsa only beat 2 teams with a winning record and they lost to 2 teams with losing records. Not impressive.

The MAC had wins over Rutgers, Cincy, UConn & USF; 2 of the top 3 BE programs. Wins over Iowa, Penn State, Indiana, Kansas, CUSA had a putrid record vs BCS programs last year, 1 or 2 wins tops.

(06-26-2013 10:22 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  EMU isn't the problem. It's EMU AND UMass AND Buffalo AND Akron. EMU becomes less of a concern the better those other 3 become. This, btw, is why I'm against adding a 14th from FCS. Don't need anymore on the bottom.

Everyone knows EMU's issues, UMass just got there, Buffalo and Akron has been a mess for the past few years.

If you want to go that route, Kent State and Ohio couldn't do squat for years.

It took Kent waaaayyyy to long to figure out how to create fans. They are now targeting incoming freshman and parents so it will take a while for things to fully pay off but the foundation is being built. Players are also going around to local businesses and holding events to promote themselves.

(06-28-2013 10:55 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  It took Kent waaaayyyy to long to figure out how to create fans. They are now targeting incoming freshman and parents so it will take a while for things to fully pay off but the foundation is being built. Players are also going around to local businesses and holding events to promote themselves.

And thats good. having someone the next county over makes things better.Now if you can actually sellout Dix Stadium more than once in it's lifetime, even better! (Thats not a jab, but at 20k it should have been easy last season)

Over the past couple decades Kent has shown promise during the middle of the season then fizzled out towards the end so you had a lot of skeptical people in the area. I think attendance this year will be average will only 5 home games and a new coach. Next year will be a better benchmark as to how well the people in the area embrace the football team.

(06-28-2013 10:51 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 10:22 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  EMU isn't the problem. It's EMU AND UMass AND Buffalo AND Akron. EMU becomes less of a concern the better those other 3 become. This, btw, is why I'm against adding a 14th from FCS. Don't need anymore on the bottom.

Everyone knows EMU's issues, UMass just got there, Buffalo and Akron has been a mess for the past few years.

If you want to go that route, Kent State and Ohio couldn't do squat for years.

that's my point, its not that any specific team is struggling, its that 4 teams are struggling.

It is all personal opinion and BS at this time of year. But fools buy this crap, so he is making a living selling BS!

(06-28-2013 02:46 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 09:40 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Not trying to start a fire but I seriously do not understand why conference USA fans always put Marshall on a high pedestal. I know they have past history but it seems like they just have not been a good team since moving to conference USA.

Could it be that Marshall found out that it is tougher to win in C-USA than it was in the MAC? I remember telling Marshall fan when they were invited that it wasn't going to be as easy.

Really? UCF went 0-11 in their last year in the MAC (2004), and the next year they went 7-1 in C-USA and played in the Hawaii bowl. Seems to me C-USA provided a much easier schedule that allowed them to win.

Maybe Marshall's just not that good any more.

Yea, they're 3-3 against the MAC over the past several years, although all those games were against Ohio or Bowling Green so it isn't much of a sample. No reason to think they'd be any better than an average MAC team now. Once they didn't have Moss, Pennington, or Leftwich, they dropped, just like any MAC team normally does after losing great skill players, especially QBs.

(06-29-2013 08:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is all personal opinion and BS at this time of year. But fools buy this crap, so he is making a living selling BS!

Certain types of BS appeal to a broad spectrum of the masses. The mass will eat it up...

(06-29-2013 09:10 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 02:46 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 09:40 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 07:07 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Not trying to start a fire but I seriously do not understand why conference USA fans always put Marshall on a high pedestal. I know they have past history but it seems like they just have not been a good team since moving to conference USA.

Could it be that Marshall found out that it is tougher to win in C-USA than it was in the MAC? I remember telling Marshall fan when they were invited that it wasn't going to be as easy.

Really? UCF went 0-11 in their last year in the MAC (2004), and the next year they went 7-1 in C-USA and played in the Hawaii bowl. Seems to me C-USA provided a much easier schedule that allowed them to win.

Maybe Marshall's just not that good any more.

Yea, they're 3-3 against the MAC over the past several years, although all those games were against Ohio or Bowling Green so it isn't much of a sample. No reason to think they'd be any better than an average MAC team now. Once they didn't have Moss, Pennington, or Leftwich, they dropped, just like any MAC team normally does after losing great skill players, especially QBs.

Marshall's 3 wins were at home or a neutral site and were by 7 points or less. Marshall has struggled on the road v MAC teams losing 44-28 @BG and 44-7 @Ohio.

The magic number for Marshall's defense is 23- they are 3-0 when holding MAC teams to 23 points or less, 0-3 when they don't.