(06-24-2013 07:12 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 11:00 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 10:43 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 10:24 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 10:09 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  JMU is currently holding a bag and donations were at an all time high to the Duke Club in May. The vast majority of alums have NO idea what's going on with conference realignment.

The amount of money JMU is getting from the Duke Club is still less than standard and breaking this month's record will most likely be used by the FCS'rs to not move up. How much money has JMU left on the table by not moving sooner? This discussion has been talked about ad nauseam. JMU SHOULD have moved years ago, our transition period SHOULD be done.

I agree that big picture JMU should move to the FBS, but I don't know how much money has been left on the table by not in the last year or two. Expenses will go up dramatically and it's possible donations rise to wash out the cost, but I have my doubts that FBS would be profitable short or even intermediate term.

There seems to be such a disconnect between people who enjoyed their time at JMU (near 100% of my friends and acquaintances) and those who have/will donate to help keep the athletic department afloat in FBS. I've been laughed at before by friends when I told them that I have donated to JMU and reccomended that they do as well.

As have I. I've donated mostly to the academic side moreso than the Athletic. However, while watching games with former alums, many ask why JMU hasn't moved up. An issue was brought up to the Duke Club Associate Director at our last meeting that many of the current alums do not donate because they don't care about being FCS, "It's small time" he said.. When asked if he'd donate more if JMU moved up, his answer was yes with many others agreeing with him. That's the current JMU alum mindset and that will change IF JMU moves up like they should have done years ago.

Typical chicken/egg scenario. That's why some people feel that JMU should publicly state its position on its intention to move up. I don't know what's best at this point. I definitely don't care about pissing off anyone in the CAA.

and they will publicly state it.

but JMU is not a dictatorship. it's a public school that has people to answer too and faculty, who rightly or wrongly, do have a voice in the situation. And many faculty are simply not on board with athletics, period.

This is what the Carr report is for. To provide independent support for a recommendation to move up. That way it can appease those parties who are against the move and "sell" it to them easier. It won't change their minds, but at least for those who are ultimately making the decision (and it will be for FBS unless Carr says it's a bad move), then they have something to support it with.

The best timing for an announcement that we are moving up (hopefully that will be the case; I will be very disappointed if we stay in FCS) is late fall 2013, half way through the quiet period for the new fund raising campaign. This will allow our fall sports to compete for championships and it allows JMU to get it's share of the NCAA money left on the table by VCU, ODU and GMU as well as the money earned by JMU last year. Hopefully JMU football will be well on its way to the playoffs when the announcement is made. This gives the Duke Club time to line up donors with 7 year pledges that begin on 7/1/14.

(06-25-2013 08:01 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  The best timing for an announcement that we are moving up (hopefully that will be the case; I will be very disappointed if we stay in FCS) is late fall 2013, half way through the quiet period for the new fund raising campaign. This will allow our fall sports to compete for championships and it allows JMU to get it's share of the NCAA money left on the table by VCU, ODU and GMU as well as the money earned by JMU last year. Hopefully JMU football will be well on its way to the playoffs when the announcement is made. This gives the Duke Club time to line up donors with 7 year pledges that begin on 7/1/14.

I in no way mean to disparage hotham, but I don't understand this affinity for waiting past July 1. I look at ODU and how they went about their announcement and have a lot of respect for them. They stepped up as if they have a pair, err a plan and vision, and announced last May. The $$ and support flowed in and the excitement has not waned. Maybe the admin of our beloved school is simply a microcosm of our alumni, freaking scared and timid and worried too much about the opportunity costs. So what, we don't play for some fall CAA championships because we are moving on and up to a higher level of exposure/competition etc. For crying out loud, we deserve everything we get because we have to be the biggest bunch of wusses (many of the posters on the board excluded) out there. Our admin is perfect for us- geez. Rant over.

I would wait absolutely no longer than it takes to be sure the CAA doesn't stab us. That might mean waiting until the check has cleared the bank from what we are due as of July 1.

(06-25-2013 08:24 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  I would wait absolutely no longer than it takes to be sure the CAA doesn't stab us. That might mean waiting until the check has cleared the bank from what we are due as of July 1.

yeah, I get that. but in the day of electronic transfers; it should not take but a few seconds to make sure that dough is safe and sound.

(06-25-2013 08:17 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:01 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  The best timing for an announcement that we are moving up (hopefully that will be the case; I will be very disappointed if we stay in FCS) is late fall 2013, half way through the quiet period for the new fund raising campaign. This will allow our fall sports to compete for championships and it allows JMU to get it's share of the NCAA money left on the table by VCU, ODU and GMU as well as the money earned by JMU last year. Hopefully JMU football will be well on its way to the playoffs when the announcement is made. This gives the Duke Club time to line up donors with 7 year pledges that begin on 7/1/14.

I in no way mean to disparage hotham, but I don't understand this affinity for waiting past July 1. I look at ODU and how they went about their announcement and have a lot of respect for them. They stepped up as if they have a pair, err a plan and vision, and announced last May. The $$ and support flowed in and the excitement has not waned. Maybe the admin of our beloved school is simply a microcosm of our alumni, freaking scared and timid and worried too much about the opportunity costs. So what, we don't play for some fall CAA championships because we are moving on and up to a higher level of exposure/competition etc. For crying out loud, we deserve everything we get because we have to be the biggest bunch of wusses (many of the posters on the board excluded) out there. Our admin is perfect for us- geez. Rant over.

ODU was in a different spot in their history. We were in limbo for 18 months when Pres. Rose was a lame duck. ODU did not have the faculty issues that JMU had and still has. There are many more moving parts at JMU with attracting and retaining faculty so we need to slow walk this and build some coalitions on the academic side of the house. I applaud ODU for making their move but it's somewhat apples and oranges.

When July 1 rolls around, I hope someone from the DNR finds out how much money we actually received this year from the CAA.

(06-25-2013 08:37 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:17 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:01 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  The best timing for an announcement that we are moving up (hopefully that will be the case; I will be very disappointed if we stay in FCS) is late fall 2013, half way through the quiet period for the new fund raising campaign. This will allow our fall sports to compete for championships and it allows JMU to get it's share of the NCAA money left on the table by VCU, ODU and GMU as well as the money earned by JMU last year. Hopefully JMU football will be well on its way to the playoffs when the announcement is made. This gives the Duke Club time to line up donors with 7 year pledges that begin on 7/1/14.

I in no way mean to disparage hotham, but I don't understand this affinity for waiting past July 1. I look at ODU and how they went about their announcement and have a lot of respect for them. They stepped up as if they have a pair, err a plan and vision, and announced last May. The $$ and support flowed in and the excitement has not waned. Maybe the admin of our beloved school is simply a microcosm of our alumni, freaking scared and timid and worried too much about the opportunity costs. So what, we don't play for some fall CAA championships because we are moving on and up to a higher level of exposure/competition etc. For crying out loud, we deserve everything we get because we have to be the biggest bunch of wusses (many of the posters on the board excluded) out there. Our admin is perfect for us- geez. Rant over.

ODU was in a different spot in their history. We were in limbo for 18 months when Pres. Rose was a lame duck. ODU did not have the faculty issues that JMU had and still has. There are many more moving parts at JMU with attracting and retaining faculty so we need to slow walk this and build some coalitions on the academic side of the house. I applaud ODU for making their move but it's somewhat apples and oranges.

You make some good points; the circumstances are not identical. And I believe that most of us would admit that we do not know all of the issues and details that need to be worked out. But we sit here with a great school, good history, 70 m in BFS, competitive teams, and other schools with less going for them seem to move up. I don't know; it's frustrating. It always seems that someone has another reason to wait longer, which makes me think that we are right where we belong. We will remain here, unfortunately. And to make it worse, I have to face the Ole Dirty fans everyday.

(06-25-2013 08:45 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:37 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:17 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:01 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  The best timing for an announcement that we are moving up (hopefully that will be the case; I will be very disappointed if we stay in FCS) is late fall 2013, half way through the quiet period for the new fund raising campaign. This will allow our fall sports to compete for championships and it allows JMU to get it's share of the NCAA money left on the table by VCU, ODU and GMU as well as the money earned by JMU last year. Hopefully JMU football will be well on its way to the playoffs when the announcement is made. This gives the Duke Club time to line up donors with 7 year pledges that begin on 7/1/14.

I in no way mean to disparage hotham, but I don't understand this affinity for waiting past July 1. I look at ODU and how they went about their announcement and have a lot of respect for them. They stepped up as if they have a pair, err a plan and vision, and announced last May. The $$ and support flowed in and the excitement has not waned. Maybe the admin of our beloved school is simply a microcosm of our alumni, freaking scared and timid and worried too much about the opportunity costs. So what, we don't play for some fall CAA championships because we are moving on and up to a higher level of exposure/competition etc. For crying out loud, we deserve everything we get because we have to be the biggest bunch of wusses (many of the posters on the board excluded) out there. Our admin is perfect for us- geez. Rant over.

ODU was in a different spot in their history. We were in limbo for 18 months when Pres. Rose was a lame duck. ODU did not have the faculty issues that JMU had and still has. There are many more moving parts at JMU with attracting and retaining faculty so we need to slow walk this and build some coalitions on the academic side of the house. I applaud ODU for making their move but it's somewhat apples and oranges.

You make some good points; the circumstances are not identical. And I believe that most of us would admit that we do not know all of the issues and details that need to be worked out. But we sit here with a great school, good history, 70 m in BFS, competitive teams, and other schools with less going for them seem to move up. I don't know; it's frustrating. It always seems that someone has another reason to wait longer, which makes me think that we are right where we belong. We will remain here, unfortunately. And to make it worse, I have to face the Ole Dirty fans everyday.

I agree. JMU made a mistake at the BOV level by failing to have an adequate succession plan in place for Dr. Rose. There was also a failure to lead. The BOV should be forcing the President to be a visionary and if the President lacks vision then the BOV needs to push the vision or replace the President. We are now suffering on the athletic and academic sides of our house. President Alger has vision and he's made great strides in a year. He has not moved quickly enough for some people but he has a number of camps to persuade and he's doing it. We are pointed in the right direction and I believe we will be very good soon on both sides of our house. If more time is needed to build coalitions, I can wait. However, if my patience is rewarded with staying status quo in academics and athletics, I will need to re-evaluate my level of involvement and support.

What Alger has working against him is tenure. Even Carrier wouldn't have been able to turn this around so quickly. I know we need to give this some time... I'm just afraid the doors are closing faster than we're ready to step through.

(06-25-2013 08:39 PM)olddawg Wrote:  When July 1 rolls around, I hope someone from the DNR finds out how much money we actually received this year from the CAA.

Even with exit and entry fees and NCAA tournament money left on the table by VCU, Old Dominion and Mason, Yeager said that won't create windfalls for remaining members. The revenue distribution formula remains the same, and the league has set aside large sums for various projects and platforms that will increase exposure to all members.


http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1...-76224077/

(06-25-2013 09:27 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:39 PM)olddawg Wrote:  When July 1 rolls around, I hope someone from the DNR finds out how much money we actually received this year from the CAA.

Even with exit and entry fees and NCAA tournament money left on the table by VCU, Old Dominion and Mason, Yeager said that won't create windfalls for remaining members. The revenue distribution formula remains the same, and the league has set aside large sums for various projects and platforms that will increase exposure to all members.


http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1...-76224077/

I stand corrected on the money I thought all teams would be getting based on VCU, ODU and GMU leaving. We should hang tight to get our large payout from our own NCAA appearance and our normal share of the rest of the money. We can use this money to pay our exit fee. If waiting a few months to get $1M plus of the NCAA money, we should wait. We won't miss out on getting millions in donations by waiting to announce. Let's maximize our cash position.

(06-25-2013 08:57 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:45 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:37 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:17 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:01 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  The best timing for an announcement that we are moving up (hopefully that will be the case; I will be very disappointed if we stay in FCS) is late fall 2013, half way through the quiet period for the new fund raising campaign. This will allow our fall sports to compete for championships and it allows JMU to get it's share of the NCAA money left on the table by VCU, ODU and GMU as well as the money earned by JMU last year. Hopefully JMU football will be well on its way to the playoffs when the announcement is made. This gives the Duke Club time to line up donors with 7 year pledges that begin on 7/1/14.

I in no way mean to disparage hotham, but I don't understand this affinity for waiting past July 1. I look at ODU and how they went about their announcement and have a lot of respect for them. They stepped up as if they have a pair, err a plan and vision, and announced last May. The $$ and support flowed in and the excitement has not waned. Maybe the admin of our beloved school is simply a microcosm of our alumni, freaking scared and timid and worried too much about the opportunity costs. So what, we don't play for some fall CAA championships because we are moving on and up to a higher level of exposure/competition etc. For crying out loud, we deserve everything we get because we have to be the biggest bunch of wusses (many of the posters on the board excluded) out there. Our admin is perfect for us- geez. Rant over.

ODU was in a different spot in their history. We were in limbo for 18 months when Pres. Rose was a lame duck. ODU did not have the faculty issues that JMU had and still has. There are many more moving parts at JMU with attracting and retaining faculty so we need to slow walk this and build some coalitions on the academic side of the house. I applaud ODU for making their move but it's somewhat apples and oranges.

You make some good points; the circumstances are not identical. And I believe that most of us would admit that we do not know all of the issues and details that need to be worked out. But we sit here with a great school, good history, 70 m in BFS, competitive teams, and other schools with less going for them seem to move up. I don't know; it's frustrating. It always seems that someone has another reason to wait longer, which makes me think that we are right where we belong. We will remain here, unfortunately. And to make it worse, I have to face the Ole Dirty fans everyday.

I agree. JMU made a mistake at the BOV level by failing to have an adequate succession plan in place for Dr. Rose. There was also a failure to lead. The BOV should be forcing the President to be a visionary and if the President lacks vision then the BOV needs to push the vision or replace the President. We are now suffering on the athletic and academic sides of our house. President Alger has vision and he's made great strides in a year. He

100% agree on the bold type and yet there is no accountability and never will be accountability at JMU unless Alger shows everybody who makes the decisions on campus, kind of like wearing a name tag and cashing a paycheck that says president. Easy for Alger, hell no but at some point he must show us some authoritative decision making.

(06-26-2013 08:04 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:57 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:45 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:37 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:17 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I in no way mean to disparage hotham, but I don't understand this affinity for waiting past July 1. I look at ODU and how they went about their announcement and have a lot of respect for them. They stepped up as if they have a pair, err a plan and vision, and announced last May. The $$ and support flowed in and the excitement has not waned. Maybe the admin of our beloved school is simply a microcosm of our alumni, freaking scared and timid and worried too much about the opportunity costs. So what, we don't play for some fall CAA championships because we are moving on and up to a higher level of exposure/competition etc. For crying out loud, we deserve everything we get because we have to be the biggest bunch of wusses (many of the posters on the board excluded) out there. Our admin is perfect for us- geez. Rant over.

ODU was in a different spot in their history. We were in limbo for 18 months when Pres. Rose was a lame duck. ODU did not have the faculty issues that JMU had and still has. There are many more moving parts at JMU with attracting and retaining faculty so we need to slow walk this and build some coalitions on the academic side of the house. I applaud ODU for making their move but it's somewhat apples and oranges.

You make some good points; the circumstances are not identical. And I believe that most of us would admit that we do not know all of the issues and details that need to be worked out. But we sit here with a great school, good history, 70 m in BFS, competitive teams, and other schools with less going for them seem to move up. I don't know; it's frustrating. It always seems that someone has another reason to wait longer, which makes me think that we are right where we belong. We will remain here, unfortunately. And to make it worse, I have to face the Ole Dirty fans everyday.

I agree. JMU made a mistake at the BOV level by failing to have an adequate succession plan in place for Dr. Rose. There was also a failure to lead. The BOV should be forcing the President to be a visionary and if the President lacks vision then the BOV needs to push the vision or replace the President. We are now suffering on the athletic and academic sides of our house. President Alger has vision and he's made great strides in a year. He

100% agree on the bold type and yet there is no accountability and never will be accountability at JMU unless Alger shows everybody who makes the decisions on campus, kind of like wearing a name tag and cashing a paycheck that says president. Easy for Alger, hell no but at some point he must show us some authoritative decision making.

The BOV at JMU is stale....too many old bloods on there with NO accountability. The BOV needs to stop being a place for the Governor's buddies. How long has Funkhouser been on the Board? Forbes has kicked in a ton of $$$, but is basically clueless (according to some on here). Don Rainey is one of the few who SHOULD be on the Board.