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RE: DING DONG
So what are Greenspan's "Intriguing Possibilities" for the future?
Night Shift Manager at IHOP?
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 03:26 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Great language in the press release too. Greenspan is the one removing himself; the impetus did not come from us. If we had actually fired him, then of course the logical reaction is that we waited until the racist remarks storm blew over before firing him. Wonder what his new opportunities are? Maybe go back to Indiana to claim his rightful post as the Grand Wizard of the KKK?
While I understand why many are happy about Rick Greenspan's decision, and am hopeful that we'll make a good hire, I think everyone here needs to remember that (1) losing a job is not fun or enjoyable for anyone, (2) just because you want the athletic department to take a different direction doesn't gives you the license to be insulting, degrading, defamatory or rude.
Everyone makes mistakes, and undoubtedly Greenspan made some too. I suspect that the nature of his mistakes are very likely NOT exactly what the perceptions of everyone on this board hold them to be.
In any event, posts like the one above are no better in any respect than the worst assumptions some here have made of Greenspan's behavior. They simply are using a different target, once that is seemingly safer because it is assumed that large groups dislike the target.
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RE: DING DONG
Yeah! Consider yourself chastised, Westside! Walk a mile in RG's shoes and run an athletic department into the ground; only once you've done that will you have the right to rejoice in his departure!
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Rick Gerlach
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 10:59 PM)Barrett Wrote: Yeah! Consider yourself chastised, Westside! Walk a mile in RG's shoes and run an athletic department into the ground; only once you've done that will you have the right to rejoice in his departure!
I realize many people are happy about today's events. That's not the issue.
The condition of (some portions at least) our athletic department is not the fault of a single individual, nor has it occurred solely in the very recent time period Greenspan has been in charge. The fact that he is in charge, means that he is the one who answers for the condition if there isn't perceived improvement in a reasonable period of time. As a result, he no longer has a job.
That's also not the issue.
The issue is whether a person's dislike of someone gives them the right to make insulting, disparaging remarks that are extreme, over the top hyperbole at best, and at worst are meritless, character assassinations.
I know we have freedom of speech. But when someone misuses it, they can be called out for it.
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 03:26 PM)mrbig Wrote: (06-13-2013 03:23 PM)Houston Owl Wrote: This development presents opportunities and challenges. We can't continue to complain about attendance and not attend the games and we can't continue to complain about lack of funding without writing some checks.
I'll write a check if they hire an alum. Just don't tell my wife. I want someone who bleeds blue & gray. I want someone who, if they don't succeed, I believe 100% they gave everything they had in the pursuit of success, because Rice athletics was one of the cornerstones of their success. If Michigan hired an alumni AD with no college athletics experience (he was CEO of domino's), Rice shouldn't be afraid to take the same route. Or hire a Rice alum with college athletic experience if that is the best choice. But if they can't find a qualified alum candidate, they just aren't looking.
THIS.
Please, no committees and hiring of this or that whoever to find our new AD. I can think of a couple of good guys right here at RICE....We need RICE people in this position, RICE alums only. Please, please don't blow this, powers that be! Hire from within the hedges.....
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 09:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Serious question if they're serious candidates. What are the real names of RiceDoc and RUOwls?
I'm not sure if either would be interested but Chris Canetti and David Tagliarino of the Houston Dynamo might be two solid local candidates.
I don't know who those guys are, but two guys I'd like to see get a strong look are Kent Rowald and Darrick Wells.... both mid-eighties grads.
I'm sure I'll leave off many things but Kent is an Chemical? Engineer and JD and managing partner of a patent law firm. Darrick is a Phi Beta Kappa grad, team captain and all conference WR, MD and hospital Medical Director. I suspect both were Academic All-Americans and if memory serves, Kent matriculated as a sophomore due to clep tests.
Those guys are Rice 100% and have serious administrative skills. They would have no trouble "relating" to players, professors, students or administrators. Further, they would (imo) blow away (intellectually) most of their peers and set an incredible example for and of our students and graduates. What they lack in specific college administration experience is (again, imo) very easily employable at lower levels. Let's be honest... Rice isn't going to put out many graduates who want to go into athletics administration straight out of college. Some yes, but not many, if for no other reason than that there are so many more profitable ventures like being a doctor or a lawyer. The modern ADs office is not 2-3 people as it was "back in the day" but instead a rather large team of professionals who all play a part. What they need is a credible leader and representative with a vision and direction whose primary function is to make Rice better, and not merely to get to retirement or their next gig..
(This post was last modified: 06-14-2013 12:04 AM by Hambone10.)
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 10:31 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote: (06-13-2013 03:26 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Great language in the press release too. Greenspan is the one removing himself; the impetus did not come from us. If we had actually fired him, then of course the logical reaction is that we waited until the racist remarks storm blew over before firing him. Wonder what his new opportunities are? Maybe go back to Indiana to claim his rightful post as the Grand Wizard of the KKK?
While I understand why many are happy about Rick Greenspan's decision, and am hopeful that we'll make a good hire, I think everyone here needs to remember that (1) losing a job is not fun or enjoyable for anyone, (2) just because you want the athletic department to take a different direction doesn't gives you the license to be insulting, degrading, defamatory or rude.
Everyone makes mistakes, and undoubtedly Greenspan made some too. I suspect that the nature of his mistakes are very likely NOT exactly what the perceptions of everyone on this board hold them to be.
In any event, posts like the one above are no better in any respect than the worst assumptions some here have made of Greenspan's behavior. They simply are using a different target, once that is seemingly safer because it is assumed that large groups dislike the target.
+1
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RE: DING DONG
ding dong is exactly what I thought when i saw MK's tweet. Best news in months.
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 09:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Serious question if they're serious candidates. What are the real names of RiceDoc and RUOwls?
(06-14-2013 12:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: ...two guys I'd like to see get a strong look are Kent Rowald and ...
No need to "out" Kent Rowald as RiceDoc. After all, he does have a link to his website as part of his Parliament profile!
I don't think ruowls has "outed" himself by saying his actual name. But it doesn't take much investigative work to figure it out. Its actually kind of fun to do the investigative work, I did it myself at one point. Did the same with nightowl because I was curious. Made me realize that it is kind of scary how much can be pieced together!
All I can say is that if we are somehow lucky enough to have RiceDoc and ruowls as the last 2 AD candidates, I want them to fight (literally) for the job. David and Goliath?
(06-14-2013 12:02 AM)RiceDad Wrote: (06-13-2013 10:31 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote: (06-13-2013 03:26 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Great language in the press release too. Greenspan is the one removing himself; the impetus did not come from us. If we had actually fired him, then of course the logical reaction is that we waited until the racist remarks storm blew over before firing him. Wonder what his new opportunities are? Maybe go back to Indiana to claim his rightful post as the Grand Wizard of the KKK?
While I understand why many are happy about Rick Greenspan's decision, and am hopeful that we'll make a good hire, I think everyone here needs to remember that (1) losing a job is not fun or enjoyable for anyone, (2) just because you want the athletic department to take a different direction doesn't gives you the license to be insulting, degrading, defamatory or rude.
Everyone makes mistakes, and undoubtedly Greenspan made some too. I suspect that the nature of his mistakes are very likely NOT exactly what the perceptions of everyone on this board hold them to be.
In any event, posts like the one above are no better in any respect than the worst assumptions some here have made of Greenspan's behavior. They simply are using a different target, once that is seemingly safer because it is assumed that large groups dislike the target.
+1
Obviously I agree, hence my post earlier noting that I wasn't trying to thumb my nose at anyone. I think Greenspan's decision to move on has the potential to really benefit Rice athletics. And I can celebrate the potential for Rice athletics without dancing on the graves of the dearly departed (so to speak). Let's put our energy toward looking forward instead of backward.
(This post was last modified: 06-14-2013 12:40 AM by mrbig.)
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 10:31 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote: (06-13-2013 03:26 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Great language in the press release too. Greenspan is the one removing himself; the impetus did not come from us. If we had actually fired him, then of course the logical reaction is that we waited until the racist remarks storm blew over before firing him. Wonder what his new opportunities are? Maybe go back to Indiana to claim his rightful post as the Grand Wizard of the KKK?
While I understand why many are happy about Rick Greenspan's decision, and am hopeful that we'll make a good hire, I think everyone here needs to remember that (1) losing a job is not fun or enjoyable for anyone, (2) just because you want the athletic department to take a different direction doesn't gives you the license to be insulting, degrading, defamatory or rude.
Everyone makes mistakes, and undoubtedly Greenspan made some too. I suspect that the nature of his mistakes are very likely NOT exactly what the perceptions of everyone on this board hold them to be.
In any event, posts like the one above are no better in any respect than the worst assumptions some here have made of Greenspan's behavior. They simply are using a different target, once that is seemingly safer because it is assumed that large groups dislike the target.
Thoughtful post.
Regardless of how you feel about Greenspan (and what frustrations about Rice athletics you have, which most likely influence your perception of him), at the end of the day, he is without a job - not easy for ANYONE to face. I turned to this thread to learn more details regarding the transition to a new AD and most of what I see is people rejoicing in the situation (as well as some completely inappropriate references as to Greenspan's future opportunities).
This past year has been a mixed bag for Rice athletics - a 0.500 regular season football record followed by a great win in the Armed Forces Bowl; a tough start to baseball but a great post-season run towards Omaha; an exceptional performance by the women's tennis and soccer teams but some challenges on the court for men's tennis, and, of course, the outstanding performance by Tamir Jackson amid the situation with the men's basketball program, etc. And don't forget some great fundraising efforts - the new tennis facility, start to the football stadium renovations, etc. This was done on Greenspan's watch, so he and his team deserves at least some credit for their efforts.
I'm not an AD, nor have I ever been one (nor would I ever want to be one!), but it appears to be a challenging job, especially when your teams are not winning and your facilities are not the best in the country. I wonder if Dodds of UT feels his job today is more challenging compared to 5-10 years ago (when Brown and Garrido were consistently posting winning seasons and bringing championship trophies back to Austin)?
It's time to turn the page and start the next chapter in Rice Athletics (we clearly have the momentum to do so). As athletic supporters we should be focusing on what's needed at Rice and what can/should work rather than what we don't need and what didn't work. We should keep the conversation positive so the search process can move forward and the future AD (who could be perusing this forum) can see how committed and supportive Rice fans truly are.
Go Owls!
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RE: DING DONG
(06-14-2013 12:34 AM)mrbig Wrote: (06-13-2013 09:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Serious question if they're serious candidates. What are the real names of RiceDoc and RUOwls?
(06-14-2013 12:01 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: ...two guys I'd like to see get a strong look are Kent Rowald and ...
No need to "out" Kent Rowald as RiceDoc. After all, he does have a link to his website as part of his Parliament profile!
I don't think ruowls has "outed" himself by saying his actual name. But it doesn't take much investigative work to figure it out. Its actually kind of fun to do the investigative work, I did it myself at one point. Did the same with nightowl because I was curious. Made me realize that it is kind of scary how much can be pieced together!
All I can say is that if we are somehow lucky enough to have RiceDoc and ruowls as the last 2 AD candidates, I want them to fight (literally) for the job.
Just to clarify....
ruowls = J---- D------ W----, MD
By the way, you can't touch what you can't catch. I'm pretty sure only one of us has ever caught anything on a football field.
(This post was last modified: 06-14-2013 01:31 AM by ruowls.)
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RE: DING DONG
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 10:10 PM)wiessguy Wrote: The mess he left will be an uphill challenge for the next hire. The new AD will need a ton of support to change course and get this ship moving in the right direction.
The mess he left is the fault of 45 years of pretty consistently repeated mismanagement. The "Rice way" is not a suitable model for a 21st century athletic program and has to end. The new AD must have the perception, courage, tenacity, and perseverance to end it. And the support of Leebron and the board, although my takeaway from the Todd/Chris experience is that those will be forthcoming if the AD has the necessary qualities to push the issue forcefully and competently.
I am happy to see him go, but the mess he leaves behind is not entirely his fault. I fault him more for not continuing what his predecessor started than I do for creating anything out of whole cloth.
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06-14-2013 05:26 AM |
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RE: DING DONG
(06-13-2013 11:10 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: While I do not particularly hate Greenspan, I do hold him personally responsible for the fact that we have not been to Omaha since 2008. Bobby got us there, and so did Chris.
I hope the next AD will do something about that.
I would encourage the people with plans to at least apply for the job, as the interview will give you an opportunity to plant the seed for your ideas with people who actually have some say.
To Owl69's list ( a very good list) I would add Hambone, whether he likes it or not, and Owl69 himself, again whether he likes it or not.
Second the motion for 69. Solid thinker who knows the landscape well.
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RE: DING DONG
(06-14-2013 07:03 AM)Ranger Wrote: (06-13-2013 11:10 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: To Owl69's list ( a very good list) I would add Hambone, whether he likes it or not, and Owl69 himself, again whether he likes it or not.
Second the motion for 69. Solid thinker who knows the landscape well.
Thank you for your confidence, but this job requires someone with more youthful energy and vigor than I bring to the table. We do not need another AD on the lip of the cup of retirement. I will actively support whoever gets the job and will do whatever I can as a resource in assisting to bring about the necessary transition.
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RE: DING DONG
(06-14-2013 12:34 AM)mrbig Wrote: All I can say is that if we are somehow lucky enough to have RiceDoc and ruowls as the last 2 AD candidates,
then we are finally on the right track.
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06-14-2013 07:15 AM |
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Yikes, let's get real, there's nobody on this board that should be considered for the position.
1- "Hiring within the hedges" is how any dysfunctional organization remains so, and functional organizations limit their growth. It's a generally poor strategy.
2- This job requires vision and ability to bring the people together to make it happen. You'd think if there was someone in/at Rice who could do this, that maybe they would have... started to do it at some glaring point of need these last 20 years?
3- These are pretty messed up times for Rice. There's no luxury of a lag period for someone coming from some regular day job to learn what it takes to manage an athletic department.
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