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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
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(06-04-2013 09:39 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  [Image: ACC-N-S_zps193b7cce.jpg]
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that setup other than the fact UVA will poop bricks and throw a tantrum. Possibly VT, too.
I doubt VT argues. Most years that game amounts to one automatic win already on their schedule...


Can't have Duke and Wake together.....Cardinal sin...By far the two smallest fanbases/support in the conference.
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 07:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 09:39 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  [Image: ACC-N-S_zps193b7cce.jpg]
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that setup other than the fact UVA will poop bricks and throw a tantrum. Possibly VT, too.
I doubt VT argues. Most years that game amounts to one automatic win already on their schedule...


Can't have Duke and Wake together.....Cardinal sin...By far the two smallest fanbases/support in the conference.

But you already have the two largest fanbases in the same division at present. Is that not the same principle?

EDIT: For the record, I'm not saying they should be in separate divisions. I'm just pointing out it's stupid to say the two smallest must be in separate divisions but then put the two largest in the same division anyways.
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
How about Mid-Atlantic vs. Metro:

UVA------------Pitt
VT-------------FSU
Wake----------BC
UNC-----------Miami
NCSU----------UL
Duke----------SU
Clemson------GT
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 10:40 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 09:39 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  [Image: ACC-N-S_zps193b7cce.jpg]
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that setup other than the fact UVA will poop bricks and throw a tantrum. Possibly VT, too.
I doubt VT argues. Most years that game amounts to one automatic win already on their schedule...


Can't have Duke and Wake together.....Cardinal sin...By far the two smallest fanbases/support in the conference.

But you already have the two largest fanbases in the same division at present. Is that not the same principle?

No. That's okay. For the ACC that's a good thing because they only play each other once. Kinda like LSU and Alabama. If they were on opposite sides, the chances are they'd play twice and hurts their chances at the playoffs or other major bowls.
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 07:26 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Can't make everyone happy. All teams have something to complain about. You think NC State and Duke like playing each other once every 6 years and they are 20 miles apart? UNC used to play Clemson and FSU every year....... no longer. This is the downside of expansion. Just go along for the ride.....

It's as if you failed to grasp anything I said at all.

FSU is the only school that doesn't face it's ~nearest conference foe each year. On top of that, FSU has only faced them (GT) twice since expansion, while facing every other team in the Coastal at least thrice, and while facing Duke and UVA 6 and 5 times, respectively.

How does that make sense?

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And no, I doubt very much NC State gives a crap about not playing Duke. Duke doesn't give a crap about football so I'm not sure they care either.

NC State and Duke have played against each other 81 times..from 1924 to 2003--every year. You don't think they care about that? They absolutely care. The freakin schools are 20 miles apart. UNC is a little over an hour from Wake Forest and they play them once every six years after playing over 100 times. FSU and GT have only played 23 times. Cry me a river.

You keep twisting my comments to fit your retort.

This isn't about "rivalries". This is about playing your closest conference foe more often than twice in the last 9 years and more often than once in a 12-year time-span.

NC State still plays UNC, whom I'm sure they care about MUCH more than nobody-cares-about Duke. Switch Duke to the Atlantic and Wake to the Coastal if that will make UNC and Wake happy. I couldn't care less. But still, Wake plays Duke and NC State yearly who are just as close as UNC and whom they've been playing for quite some time, too.

It's hardly the same situation.

It wouldn't be as big of an issue if FSU didn't face Duke 6 times, UVA 5 times and BC (the furthest possible ACC team) 8 times in the same span they faced GT only twice. FSU faced EVERY OTHER ACC school more than it faced the ACC school whose campus is closest to Tallahassee.

Are you truly not seeing the issue?
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 10:50 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:26 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Can't make everyone happy. All teams have something to complain about. You think NC State and Duke like playing each other once every 6 years and they are 20 miles apart? UNC used to play Clemson and FSU every year....... no longer. This is the downside of expansion. Just go along for the ride.....

It's as if you failed to grasp anything I said at all.

FSU is the only school that doesn't face it's ~nearest conference foe each year. On top of that, FSU has only faced them (GT) twice since expansion, while facing every other team in the Coastal at least thrice, and while facing Duke and UVA 6 and 5 times, respectively.

How does that make sense?

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And no, I doubt very much NC State gives a crap about not playing Duke. Duke doesn't give a crap about football so I'm not sure they care either.

NC State and Duke have played against each other 81 times..from 1924 to 2003--every year. You don't think they care about that? They absolutely care. The freakin schools are 20 miles apart. UNC is a little over an hour from Wake Forest and they play them once every six years after playing over 100 times. FSU and GT have only played 23 times. Cry me a river.

You keep twisting my comments to fit your retort.

This isn't about "rivalries". This is about playing your closest conference foe more often than twice in the last 9 years and more often than once in a 12-year time-span.

NC State still plays UNC, whom I'm sure they care about MUCH more than nobody-cares-about Duke. Switch Duke to the Atlantic and Wake to the Coastal if that will make UNC and Wake happy. I couldn't care less. But still, Wake plays Duke and NC State yearly who are just as close as UNC and whom they've been playing for quite some time, too.

It's hardly the same situation.

It wouldn't be as big of an issue if FSU didn't face Duke 6 times, UVA 5 times and BC (the furthest possible ACC team) 8 times in the same span they faced GT only twice. FSU faced EVERY OTHER ACC school more than it faced the ACC school who's campus is closest to Tallahassee.

Are you truly not seeing the issue?

I do see your issue but you should understand you're not the only one that has a problem. Duke and State most definitely want to play each other. UNC should be playing Wake, but they're not.

But you will not be alone in your quest. Louisville will have the same issue when they show up.
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 10:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 10:40 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 07:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
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(06-06-2013 07:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that setup other than the fact UVA will poop bricks and throw a tantrum. Possibly VT, too.
I doubt VT argues. Most years that game amounts to one automatic win already on their schedule...


Can't have Duke and Wake together.....Cardinal sin...By far the two smallest fanbases/support in the conference.

But you already have the two largest fanbases in the same division at present. Is that not the same principle?

No. That's okay. For the ACC that's a good thing because they only play each other once. Kinda like LSU and Alabama. If they were on opposite sides, the chances are they'd play twice and hurts their chances at the playoffs or other major bowls.

Huh? LSU and Alabama?

What about UGA, UT and UF in the other division?
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 10:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  How about Mid-Atlantic vs. Metro:

UVA------------Pitt
VT-------------FSU
Wake----------BC
UNC-----------Miami
NCSU----------UL
Duke----------SU
Clemson------GT

No thanks. Clemson would rather be in the metro than be stuck with that conference schedule every year.
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(06-06-2013 10:55 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I do see your issue but you should understand you're not the only one that has a problem.

No, you don't.
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 10:55 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 10:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
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(06-06-2013 07:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I doubt VT argues. Most years that game amounts to one automatic win already on their schedule...


Can't have Duke and Wake together.....Cardinal sin...By far the two smallest fanbases/support in the conference.

But you already have the two largest fanbases in the same division at present. Is that not the same principle?

No. That's okay. For the ACC that's a good thing because they only play each other once. Kinda like LSU and Alabama. If they were on opposite sides, the chances are they'd play twice and hurts their chances at the playoffs or other major bowls.

Huh? LSU and Alabama?

What about UGA, UT and UF in the other division?

Stanford and Oregon are in the same division in the Pac 12 and right now they are the two best teams.

Ohio State and Michigan are in the same division in the B1G

Clemson and FSU are in the same division in the ACC

When the Big 12 had divisions Texas and Oklahoma were in the same one.

It keeps your two best teams from playing each other a second time in a conference championship game.
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 10:56 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 10:55 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I do see your issue but you should understand you're not the only one that has a problem.

No, you don't.

Check who Louisville's closest conference mate is and see if they are playing them every year.
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RE: ACC Crossover Opponents through 2024 set (LINK)
(06-06-2013 10:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 10:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  How about Mid-Atlantic vs. Metro:

UVA------------Pitt
VT-------------FSU
Wake----------BC
UNC-----------Miami
NCSU----------UL
Duke----------SU
Clemson------GT

No thanks. Clemson would rather be in the metro than be stuck with that conference schedule every year.

For FSU that's not really a significantly better schedule, either. We'd essentially swap Clemson for VT, and NC State/Wake for GT/Pitt. We'd play BC, UM, UL and SU regardless.

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If you switch Clemson and UL you get the "donut and the hole" divisions like someone proposed earlier.

None of the NC or VA schools can complain about not facing each other but they might complain about not playing in Florida. I would be fine with the donut divisions. I would be fine with facing all of Pitt, Cuse and BC every year if FSU also faced Clemson, GT and Miami every year. I don't care much about 5 of the 6 NC/VA schools so that's no loss and FSU didn't face VT often anyways as is.

I'd do away with permanent crossovers at that point. You'd have 6 divisional games and 2 rotaters. (The donut division poster may have said that as well.)
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VT doesn't play their closest and plays the two farthest annually. FSU isn't unique in that fact, they are only unique in how much they complain about it.
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(06-06-2013 11:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 10:56 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(06-06-2013 10:55 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I do see your issue but you should understand you're not the only one that has a problem.

No, you don't.

Check who Louisville's closest conference mate is and see if they are playing them every year.

I've mentioned this already. UL is just an outlier because they are taking UMD's spot...whose closest conferencce mate was...UVA, whom they played yearly.

They are just grateful to be leaving the AAC, though. They would play a schedule of only Duke and UVA, 4 times apiece, if they were told to.

Also, Wake, Clemson and UVA are only about an hour further from UL than VT and Pitt are. Doesn't make much difference either way for them.
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(06-06-2013 11:13 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  VT doesn't play their closest and plays the two farthest annually. FSU isn't unique in that fact, they are only unique in how much they complain about it.

Get back to me when Jacksonville becomes part of south Florida.

Wake is 30 minutes closer than UVA. And UNC and Duke are both pretty close as well.

You guys don't get it, and like it or not, you all enjoy whining about FSU fans' legitimate complaints, otherwise you wouldn't always be doing it.
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(06-04-2013 03:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Only annual cross division opponents that don't really fit together are UVA-Louisville, but Louisville was going to be an awkward fit no matter who they were paired with.
I think they fit pretty well...
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(06-06-2013 11:13 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  VT doesn't play their closest and plays the two farthest annually. FSU isn't unique in that fact, they are only unique in how much they complain about it.

So you want Miami taken off your schedule then? We'd be happy to sub them for Wake Forest if that makes you guys happy.

Takes away your furthest trip and gives you your shortest trip. Solves your problem right?

Guessing you don't want that though. That's a heck of a lot different than throwing Syracuse and BC at FSU. But hey keep acting like the gripes are the same. You aren't fooling anybody.

Also what happened to the zipper divisions? How does it makes sense for FSU to have to take on both Syracuse and BC every year while Va Tech/UVA are both in the Coastal?

Pitt should have been added to the Atlantic to start. Having Maryland or Louisville in another spot in the division makes no difference in that.
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Louisville has history with UVa dating back to the Ralph Sampson era. Also 3 Louisville Ballard and one Kentucky player were on UVa's final four team. Good school.
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(06-04-2013 06:02 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  This is the problem with 14 team conferences. There will be nonconference opponents you play more often than conference opponents.

This is odd. Duke and NC State are really close geographically; however, with the new conference setup, those two are only scheduled to play twice over the next 12 years. Doesn't seem like a conference mate to me.
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For a conference with such unity, you guys sure are spending a lot of time arguing about scheduling...
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