I don't see a lot of people pumping up the noise at softball games. Sometimes we can't be so PC and we need to just tell the truth about the matter. Everything is about 1 - Football and 2 - Men's basketball.

The truth is I support JMU giving women's sports financial support. Not being "PC". My opinion is different than yours, that's all.

(06-14-2013 11:35 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 06:22 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 02:45 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 07:19 AM)jmu2do Wrote:  I really hope not. It would be good for football, but all sports, not so much.

If you don't mind me asking, which other sports are you guys actually good at?

Football, at least one decent year in over a decade for basketball last year. Our WBB is a consistent winner, our baseball team is usually competitive, but they've hit a rut the last few seasons. Our women's field hockey and lax are always good, FH won a title in 94.
We had national champion archers until they cut the team for title ix. Our men's and women's soccer are respectable, with the men's team finishing ranked last season I believe.
We aren't slouches. I believe fb has nine consecutive winnings seasons. Que the haters that will complain about how we're playing too easy of teams. I'm sure Ohio state fans aren't saying they don't deserve praise because they played one too many Mac teams.

I kind of meant "other than football".

Sounds like WBB would fit right in with the MAC, which has several very good teams including Bowling Green and Toledo. MAC baseball could use another team to challenge Kent State, but overall it's not really a sport we focus on. I don't know much about field hockey in the MAC, except that the conference has it. Your men's soccer team would probably drag the top of the MAC down most years.

The MAC doesn't sponsor lacrosse, so you would need to find them a home. It's a regional sport at best, isolated to the mid-atlantic, and isn't worth the investment for the MAC.

How are your track teams? Volleyball? The MAC is quite good in those areas.

13 NCAA appearances for men's soccer. We're not Akron, but I don't think we'll be dragging anybody down.

1971, 1972, 1973, 1976,1992, 1993, 1994, 1995,1996, 2000, 2001, 2005,
2011


ncaa trips for most sports here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison_Dukes

we actually have only ONE program that has not made an NCAA tournament appearance since 2010....and shockingly enough it's Field Hockey, where we are almost always ranked and have won a national championship.

Last NCAA bid:

football: 2011
men's hoops: 2013
women's hoops: 2011
baseball: 2011
men's soccer: 2011
women's soccer: 2010
softball: 2013
women's lacrosse: 2011
field hockey: 2008

(06-15-2013 08:18 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:35 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 06:22 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 02:45 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 07:19 AM)jmu2do Wrote:  I really hope not. It would be good for football, but all sports, not so much.

If you don't mind me asking, which other sports are you guys actually good at?

Football, at least one decent year in over a decade for basketball last year. Our WBB is a consistent winner, our baseball team is usually competitive, but they've hit a rut the last few seasons. Our women's field hockey and lax are always good, FH won a title in 94.
We had national champion archers until they cut the team for title ix. Our men's and women's soccer are respectable, with the men's team finishing ranked last season I believe.
We aren't slouches. I believe fb has nine consecutive winnings seasons. Que the haters that will complain about how we're playing too easy of teams. I'm sure Ohio state fans aren't saying they don't deserve praise because they played one too many Mac teams.

I kind of meant "other than football".

Sounds like WBB would fit right in with the MAC, which has several very good teams including Bowling Green and Toledo. MAC baseball could use another team to challenge Kent State, but overall it's not really a sport we focus on. I don't know much about field hockey in the MAC, except that the conference has it. Your men's soccer team would probably drag the top of the MAC down most years.

The MAC doesn't sponsor lacrosse, so you would need to find them a home. It's a regional sport at best, isolated to the mid-atlantic, and isn't worth the investment for the MAC.

How are your track teams? Volleyball? The MAC is quite good in those areas.

13 NCAA appearances for men's soccer. We're not Akron, but I don't think we'll be dragging anybody down.

1971, 1972, 1973, 1976,1992, 1993, 1994, 1995,1996, 2000, 2001, 2005,
2011


ncaa trips for most sports here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison_Dukes

we actually have only ONE program that has not made an NCAA tournament appearance since 2010....and shockingly enough it's Field Hockey, where we are almost always ranked and have won a national championship.

Last NCAA bid:

football: 2011
men's hoops: 2013
women's hoops: 2011
baseball: 2011
men's soccer: 2011
women's soccer: 2010
softball: 2013
women's lacrosse: 2011
field hockey: 2008

Great stat.

(06-15-2013 06:41 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  The truth is I support JMU giving women's sports financial support. Not being "PC". My opinion is different than yours, that's all.

I would love to do that but there are only three places that could come from. 1. Football. 2. Men's Basketball. 3. Donations. There's not many people in on #3 so reality dictates all situations.

(06-15-2013 01:06 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that any decision has anything to do with anything outside of football and men's basketball except for the financial and compliance factors. The cold fact is that JMU has some sports for the sole reason of being compliant and a move up would likely necessitate more moves for compliance only. I don't think they give a crap if those teams finish at the bottom of the conference every year as long as they can check the box.

So JMU season tickets are crap, the football experience is crap, and JMU doesn't give a crap if most of our teams lose. You are really on a roll.

(06-15-2013 01:06 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that any decision has anything to do with anything outside of football and men's basketball except for the financial and compliance factors. The cold fact is that JMU has some sports for the sole reason of being compliant and a move up would likely necessitate more moves for compliance only. I don't think they give a crap if those teams finish at the bottom of the conference every year as long as they can check the box.

I think instead that you may not want to fool yourself into thinking that these decisions are made with only football and MBB in consideration. I believe it's quite the opposite. Therein lies the conflict that makes this decision (1-A) so volatile.

Checking a box has never been the purpose of JMU athletics, and this is one of many reasons so many are proud of our legacy and mission and why this decision based primarily on football is a tough one. No ones being fooled here.

(06-15-2013 11:31 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  so many are proud of our legacy and mission and why this decision based primarily on football is a tough one. No ones being fooled here.

Honest question, what is JMU's athletic legacy and mission? When I hear legacy I think of extraordinary achivement above and beyond average. When I hear mission I think of long term goals of consistent upward results. If Bourne's athletic dept has a legacy or a mission (I don't think is does) it seems like a decison to leave a decimated CAA is the easiest decision the admin faces. Maybe, those of us "not being fooled" are those that won't overlook that this is an athletic dept directed by a man that said "I don't want to pay VCU and ODU in the same season." Legacy speaks...loud and clear.

I'm not over looking the programs outside football and MBB but giving the other sports too much consideration at this point in JMU's history will be one heavily weighted variable in JMU's response to 7%. All people but not all sports are created equally

I hope we don't have enough people supporting cutting our spending in the non-revenue sports to make it happen. That would be sad & very un-Dukes. I want to make the 1A move as much as the next guy, but not while sacrificing worthwhile principles.

(06-16-2013 08:40 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 11:31 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  so many are proud of our legacy and mission and why this decision based primarily on football is a tough one. No ones being fooled here.

Honest question, what is JMU's athletic legacy and mission? When I hear legacy I think of extraordinary achivement above and beyond average. When I hear mission I think of long term goals of consistent upward results. If Bourne's athletic dept has a legacy or a mission (I don't think is does) it seems like a decison to leave a decimated CAA is the easiest decision the admin faces. Maybe, those of us "not being fooled" are those that won't overlook that this is an athletic dept directed by a man that said "I don't want to pay VCU and ODU in the same season." Legacy speaks...loud and clear.

I'm not over looking the programs outside football and MBB but giving the other sports too much consideration at this point in JMU's history will be one heavily weighted variable in JMU's response to 7%. All people but not all sports are created equally

If your main point is that football and men's basketball are more "popular" or economically viable (at present), tell us something we don't know. You're absolutely correct that not all sports garner the same devout following (and in the USA, football is king). Football (and MBB to a lesser degree for JMU) will no doubt directly influence JMU's conference alignment, but they will not be the final determinate.

I'm not picking on you, but if you can't appreciate the "legacy" of JMU's sports program other than football (like WBB's 3 Sweet 16 appearances and the 4th or 5th most wins all-time), or the dynamic progress JMU's "mission" has made in facilities (from the basement gym in Ashby to the ongoing planning for a new $90 million dollar Convo), or the newly completed soccer fields to support outstanding men's and women's teams with a "legacy" of NCAA runs, including Sweet 16 runs by the women in 2008 and the men in 2011, I simply don't know what to tell you...because if all you care about is football and MBB that's all you care about. But the administration (thank goodness) sees it quite differently, and Title IX will continue to guide JMU as it does all NCAA sanctioned programs.

Honestly, based on your last post, you might want to save yourself further grief, and simply stop following JMU sports if you think the legacy and mission (as you narrowly defined them) aren't meeting your expectations. I believe a more objective, even-handed and less critical assessment would marvel at the history and growth of JMU sports, and recognize that there is much to be proud of, even under JB's tenure.

(06-16-2013 09:11 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I hope we don't have enough people supporting cutting our spending in the non-revenue sports to make it happen. That would be sad & very un-Dukes. I want to make the 1A move as much as the next guy, but not while sacrificing worthwhile principles.

There is a less than 0% chance of that happening.

(06-15-2013 11:31 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 01:06 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that any decision has anything to do with anything outside of football and men's basketball except for the financial and compliance factors. The cold fact is that JMU has some sports for the sole reason of being compliant and a move up would likely necessitate more moves for compliance only. I don't think they give a crap if those teams finish at the bottom of the conference every year as long as they can check the box.

I think instead that you may not want to fool yourself into thinking that these decisions are made with only football and MBB in consideration. I believe it's quite the opposite. Therein lies the conflict that makes this decision (1-A) so volatile.

Checking a box has never been the purpose of JMU athletics, and this is one of many reasons so many are proud of our legacy and mission and why this decision based primarily on football is a tough one. No ones being fooled here.

I think you're misunderstanding me. Those sports are a huge factor when considering conference affiliation. What I'm saying is that the REASON that they're a factor is less about competition and more about considerations like travel costs, compliance (e.g. some conferences don't have certain sports), etc. Maybe I was a little strong when I implied that they don't care if those programs are successful, but the truth of the matter is that the administration is judged by the success of the football and basketball programs. 95% of the people on this board, which I would consider to be some of the strongest supporters of JMU athletics, would not have a clue how any of the olympic sports performed in the last year without looking it up.

(06-16-2013 09:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 08:40 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 11:31 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  so many are proud of our legacy and mission and why this decision based primarily on football is a tough one. No ones being fooled here.

Honest question, what is JMU's athletic legacy and mission? When I hear legacy I think of extraordinary achivement above and beyond average. When I hear mission I think of long term goals of consistent upward results. If Bourne's athletic dept has a legacy or a mission (I don't think is does) it seems like a decison to leave a decimated CAA is the easiest decision the admin faces. Maybe, those of us "not being fooled" are those that won't overlook that this is an athletic dept directed by a man that said "I don't want to pay VCU and ODU in the same season." Legacy speaks...loud and clear.

I'm not over looking the programs outside football and MBB but giving the other sports too much consideration at this point in JMU's history will be one heavily weighted variable in JMU's response to 7%. All people but not all sports are created equally

If your main point is that football and men's basketball are more "popular" or economically viable (at present), tell us something we don't know. You're absolutely correct that not all sports garner the same devout following (and in the USA, football is king). Football (and MBB to a lesser degree for JMU) will no doubt directly influence JMU's conference alignment, but they will not be the final determinate.

I'm not picking on you, but if you can't appreciate the "legacy" of JMU's sports program other than football (like WBB's 3 Sweet 16 appearances and the 4th or 5th most wins all-time), or the dynamic progress JMU's "mission" has made in facilities (from the basement gym in Ashby to the ongoing planning for a new $90 million dollar Convo), or the newly completed soccer fields to support outstanding men's and women's teams with a "legacy" of NCAA runs, including Sweet 16 runs by the women in 2008 and the men in 2011, I simply don't know what to tell you...because if all you care about is football and MBB that's all you care about. But the administration (thank goodness) sees it quite differently, and Title IX will continue to guide JMU as it does all NCAA sanctioned programs.

Honestly, based on your last post, you might want to save yourself further grief, and simply stop following JMU sports if you think the legacy and mission (as you narrowly defined them) aren't meeting your expectations. I believe a more objective, even-handed and less critical assessment would marvel at the history and growth of JMU sports, and recognize that there is much to be proud of, even under JB's tenure.

You got me excited with the stat about WBB being 4th or 5th all time in wins (which would have been comparable to Duke or Syracuse it he men's game). The information I found was that we are 31st - comparable with Georgetown, OKST, and OHio St. in the men's game. Neat, but not quite as impressive.

(06-16-2013 09:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 08:40 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 11:31 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  so many are proud of our legacy and mission and why this decision based primarily on football is a tough one. No ones being fooled here.

Honest question, what is JMU's athletic legacy and mission? When I hear legacy I think of extraordinary achivement above and beyond average. When I hear mission I think of long term goals of consistent upward results. If Bourne's athletic dept has a legacy or a mission (I don't think is does) it seems like a decison to leave a decimated CAA is the easiest decision the admin faces. Maybe, those of us "not being fooled" are those that won't overlook that this is an athletic dept directed by a man that said "I don't want to pay VCU and ODU in the same season." Legacy speaks...loud and clear.

I'm not over looking the programs outside football and MBB but giving the other sports too much consideration at this point in JMU's history will be one heavily weighted variable in JMU's response to 7%. All people but not all sports are created equally

If your main point is that football and men's basketball are more "popular" or economically viable (at present), tell us something we don't know. You're absolutely correct that not all sports garner the same devout following (and in the USA, football is king). Football (and MBB to a lesser degree for JMU) will no doubt directly influence JMU's conference alignment, but they will not be the final determinate.

I'm not picking on you, but if you can't appreciate the "legacy" of JMU's sports program other than football (like WBB's 3 Sweet 16 appearances and the 4th or 5th most wins all-time), or the dynamic progress JMU's "mission" has made in facilities (from the basement gym in Ashby to the ongoing planning for a new $90 million dollar Convo), or the newly completed soccer fields to support outstanding men's and women's teams with a "legacy" of NCAA runs, including Sweet 16 runs by the women in 2008 and the men in 2011, I simply don't know what to tell you...because if all you care about is football and MBB that's all you care about. But the administration (thank goodness) sees it quite differently, and Title IX will continue to guide JMU as it does all NCAA sanctioned programs.

Honestly, based on your last post, you might want to save yourself further grief, and simply stop following JMU sports if you think the legacy and mission (as you narrowly defined them) aren't meeting your expectations. I believe a more objective, even-handed and less critical assessment would marvel at the history and growth of JMU sports, and recognize that there is much to be proud of, even under JB's tenure.

Cheers back at ya 'Horn. I'm about to enjoy a mimosa or three at brunch.

Points taken on infrastructure improvements. Let's not train for a marathon, run 25 miles with evergy to burn and quit the race.

(06-16-2013 10:45 AM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 09:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 08:40 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 11:31 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  so many are proud of our legacy and mission and why this decision based primarily on football is a tough one. No ones being fooled here.

Honest question, what is JMU's athletic legacy and mission? When I hear legacy I think of extraordinary achivement above and beyond average. When I hear mission I think of long term goals of consistent upward results. If Bourne's athletic dept has a legacy or a mission (I don't think is does) it seems like a decison to leave a decimated CAA is the easiest decision the admin faces. Maybe, those of us "not being fooled" are those that won't overlook that this is an athletic dept directed by a man that said "I don't want to pay VCU and ODU in the same season." Legacy speaks...loud and clear.

I'm not over looking the programs outside football and MBB but giving the other sports too much consideration at this point in JMU's history will be one heavily weighted variable in JMU's response to 7%. All people but not all sports are created equally

If your main point is that football and men's basketball are more "popular" or economically viable (at present), tell us something we don't know. You're absolutely correct that not all sports garner the same devout following (and in the USA, football is king). Football (and MBB to a lesser degree for JMU) will no doubt directly influence JMU's conference alignment, but they will not be the final determinate.

I'm not picking on you, but if you can't appreciate the "legacy" of JMU's sports program other than football (like WBB's 3 Sweet 16 appearances and the 4th or 5th most wins all-time), or the dynamic progress JMU's "mission" has made in facilities (from the basement gym in Ashby to the ongoing planning for a new $90 million dollar Convo), or the newly completed soccer fields to support outstanding men's and women's teams with a "legacy" of NCAA runs, including Sweet 16 runs by the women in 2008 and the men in 2011, I simply don't know what to tell you...because if all you care about is football and MBB that's all you care about. But the administration (thank goodness) sees it quite differently, and Title IX will continue to guide JMU as it does all NCAA sanctioned programs.

Honestly, based on your last post, you might want to save yourself further grief, and simply stop following JMU sports if you think the legacy and mission (as you narrowly defined them) aren't meeting your expectations. I believe a more objective, even-handed and less critical assessment would marvel at the history and growth of JMU sports, and recognize that there is much to be proud of, even under JB's tenure.

You got me excited with the stat about WBB being 4th or 5th all time in wins (which would have been comparable to Duke or Syracuse it he men's game). The information I found was that we are 31st - comparable with Georgetown, OKST, and OHio St. in the men's game. Neat, but not quite as impressive.

Not sure what source you're looking at...perhaps just NCAA wins, which would not account for the early start to JMU's WBB program. JMU is behind TN (all time) and about 3 others...JMU and ODU are neck and neck in the all-time win column with somewhere around 900.

EDIT: Here's a link...JMU at 935, behind TN, LA Tech and ODU. Of course it took JMU 90 years to rack up this record. Then again, talk about a legacy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball

(06-16-2013 12:24 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  .

You got me excited with the stat about WBB being 4th or 5th all time in wins (which would have been comparable to Duke or Syracuse it he men's game). The information I found was that we are 31st - comparable with Georgetown, OKST, and OHio St. in the men's game. Neat, but not quite as impressive.

Not sure what source you're looking at...
EDIT: Here's a link...JMU at 935, behind TN, LA Tech and ODU. Of course it took JMU 90 years to rack up this record. Then again, talk about a legacy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball
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Link that List the teams with the highest winning percentage in NCAA Division I men's college basketball (I don't see JMU, I do see VCU and ODU only 2 schools from the state). VCU # 20 ODU # 36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball

Link that List the teams with the most victories in NCAA Division I men's college basketball. I don't see JMU

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

JMU number of wins total
JMU started 1970 Years Played 43 years Won 659 Lost 562 Pct .540

ODU number of wins total
ODU Started 1951 Played 62 years Won 1,041 Lost 646 Pct .617

(06-16-2013 02:46 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 12:24 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  .

You got me excited with the stat about WBB being 4th or 5th all time in wins (which would have been comparable to Duke or Syracuse it he men's game). The information I found was that we are 31st - comparable with Georgetown, OKST, and OHio St. in the men's game. Neat, but not quite as impressive.

Not sure what source you're looking at...
EDIT: Here's a link...JMU at 935, behind TN, LA Tech and ODU. Of course it took JMU 90 years to rack up this record. Then again, talk about a legacy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball

Link that List the teams with the highest winning percentage in NCAA Division I men's college basketball (I don't see JMU, I do see VCU and ODU only 2 schools from the state). VCU # 20 ODU # 36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball

Link that List the teams with the most victories in NCAA Division I men's college basketball. I don't see JMU

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

JMU number of wins total
JMU started 1970 Years Played 43 years Won 659 Lost 562 Pct .540

ODU number of wins total
ODU Started 1951 Played 62 years Won 1,041 Lost 646 Pct .617
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Cool, but we were talking women's basketball records Oldtimer.

(06-16-2013 05:12 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-16-2013 02:46 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  [quote='Longhorn' pid='9415214' dateline='1371403496'] .

it he men's game). The information I found was that we are 31st - comparable with Georgetown, OKST, and OHio St. in the men's game. Neat, but not quite as impressive.

Cool, but we were talking women's basketball records Oldtimer.

Got ya...... Sorry Thought the post was a reference to men's basketball.

Good Luck to the Dukes this year.

How did we start 49 years and only have played 145 more. I know they had more NCAA games, but we had quite a few ourselves....

I wonder is we didn't play some years......