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RE: D2 Schools Reclassifying?
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(06-07-2013 07:41 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  the majority of the one DI sport schools are hockey schools. i guess $$ holds them back but curious that more dont have their other sports (not fb) in D1
5 of 12 is a plurality (3 of 7 scholarship), not a majority.
Soccer 2 of 12 (2 of 7 scholarship)
Lacrosse 2 of 12 (1 of 7 scholarship)
Men's Volleyball 1 of 12 (1 of 7 scholarship)
Wrestling 1 of 12 (0 of 7 scholarship)
MIT does men and women's rowing, but men's rowing is not an NCAA sport.

(06-07-2013 08:03 PM)lmckay92 Wrote:  Hockey is really expensive. With small schools like Merrimack, it may just be they can't afford (or don't want to pay for) the other D1 sports when they only care about hockey.
If they don't think they can be competitive some appealing Div1 football or basketball conference, then there's not a lot of point in trying to upgrade. And since most hockey conferences are single-sport conferences, there's less incentive to upgrade to play against their conference opponents in other sports.
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(06-08-2013 03:18 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 07:41 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  the majority of the one DI sport schools are hockey schools. i guess $$ holds them back but curious that more dont have their other sports (not fb) in D1
5 of 12 is a plurality (3 of 7 scholarship), not a majority.
Soccer 2 of 12 (2 of 7 scholarship)
Lacrosse 2 of 12 (1 of 7 scholarship)
Men's Volleyball 1 of 12 (1 of 7 scholarship)
Wrestling 1 of 12 (0 of 7 scholarship)
MIT does men and women's rowing, but men's rowing is not an NCAA sport.

(06-07-2013 08:03 PM)lmckay92 Wrote:  Hockey is really expensive. With small schools like Merrimack, it may just be they can't afford (or don't want to pay for) the other D1 sports when they only care about hockey.
If they don't think they can be competitive some appealing Div1 football or basketball conference, then there's not a lot of point in trying to upgrade. And since most hockey conferences are single-sport conferences, there's less incentive to upgrade to play against their conference opponents in other sports.

What are you talking about? Where did you get these numbers? There are more than 12 schools that sponsor mens hockey alone without another div 1 sport. There are 23 hockey only schools. I doubt there are 24 "other" schools that sponsor 1 sport, any sport combined (baseball, lax etc). There are 3 schools not 2 that offer mens lax as their only div 1 sport: Hopkins,Bellarimine and Hobart
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D2 Schools Reclassifying?
There's some smoke about changing the grace period from 2 years to 4 years for Division I conferences that fall below the automatic bid criteria-presumably to match the Division II transition. This could be good news for the Summit and Atlantic Sun, and bad news for Division II conferences.
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RE: D2 Schools Reclassifying?
(06-09-2013 10:03 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  
(06-08-2013 03:18 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 07:41 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  the majority of the one DI sport schools are hockey schools. i guess $$ holds them back but curious that more dont have their other sports (not fb) in D1
5 of 12 is a plurality (3 of 7 scholarship), not a majority.
Soccer 2 of 12 (2 of 7 scholarship)
Lacrosse 2 of 12 (1 of 7 scholarship)
Men's Volleyball 1 of 12 (1 of 7 scholarship)
Wrestling 1 of 12 (0 of 7 scholarship)
MIT does men and women's rowing, but men's rowing is not an NCAA sport.

(06-07-2013 08:03 PM)lmckay92 Wrote:  Hockey is really expensive. With small schools like Merrimack, it may just be they can't afford (or don't want to pay for) the other D1 sports when they only care about hockey.
If they don't think they can be competitive some appealing Div1 football or basketball conference, then there's not a lot of point in trying to upgrade. And since most hockey conferences are single-sport conferences, there's less incentive to upgrade to play against their conference opponents in other sports.

What are you talking about? Where did you get these numbers? There are more than 12 schools that sponsor mens hockey alone without another div 1 sport. There are 23 hockey only schools. I doubt there are 24 "other" schools that sponsor 1 sport, any sport combined (baseball, lax etc). There are 3 schools not 2 that offer mens lax as their only div 1 sport: Hopkins,Bellarimine and Hobart

Seems like the 12 could be DIII schools only. Every DII schools offers scholarships.

DII schools don't have their own hockey championship so their choices are essentially play at the DI level with more local fan interest and revenue or play at the club level. Also, many DII schools are in hockey country with deep histtorical collegiate roots before Divisions were strictly mandated:: New England, upstate NY, upper Michigan, and Minnesota.
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(06-09-2013 12:28 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  There's some smoke about changing the grace period from 2 years to 4 years for Division I conferences that fall below the automatic bid criteria-presumably to match the Division II transition. This could be good news for the Summit and Atlantic Sun, and bad news for Division II conferences.

A four year grace period would be fair for DII schools that are forced to pay 1.4 million to move up but could have their conference status pulled out from under them. The DIi transition time (4 years) and the conference grace period should be identical, otherwise a conference invite is meaningless.
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(06-09-2013 10:03 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  What are you talking about? Where did you get these numbers?
Those are the 12 Division Three (non-scholarship athletics) schools that sponsor a Division 1 sport, cross division. Seven (7) of them can offer scholarships in their Div1 sport, since they were grandfathered into the rules in the big Division Three rules cleanup in the middle of the last decade.

There is no Division Two Hockey Championship, so under NCAA rules for sports without a championship in a division, the Division One NCAA Men's Ice Hockey championship is in fact a combined Division One / Division Two championship. Every Division Two school playing NCAA ice hockey will be playing "Division One" Ice Hockey. That's the same as Men's volleyball or women's ice hockey. There has to be a certain number of schools in a sport in a division for the NCAA to sponsor a championship for that division. Luckily for the existing Division Two ice hockey schools, ice hockey is an expensive sport to get started, and with the travel and inability to use multi-sport gyms or fields for practice a fairly expansive sport to run, so there's little risk that enough fellow Division Two schools would start up an ice hockey program to force them into a separate Division Two ice hockey championship.

The schools actually playing cross-division are the Division 3 schools playing in Division 1 Ice Hockey: Clarkson, Colorado and RPI with scholarship programs; Rochester and Union College have non-scholarship programs.

The other eight multi-division sports are across all three divisions: men and women's gymanstics, men and women's water polo, women's bowling, and co-ed fencing, rifle, and skiiing.
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(06-09-2013 01:25 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-09-2013 10:03 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  What are you talking about? Where did you get these numbers?
Those are the 12 Division Three (non-scholarship athletics) schools that sponsor a Division 1 sport, cross division. Seven (7) of them can offer scholarships in their Div1 sport, since they were grandfathered into the rules in the big Division Three rules cleanup in the middle of the last decade.

There is no Division Two Hockey Championship, so under NCAA rules for sports without a championship in a division, the Division One NCAA Men's Ice Hockey championship is in fact a combined Division One / Division Two championship. Every Division Two school playing NCAA ice hockey will be playing "Division One" Ice Hockey. That's the same as Men's volleyball or women's ice hockey. There has to be a certain number of schools in a sport in a division for the NCAA to sponsor a championship for that division. Luckily for the existing Division Two ice hockey schools, ice hockey is an expensive sport to get started, and with the travel and inability to use multi-sport gyms or fields for practice a fairly expansive sport to run, so there's little risk that enough fellow Division Two schools would start up an ice hockey program to force them into a separate Division Two ice hockey championship.

The schools actually playing cross-division are the Division 3 schools playing in Division 1 Ice Hockey: Clarkson, Colorado and RPI with scholarship programs; Rochester and Union College have non-scholarship programs.

The other eight multi-division sports are across all three divisions: men and women's gymanstics, men and women's water polo, women's bowling, and co-ed fencing, rifle, and skiiing.

ok, got it. i was counting all schools div II AND III that only have one dI PROGRAM
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(06-04-2013 09:10 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  why hasnt minnesota state or minnesota duluth gone D- I yet?
or bellarmine? merrimack?

Moving from D2 football to FCS would be an expensive upgrade. Duluth has won a D2 title but draws alot more for Hockey where all D1 & D2 programs(in other sports) compete in D1. Upgrading all the other sports would make the move even more expensive.
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(06-09-2013 10:27 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 09:10 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  why hasnt minnesota state or minnesota duluth gone D- I yet?
or bellarmine? merrimack?

Moving from D2 football to FCS would be an expensive upgrade. Duluth has won a D2 title but draws alot more for Hockey where all D1 & D2 programs(in other sports) compete in D1. Upgrading all the other sports would make the move even more expensive.
If it didn't play football, it might be easier, since meeting the requirements for the non-football subdivision of Division 1 is a lot cheaper. Men and women's BBall and ice hockey, it would only need one more team sport each, plus enough sports to make the men and women minimum number of sports, and sports in all three season, and you're set. Both bball and ice hockey are winter season sports, so men and women's cross country and outdoor track and field give you three seasons for both men and women right there. Play volleyball in the BBall arena, you've got your women's team sport in the fall and your men's team sport in the spring.

But football costs money. If you have an Ivy League endowment and give all students you admit sufficient scholarship aid to afford to go to school, you can run your FCS football team on a non-scholarship basis without embarrassing yourself and your conference, but few schools are so lucky.
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